China or Taiwan

Taiwan Independence

  • Go China

    Votes: 8 15.1%

  • Go Taiwan

    Votes: 37 69.8%

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    Votes: 8 15.1%
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JellyWorld

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So do you support Taiwan's independence or do you think it should be part of China?
 
Taiwan should be free as the general populace like. Modern China really doesn't have a legitimate claim to Taiwan, really.
 
Kangy said:
Taiwan should be free as the general populace like. Modern China really doesn't have a legitimate claim to Taiwan, really.
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agreed.
 
Honestly, I don't really think that this topic is going to say anything interesting. I'll be suprised if someone does actually vote for China, really.
 
And there's me thinking this would be a topic on which country makes the best products for the western world :p
 
To be more fair (and perhaps interesting), do you have a more objective article than a PhD asking a lot of rhetorical and slanted questions?
 
I have mixed feelings over the entire subject:
I support Taiwan's movement for independence however I know that the moment they announce their cessession, I know that China is going to overwhelm them. Even though the US seems like it would promise to protect Taiwan, we know it is highly unlikely the US will send troops.

So here's hoping that it cools down over there.:cheers:
 
Taiwan independence is impossible. Resistance to the People's Republic of China is futile.

LONG LIVE COMMUNJISM



Actually, One China, two countries or whatevar the policy is called is perfect for Taiwan.

C'mon, this is from a country who still thinks it owns all of the Chinese Continental Territory and is feeling the increasing pressure. I give it 50 years until the US back down on their promises.
 
Taiwan should be free without a doubt.

China doesn't need them anyways...I mean god damn...their country is huge and has a billion people.
 
but for the Communist regime to allow Taiwan to escape its grasp would be embarassing. They just tolerate it because they're just "one more China" instead of an independent country and the USA has the whole protection treaty with them.
 
No comment. But I think Sprafa has hit the nail on the head. Our Americanised minds are too out of tune with the situation, a lot of people think "It's a democracy it must be right!" but they were under KMT martial law until recently...

The people of Taiwan should be allowed to vote on it, but the Chinese government will say "It's up to all the Chinese people to decide, not just the Taiwanese"
And they could not suffer another indignity like the loss of a terroritory (remembering all the terroritory the west and Japan took off them). They are not about to listen to our demands and lose any territory again.

You try reasoning with them. A fruitless exercise.
 
Free Tibet. hehe

I have a Taiwanese friend, hes all for independence.
There is quite a strong independence movement at the moment, so the merits of past governments shouldnt really weigh in too much.


Thats pretty harsh, saying you cant reason with them. By the way.



Just give them time.
 
Let the people vote.. but if all fails, just let China have Taiwan.
 
No need to worry about the safety of Taiwan, my Taiwanese friend says he's gonna be a general in the military and defeat the Chinese.... in other words, if China attacks they're f*cked, so hopefully it doesn;t happen, because China will merely screw up another successful economy, look no further than Hong Kong
 
MjM said:
Thats pretty harsh, saying you cant reason with them. By the way.

Just give them time.
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As long as they are ruled by the CCP they will not accept notions on a Taiwanese independence. Discussing it is insulting to them. Even on the level of ordinary citizens.

They are not going to accept losing Taiwan, now they are playing the waiting game.
 
I've yet to see a convincing reason why Taiwan should be united with China. Come to think of it, I've never heard any reason for Taiwanese reunification.
 
My friend made an interesting point.

We probably don't have to worry about any military action until at least after the 2008 Olympic games in China.


You can always reason. Theres economic prosperity at stake for both sides, reason to come to some sort of acceptable agreement. The younger generations are eager to be apart of the globalised world. Another reason.

Like i said, give them time.
 
True, it's one of the most competative nations in the world. Not at all like communism.
 
Well, then they should stop telling me they're communists.

Besides, it was a ****ing joke.
 
Steve_O said:
Well, then they should stop telling me they're communists.

Besides, it was a ****ing joke.
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Well you shoould've ****ing said it was.
 
*ANY* country that wants independence deserves it. It's very oppressive to think otherwise.

So my vote's with Taiwan
 
China's not communist, they're a dictatorship with a capitalist bent, but they're still highly oppressive... everyone remember when they tried to downplay SARS by driving people around in ambulances so the WHO people visiting the hospitals wouldn;t see them? And how about Tiannenmen Square.... ah, those were the days:upstare:
 
The_Monkey said:
Well you shoould've ****ing said it was.
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You should have ****ing KNOWN! Monkey. It's me. The Stevenator. You know me. I kid, I kid.
 
They don't believe Taiwan is a country, rather it is a renegade province.

Also it's pretty hard to administer such a large country (both territorialy and demographically), when new laws are passed, the provincial governments have a hard time following - the main assurance power the central government has over the provincial governments is the army. That's why when new laws concerning human rights are passed, we don't necessarily see adherence to these laws, because the central goverment has the army, but it doesn't have all the respect and compliance, it's not pulling all the strings.

Remember that Taiwan until recently still claimed themselves as the true government of China. They never wanted to leave China in the first place, they wanted to go back and sieze power.
And seems all the political parties, apart from the one currently in power are going to the Chinese mainland to denounce any notions of independence - they are speaking out in favour of the "one China" principle.

They'll probably be reabsorbed back into China anyway eventually, once the economy is up. They'll use tactical ways to win Taiwan back, rather than military force (they want to be seen as the good guys, the diplomatic guys).
If Taiwan do indeed deserve independence, we should wholeheartly support it, rather than this dagger in the back stuff.
Also put it in perspective with your own country - what if California wanted independence from the United States?
 
kirovman said:
Also put it in perspective with your own country - what if California wanted independence from the United States?
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i would gladly give it to them, so long as arnold agreed to stay with the mainland
 
Yeah, as long as they didn't sail off somewhere, it'd be fine.

And... as long as they made it easy for US citizens to travel to and from there, as easy as it was before!

Because well... I was born in CA.
 
kirovman said:
Also put it in perspective with your own country - what if California wanted independence from the United States?
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wtf? Don't you mean "what if the United States had a bloody communinst revolution and became a dictatorship led by the biggest mass murder in history; and the rest of the free people fled to California?" :rolleyes:
 
I say they will work towards the eventual independence of Taiwan, going by this paragraph:

After the October 10 speech by president Chen in 2004, support for independence reached new heights. Polls suggest that nearly 30% of Taiwanese residents now support independence, and an even higher percentage would support the construction of a Republic of Taiwan in 2008, as the final step after the proposed constitutional revisions in 2006. Support for One Country, Two Systems, the proposed solution by the PRC, is between 5-7%. The majority (just below 60%) still support the status quo, which is to leave Taiwan's status exactly the way that it is and to leave the issue of whether to become independent or reunify for a future date. One advantage of this option is that it avoids the necessity of defining exactly what Taiwan's status really is.

Mainly i think China is reforming more and more for the better, however it turns out i dont think it will result in a war.
 
China's quite happy with the status quo, as long as they don't go independent.

But if they decide to vote out Chen's government looks like notions of independence will be destroyed, seems like all the opposition parties have already met Communist party officials on the mainland and supported a zero independence policy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4537417.stm

Looks like they only accept one thing though:

"No matter who or which party it is, and no matter what that person or party said or did in the past, as long as they recognise the One China principle... we are willing to talk to them about the relations across the strait and the promotion of peaceful reunification," Mr Hu said.
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But with so many Taiwanese businessmen investing in businesses on the mainland, I wonder what their view of Taiwan independence is - if it destroys their lucrative businesses, I doubt they will be too happy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4496491.stm
 
Taiwan invests billions of dollars a year into factories producing things from computer components to textiles. So it would cut both ways for China and Taiwan, if they didn't come to some sort of amicable solution.
 
Taiwan has it self in part to thank about the current situation, but what about China.
It still has tibet, shouldn't they give that up to. And I clearly remeber we had a guy in the 1940 who was also set on expantion, and also claimed the same about austria(or atleast a part of it), what china claims about taiwan.
 
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