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Crave Entertainment's The Bible Game casts players as contestants on a game show, answering questions on anything from Noah's Ark to David and Goliath.

"Wholesome fun" say the makers, who hope it will encourage families to play together when it is released for the PlayStation 2 and GameBoy Advance in October.

Industry experts, however, are not convinced."


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Rev Bagley began his mission back in 1996, when investors turned down his first-person Christian shooter, Catechumen.


"Investors took Rev Bagley more seriously after Columbine

Only after the Columbine school massacre in April 1999, in which killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold claimed inspiration from violent video games, did the money start coming in.

To date his company N'Lightning Software has sold some 80,000 copies of Catechumen for the PC in the US, UK, Australia, Holland, Germany, Sweden and Denmark. "




"No blood, no guts, no gore," says Rev Bagley. "What we want are emotionally full games that don't just rely on adreneline.

"We are trying to build the genre of Christian gaming. People are tired of having these violent, demonic games dictating to their kids."


while definately not my cup of tea at least they're being somewhat realistic ...sort of:

"Simply forbidding our children from playing video games is not the answer," says Rev Bagley.

"We have to give them quality alternatives that match the excitement of secular games while promoting Christian values - without the violent or sexually explicit content."



this line is a bit disturbing but hopefully these christian groups will set their sights on developing alternatives instead of banning games


"We are trying to build the genre of Christian gaming. People are tired of having these violent, demonic games dictating to their kids."

when do parents take some of the responsibility for exposing their kids to "violent, demonic games"?
 
Isn't Doom 3 a Christian game? Going to hell to fight the devil?

Or I'm hopelessly uninformed...
 
yes doom is christian ..if christian gaming means messily blowing up the devil's cabana boy then yes it is :E ...but somehow I doubt most christians got beyond the word "opened the gates to hell.." <makes sign of cross>
 
God damn, since when does "Christian" mean "crap"? I'd say any decent RPG that shows the consequences of good and evil actions could pass for "informative and Christian".

We have devout Christian authors stretching back centuries, and their faith doesn't necessarily seep into their work and destroy it. Violence or agression doesn't mean a form of media is repulsive to God.

And yet if you hear of a game that's set out to be "Christian", it invariably means it'll be sub-standard. Why? Maybe, just maybe, because they're trying to force their values down the player's throat rather than creating a cohesive (and, more importantly, enjoyable) gaming experience.
 
I think you nailed it pretty well edcrab ..I too think it's more about cramming the message down your throat than presenting a game that has underlying christian values (which would encompass far more games)
 
Well at least the Christians are starting to think outside of the box. Instead of haggering, banning, and sueing the companies that make "violent, demonic games", they're finally setting out and making their own Christian alternative titles.

It makes more sense this way because everyone benefits. Mature gamers can still play the games that appeal to their tastes, and the Christian gamers can now do the same.

Creating more choices is always better than limiting them. :)
 
i wish christianity and religion didnt exist tbh.

let us enjoy our games without sticking thier noses in it
 
christian gaming, awesome!!!!!!! :rolling: *pissed* :x
 
CptStern said:
"Simply forbidding our children from playing video games is not the answer," says Rev Bagley.

"We have to give them quality alternatives that match the excitement of secular games while promoting Christian values - without the violent or sexually explicit content."
What a positive attitude to take. In all seriousness, I think well done to this guy. With all the people taking such a constantly negative attitude with the desire merely to remove rather than change, this guy is actually offering a channel for change.
To be frank, I don't believe it'll work (I remember seeing a review of that last game and how awful it was), but if they produce a sound game, then all power to them. I'd play it if it was of any merit. Any morals it tries to peddle I can decide for myself.

Of course, it does throw up the question of potential religious propaganda, which isn't a good thing. However, if you don't want to be subject to it (either because you think it'll offend you or you don't trust the integrity of your own moral judgements) then simply don't buy it.
In the same way that people complaining about GTA etc. can avoid its evils by not playing it or not letting their children play it.
 
el Chi said:
In the same way that people complaining about GTA etc. can avoid its evils by not playing it or not letting their children play it.

Hmm, I think we proved earlier that parents can't be expected to raise their own kids :|

It's the government's fault that my kids are playing GTA (despite me buying it for them).
 
el Chi said:
What a positive attitude to take. In all seriousness, I think well done to this guy. With all the people taking such a constantly negative attitude with the desire merely to remove rather than change, this guy is actually offering a channel for change.
To be frank, I don't believe it'll work (I remember seeing a review of that last game and how awful it was), but if they produce a sound game, then all power to them. I'd play it if it was of any merit. Any morals it tries to peddle I can decide for myself.

Of course, it does throw up the question of potential religious propaganda, which isn't a good thing. However, if you don't want to be subject to it (either because you think it'll offend you or you don't trust the integrity of your own moral judgements) then simply don't buy it.
In the same way that people complaining about GTA etc. can avoid its evils by not playing it or not letting their children play it.


maybe we should protest bible games as "corrupting today's youth" ...see how they like it for a change


but I agree, I dont think it will work ...making a game christian just for the sake of it goes against the basic principles of game production: games are supposed to fun. Bible jeoperdy does not sound like fun

I listened to an interview with a christian game developer who talked about his game Catechumen

I thought it might mildly interesting but as I listened to his discription and saw the screenshots all I could think was "I dont think even Ned flanders would like this"
 
CptStern said:
maybe we should protest bible games as "corrupting today's youth" ...see how they like it for a change


but I agree, I dont think it will work ...making a game christian just for the sake of it goes against the basic principles of game production: games are supposed to fun. Bible jeoperdy does not sound like fun
I like the protest idea :) They'd probably just break out the hoses and douse us all in holy water though (cue lots of screams to the tune of "It burns!")

As for the game? I don't think it needn't be fundamentally flawed just because it's Christian in ethos. It's all about where you're starting from. If that's an underlying element that the other elements are based upon, then there's no reason why the game should be bad. If it's some sort of crude cement slapped between the shoddy elements of "gameplay" that make up this bit of digital propaganda - well, THEN things get precarious.
 
I think a game based around Bible stories could be awesome.. just think.. nailing a lethal headshot on goliath etc :)

Could be fun, given the right talent..
 
ya so far that's what it is ..propaganda disguised as a game. I think they should nail down the concept with christian themes in mind instead of making a game solely around the concept of "christian games" ...I cant see too manykids liking a game just because it's a "christian game" ..in fact I think it would have theopposite effect "christian game?!? ewwwww"
 
In fact, if they DO make a decent Christian-based game (or any other religion, for that matter) fair play to them. I'm racking my brains and I'm finding it hard to think of an appropriate and interesting genre. We've had the beginnings of introducing political theories in (Deus Ex had an admirable stab) and I feel sure/hope that'll become more widespread, but political ideologies are generally easier to implement as they don't have quite so many moral implications when it comes to games. That is to say, one could advocate the benefits of left-wing capitalism in an FPS (although I'd hope for a slightly less middle-of-the-road sentiment), but it's harder to do the same in a Christian fashion in an FPS.
 
ComradeBadger said:
I think a game based around Bible stories could be awesome.. just think.. nailing a lethal headshot on goliath etc :)

Could be fun, given the right talent..

no death, or overt violence ...sure we'd all like to drive the philistines from the market on a sabbath with nothing more than a walking stick but they abhor violence ..at least I hope so ..cuz then that would be hypocritical .."doom violence = evil, jesus thrashing non-believers with his sword of smitey-ness = good"
 
crazy christians...what next...christian porno? :O
 
we all know how christian you are aswell stern :Dhehe

btw im not religious one bit. waste of time imo.
 
CptStern said:
no death, or overt violence ...sure we'd all like to drive the philistines from the market on a sabbath with nothing more than a walking stick but they abhor violence ..at least I hope so ..cuz then that would be hypocritical .."doom violence = evil, jesus thrashing non-believers with his sword of smitey-ness = good"
Yea, such things wouldn't be suitable for children... they'd be for the older kids, Christian or not!

Anyway, for the younger fellows.. a shephard tending a flock of sheep ... that could be fun...

tbh, what we're talking about here are hardcore Christian fundamentalist... the key part of that is mental :D
 
hehhe never thought anybody would think tending sheep would be fun ...well not in a non-sexual way (who am I too judge?)

the thing is that in order to break out from a niche market they would have to have compelling game play ...bible games are just too limited in scope
 
IS this a joke? A game that shows blood and gore isn't christian yet a movie that shows the same in the name of Jesus is? The hypocracy of these people, makes me sick to my stomach (could be the hangover).

LOL, Christian porno. I'm sure if you search long enough it already exists.
 
phbbbbbbth... this guy is totally missing the point. "First-person Christian shooter"- now there's a colossal oxymoron if I've ever heard one. Simply removing the gore from a game leaves the violence- which, in my opinion, is a much worse influence on people (not that I'll ever stop fragging). This is so typical of overly religious people- getting so caught up in morals that they miss the big picture. But hey, who cares when you're making money and forcing your views upon others?
 
CptStern said:
hehhe never thought anybody would think tending sheep would be fun ...well not in a non-sexual way (who am I too judge?)

the thing is that in order to break out from a niche market they would have to have compelling game play ...bible games are just too limited in scope
It could be fun! Making sure they don't wander off, protecting them from wolves, leading them to safe watering holes n stuff.. imo it could be pretty fun!
 
heheh okay maybe for a young child ...most young teens would only like it if there was a chance of blowing them up.

check out

www.awesomegame.com


there's a few christian games on the site ..they just look like boring sub-par pc games that came out years ago
 
Don't see a problem with it, religious people can enjoy computer games just as much as the rest of us...why shouldn't they have a religious game to play?
 
ComradeBadger said:
It could be fun! Making sure they don't wander off, protecting them from wolves, leading them to safe watering holes n stuff.. imo it could be pretty fun!

That reminds me of those Loony Tunes cartoons where the coyote tries to get the sheep from the dog who is guarding them. It's hilarious because the two of them are the best of friends outside of work, but sworn enemies from 9 to 5. And of course the coyote comes up with all these overly elaborate and unncessarily complicated plans that never work. :LOL:



*sigh* they don't make cartoons like they used to.
 
Razor said:
Don't see a problem with it, religious people can enjoy computer games just as much as the rest of us...why shouldn't they have a religious game to play?
Because stern is opposed to it, and people should never ever have alternatives that go against his opinion.
 
Foxtrot said:
Because stern is opposed to it, and people should never ever have alternatives that go against his opinion.


I don't remember him saying he opposed it. He said its fine unless it turns out to be christian propaganda which America definetly does not need. They already think they own this country.
 
Oh for goodness sake... most of these projects are designed to preach values to the masses, and as a Christian (well, a Protestant Agnostic as I so constantly and irritatingly proclaim) I have difficulty supporting a move by my "fellows" that involves denouncing anything with violence and claiming their products are the only good and proper creations.

But that said, if they produce a decent game- and drop the increasingly tiring "other games = demonic" stance- it deserves to sell.
 
I can think of a couple of games:

Kain & Abel Your brother has stolen your soup. So what do you do? You take revenge! Beat-em up
40 Years in the Sinaï You've promised your people milk and honey but you've lost the way. Find your promised land. Adventure / puzzle game
David & Goliath There's a big bully, running amok. You have to kill him, but you only have ranged weapons. Stealth action *

* Possible spin-off: David & Goliath; The Filistine Wars Your people has recently settled in a new area. Can you keep the neighbours out or even expand your reign? RTS

As you can see I know my stuff. It doesn't mean I'm Christian tho. IMO religions can bring out the best in people but more likely will bring out the worst. In theory most religions are sensible, but as soon as people get involved things go wrong. They argue, split up and fight each other. Look at: Catholic vs. Protestant, Suni vs. Shia, Christianity vs. Islam, etc. etc.
 
"Now every single Christian is now an enemy of the republic. Do what must be done. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy." -Opening quotes to the Genocide of Christians speech.
 
Foxtrot said:
Because stern is opposed to it, and people should never ever have alternatives that go against his opinion.

huh? why would I be opposed to it? If I wouldnt buy it why would I stop someone else from buying it?
 
CptStern said:
huh? why would I be opposed to it? If I wouldnt buy it why would I stop someone else from buying it?
You are agains the idea of having alternatives.
 
? that makes no sense whatsoever ...why would I care? if anything I said it was a step in the right direction
 
At least now that Christian gaming clan can go elsewhere and not be forced to play violent games like HL2...
 
anyone remember that christian video game review site? it was good for a laugh.
 
i'm waiting for a game for Alcada (or however it spells) where you become a siucide bomber, there would be only one level
 
OCybrManO said:
At least now that Christian gaming clan can go elsewhere and not be forced to play violent games like HL2...
hahah, "forced to play HL2"
i'm Christian, but i do think that "christian gaming" or even "christian rock" is silly (maybe not rock)
plus, america turned a chirch into a club like place, instead of a temple

i don't understand why they have to bring religion into everything, here in America, i'm from Russia and we a very religios people but we are not maniacs about it
 
When will you all understand that these people who are against all these violent games, are an older generation of Christians, who didn't really grow up with these games full of violence and stuff that mimics our modern reality to many extents.

I think you'll be happy to know, that more than likely your same generation of peers, who follow the christian faith, will be just as avidly into all forms of games as I am. I'm a gamer, and i'm sticking to it. I'll try all games, unless I don't find it interesting, or just too pointlessly and idiotically violent without a point, like maybe the postal games. As an adult, I leave it up to myself to be the judge of what games I let myself play, and as the rest of you do as well, make sure it doesn't distort my reality in a negative light.
 
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