Communist World!!!!

[Sprafa]

What do you think ?

Worst or better to have an entirely communist world?

Remember that after a while it would change from what we saw in Soviet Russia into something like were everything is free and you don't have to worry about most stuff excepting getting in a fight with the son of a Politburo member.

 

[Sparta]

Have you ever read 1984? That gives a very VERY good depiction of what life would be like if the world was controlled entirely by Totalitarian governments. Its pretty depressing

 

[Sprafa]

Have you ever read 1984? That gives a very VERY good depiction of what life would be like if the world was controlled entirely by Totalitarian governments. Its pretty depressing

Communism is not totalitarian. Socialism is.

 

[HunterSeeker]

What is totalitarian? Some form of depotism?

 

[CyberSh33p]

Sprafa's right on that one, and a true communism would be utopian, but corruption and capitalism tends to break it.

 

[AcousticToad]

Communism was great until some mis treated the foundations and all hell broke loose. If they tried it today i think it would succeed and there would be less problems. Hence my sig.

 

[ShadowFox]

We've been over this. Communism can never work unless Humans evolve past their self-preservation instinct.

 

[Sprafa]

We've been over this. Communism can never work unless Humans evolve past their self-preservation instinct.

WTF ?

explain yourself.

 

[ShadowFox]

WTF ?

explain yourself.

It isn't a hard concept. True communism requires every person in the society to put the good of the community over the good of the individual. Sure, there are some folks who can accept this rather well. But there are a large amount of people who are either too greedy, or too ambitious (Macbeth syndrome) to accept such a system.

 

[Dedalus]

WTF ?

explain yourself.

yeah i was gonna type the same thing. but don't worry, he's a hardcore capitalist type. loves his money more than life kind of person. am i right?

personally i'd be willing to try communism. as long as we kill all the capitalists first :sniper:

 

[HunterSeeker]

Capitalism would indeed be utopian, but it is so frigging hard to do right and done wrongly can totally devestate a nation.

And I still do not know what totalitarian is.

 

[ShadowFox]

yeah i was gonna type the same thing. but don't worry, he's a hardcore capitalist type. loves his money more than life kind of person. am i right?

personally i'd be willing to try communism. as long as we kill all the capitalists first :sniper:

LMAO. I'm not a "hardcore capitalist". I do believe capitalism is the best form of government currently around.

I am however, a realist. And if you believe that true Communism can work, then you are very, very naive.

 

[Sprafa]

And I still do not know what totalitarian is.

it's the basis of Fascism, total control of the State on the individual.

 

[Sprafa]

I am however, a realist. And if you believe that true Communism can work, then you are very, very naive.

Lol

Actually, I hate Commies. I also believe that now communism is unviable due to the fact that to remove that "Macbeth factor" we need totalitarism. Weird that I said the exact same thing to a commie some ago ("I'm a realist,...)

But in a future, when we have a more advanced social conscience and societal sctructure, I believe that we will eventually revert to some sort of Communism.

 

[ShadowFox]

But in a future, when we have a more advanced social conscience and societal sctructure, I believe that we will eventually revert to some sort of Communism.

This is possible, but not for hundreds of years in my mind.

 

[Dedalus]

LMAO. I'm not a "hardcore capitalist". I do believe capitalism is the best form of government currently around.

I am however, a realist. And if you believe that true Communism can work, then you are very, very naive.

at which point did i say anything about 'true communism'?

anyway just carry on.

 

[ShadowFox]

at which point did i say anything about 'true communism'?

anyway just carry on.

Well, if you are refering to Bolshevik communism; that form, like totalitarianism, relies on strong leaders. If you have a poor leader in charge, the system brakes down.

 

[HunterSeeker]

Then Socialism is not Totalairian, Sweden has had a socialst goverment for as long as I have lived but they have been voted forth fair and square every 4 years. But as it looks like now I think they will be replaced by a capitalism goverment next election (2006).

 

[Sparta]

In theory, Communism works, In THEORY!

Can't remember what episode thats from but it pretty much sums up my feelings on it.
Communism will nevre truly work as long as there is greed. And there always will be.

 

[Kyorisu]

"Marge, I agree with you -- in theory. In theory, communism works. In theory." -- Homer Simpso

 

[CyberSh33p]

It isn't a hard concept. True communism requires every person in the society to put the good of the community over the good of the individual. Sure, there are some folks who can accept this rather well. But there are a large amount of people who are either too greedy, or too ambitious (Macbeth syndrome) to accept such a system.

sounds like the book Anthem or something. anyway, removing individualism isn't a good thing. as usually the 'community' blows and you're just doing menial manual labor.

 

[CptStern]

sounds like the book Anthem or something. anyway,

Ayn Rand!

fountainhead was good, although she's a little too hardline capitalist for my tastes ..but at the time it made sense

 

[Korgoth]

Originally Posted by ShadowFox
It isn't a hard concept. True communism requires every person in the society to put the good of the community over the good of the individual. Sure, there are some folks who can accept this rather well. But there are a large amount of people who are either too greedy, or too ambitious (Macbeth syndrome) to accept such a system.

Funny thing is though, the same greedy, ambitious people you are talking about, run our form of government...

 

[Sparta]

"Marge, I agree with you -- in theory. In theory, communism works. In theory." -- Homer Simpson

Thank you, thats the whole line

 

[alehm]

The most successful Communist society in recent human history were some North American Indian tribes living in small communities.
If you want to experience Communism that works wellthen go live in a animal skin hut and hunt for your food without electricity and cell phones.
Other than that you can only look at the current communist countries whose quality of life are the envy of the free world(North Korea, former Soviet Union, Cuba, ect... yeah that was sarcasim)

 

[Some_God]

It would be cool... but then I would have to join the army and march down Red Squar... I mean Pennyslvania Ave. :|

 

[-JeZ-]

I don't know mate. I think there are too many selfish people in the world for it to work. We need to evolve as a race (or so huge catastrophy knocks us back) before the "greater good" is anything other than a Presidantial Canditiate speach

 

[ShadowFox]

Funny thing is though, the same greedy, ambitious people you are talking about, run our form of government...

This is true, but I fail to see your point.

 

[Korgoth]

This is true, but I fail to see your point.

I guess the point is, no government is works %100. Or you could say, that those people are the ones who ruin it for everyone else no matter what system they are in.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Communism strips away rights, it'd never last because if it was worldwide there would be massive rebellion.

I for one, would never stop selling/stop using free trade. And what are they going to do? Imprison me? Kill me? If they did, I'd be a militant, and I honestly mean that.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Communism has been tainted by what happened in Russia in particular, and subsequently the countries that became communist afterwards.
Its not about taking away your rights, its suppsoed to be a time when everyone wants to do the right thing by their fellow man. They don't caer about their material possesions and instead work to better the lives of everyone else. Doing their part for humanity.

 

[AzzMan]

Communism is not totalitarian. Socialism is.

No. Totalitariamism has nothing to do with socialism. One is an economic system, the other is the way a government is run.

 

[Some_God]

Communism has been tainted by what happened in Russia in particular, and subsequently the countries that became communist afterwards.
Its not about taking away your rights, its suppsoed to be a time when everyone wants to do the right thing by their fellow man. They don't caer about their material possesions and instead work to better the lives of everyone else. Doing their part for humanity.

Rawr... I dont like english accents.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Ahem. Whenever I post this comment in a communist thread, it's ignored.

So here I go again:

Communism cannot work, ever, and it's not just down to human nature. Have any of you actually read Karl Marx? I doubt it.

Read the book, and you'll see that the idea of communism is based on a 19th century view of the world, where labour was the main source of income. Workers, as they were bringing in most of the country, should have the power [basic idea]. However, this is not the case anymore. Imagination is the main source of income. Not labour.

 

[ShadowFox]

Ahem. Whenever I post this comment in a communist thread, it's ignored.

So here I go again:

Communism cannot work, ever, and it's not just down to human nature. Have any of you actually read Karl Marx? I doubt it.

Thank you. Communism is a nice dream.. but that is all it will ever be.

 

[Sprafa]

Read the book, and you'll see that the idea of communism is based on a 19th century view of the world, where labour was the main source of income. Workers, as they were bringing in most of the country, should have the power [basic idea]. However, this is not the case anymore. Imagination is the main source of income. Not labour.

A communist world wouldn't be ruled by the same rules that Marx wrote.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Define Communism then.

 

[Dedalus]

Ahem. Whenever I post this comment in a communist thread, it's ignored.

So here I go again:

Communism cannot work, ever, and it's not just down to human nature. Have any of you actually read Karl Marx? I doubt it.

Read the book, and you'll see that the idea of communism is based on a 19th century view of the world, where labour was the main source of income. Workers, as they were bringing in most of the country, should have the power [basic idea]. However, this is not the case anymore. Imagination is the main source of income. Not labour.

i've read stuff by karl marx, and i don't agree with it all, because he just assumes that all forms of government are static and cannot change. what he's commenting on is a snapshot in time, and a very specific definition of each style of government. it's very innacurate.

his theories are just out of date and too narrow minded for me. he's commenting on the theory of communism. fine, fair enough. but what he fails to do is make the transferrence to modern equivalents.

anyway nevermind.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Precisely my point Dedalus

 

[Sprafa]

A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.



Fine with me.

And ,btw, I'm more fond of fascism then communism. But of course if I said my ideas, I would probably be banned....