City 17 - Could It Actually Happen?

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SwatZeR

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Here's a question that occurred to me as I was playing HL2 @ 4am last night. I've only had 4 hours of sleep, so that may explain what I am about to say, but bear with me for a few moments...

Do you think there's a possibility that the idea of City 17 could in fact happen? No, I'm not talking aliens but more realistically, I'm talking about the whole idea of being involved in a war and having our country invaded. Martial law. 7pm curfew. The streets being patrolled by the military.

Think I'm in dire need of sleep and that my brain is being deprived of oxygen? I think not. Why? Because City 17 has already happened in the past. Germans. Nazis. Concentration camps. Hitler wanted to eliminate the Jews and create a race of "supermen". Still think I'm crazy?

There are a couple parts in HL2 where I thought to myself, "that could totally happen". A couple examples...

When you are first inserted into the game you are being transferred to City 17. Aside from the train not being packed with people like a can of sardines, it's not unlike the train cars that took people to Auschwitz. The people at the train station were all wearing the same blue jumpsuits.

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Then there is the woman's voice that you hear echoing over the loudspeakers outside. She is telling the public that there because they are helping the fugitive (Freeman I assume) that food rations are being cut back. She informs the ground units and continues to talk in that same monotone voice...creepy.

The Combine police. The faceless masks were eerily reminiscent of the Nazi helmets. Easily recognizable and very freaky in the dark when all you see are the glowing eyes. They enforce corporal law with their electrified batons and herd people into areas like they were cattle.

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Again...with the little sleep that I've had, I may be a bit off my rocker, but I don't think that I'm that far out to lunch on this one. Whadda ya think?
 
Isn't this in the wrong forum?

This is about HALF LIFE 2 GAME DISCUSSION, not theories. :p
 
Your current goverment is already doing that in the middle east. Pretend you're in Iraq...and the combine are the US military.

Have you read about the 2000 security cameras in Chicago? How many surveillance cams are in major cities like NYC? City17 is slowly building all around you in the US as we type.
 
bouche said:
Your current goverment is already doing that in the middle east. Pretend you're in Iraq...and the combine are the US military.

Have you read about the 2000 security cameras in Chicago? How many surveillance cams are in major cities like NYC? City17 is slowly building all around you in the US as we type.

Nah, I wouldnt say THAT.......

In order for a reinactment to occur, we would have to be invaded or something - the terrorists WILL NOT take OVER the US, they will just DAMAGE the US.

Crime also isn't a possible way because we have so many policemen, etc. keeping the streets clean, although there are still hordes of criminals trailing all over the U.S.

I dont think something like that will happen in OUR GENERATION, but about 100-200 years from now, I wouldn't be surprised if it really happened. :eek:
 
I'm pretty sure City 17 is based on WW2 Warsaw. At least the idea of the whole resistance fighters and all.
 
Chubz said:
Nah, I wouldnt say THAT.......

In order for a reinactment to occur, we would have to be invaded or something - the terrorists WILL NOT take OVER the US, they will just DAMAGE the US.

Crime also isn't a possible way because we have so many policemen, etc. keeping the streets clean, although there are still hordes of criminals trailing all over the U.S.

I dont think something like that will happen in OUR GENERATION, but about 100-200 years from now, I wouldn't be surprised if it really happened. :eek:


I think bouche's point is.....a "reinactment" of this kind *won't* be because terrorists or any external force takes over the USA.

It will be our own government that oppresses us. Using fear of attacks from "terrorists" as a motivation. All in the name of being "safe."

Actually, we're already on the road. I got the creeps hearing "our city is now safe.....be smart.....be safe..." on the loudspeakers in City 17. Reminded me a LOT of some current public service messages on the radio here in the USA.
 
Dan said:
I'm pretty sure City 17 is based on WW2 Warsaw. At least the idea of the whole resistance fighters and all.


I've travelled around eastern europe, and the general feel of City 17 is AMAZINGLY similar. The mix of "old world" architecture with communist-utilitarian officespace/housing in City 17 is just how most of eastern europe looks, even today.
 
Danger_Diabolik....

Thank you for pulling the full description out of my head for me :)
 
SwatZeR said:
Do you think there's a possibility that the idea of City 17 could in fact happen? No, I'm not talking aliens but more realistically, I'm talking about the whole idea of being involved in a war and having our country invaded. Martial law. 7pm curfew. The streets being patrolled by the military.

Think I'm in dire need of sleep and that my brain is being deprived of oxygen? I think not. Why? Because City 17 has already happened in the past. Germans. Nazis. Concentration camps. Hitler wanted to eliminate the Jews and create a race of "supermen". Still think I'm crazy?

HL2 is merely taking ideas from history. This has happened many times through history and happens still today. If you don't watch out, the PATRIOT act is only beginning! :sniper:
 
There was this movie with Denzel Washington about terrorists cells attacking New York City. When the government could no longer fend off the enemy they declared Marshall Law which meant that the military was brought in and had absolute control of the territory. They captured innocent Arabic Americans and jailed them in military fenced off cages for interrogation. It's not unlike the Patriot Law in effect right now, where the goverment has the right to invade your personal life for the purpose of gathering information. Sometimes they do it without you even realizing it. If you are online..i.e. have a telephone, credit card, an I.D...you are not secure.
 
House said:
There was this movie with Denzel Washington about terrorists cells attacking New York City. When the government could no longer fend off the enemy they declared Marshall Law which meant that the military was brought in and had absolute control of the territory. They captured innocent Arabic Americans and jailed them in military fenced off cages for interrogation. It's not unlike the Patriot Law in effect right now, where the goverment has the right to invade your personal life for the purpose of gathering information. Sometimes they do it without you even realizing it. If you are online..i.e. have a telephone, credit card, an I.D...you are not secure.

Or what is happening on Guantanamo in Cuba, where some 500 are still held without facing international war laws (Geneva convention) or being charged under national law, but still violently being interrogated according to those that have been let out. All this against the Human Rights.
 
This may happen, but on what level?
What would these people want to oppress?
 
House said:
There was this movie with Denzel Washington about terrorists cells attacking New York City. When the government could no longer fend off the enemy they declared Marshall Law which meant that the military was brought in and had absolute control of the territory. They captured innocent Arabic Americans and jailed them in military fenced off cages for interrogation. It's not unlike the Patriot Law in effect right now, where the goverment has the right to invade your personal life for the purpose of gathering information. Sometimes they do it without you even realizing it. If you are online..i.e. have a telephone, credit card, an I.D...you are not secure.
The Siege, starring Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis, I saw it a few weeks ago on tv.

I think it can happen again. Those things happened before and history shows us that we never learn from our mistakes.
 
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