Conan the bacterium, originally from Mars

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According to one theory, impacts on the surface of the Red Planet could have thrown Martian rocks into space, which wandered the vaccum before tumbling through Earth's atmosphere and crashing down as meteorites.

If these Martian meteorites contained any life forms able to survive the journey, they might have been able to gain a foothold on our own planet, scientists speculate.

The best-studied radiation-resistant microbe is Deinococcus radiodurans.

It can withstand several thousand times the lethal dose of radiation for humans, and has been nicknamed "Conan the bacterium" by microbiologists.

"Our hypothesis of a Martian origin for radio-resistant bacteria provides an explanation for their ability to withstand ionizing radiation, a trait that appears to be of no value on Earth at any time in its history,"
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pretty awesome

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6191197.stm
 
Nice theory. So if you believe in this and evolution, we came from Martians?
 
Sounds nifty, but this bit got me:

Scientists have also carried out experiments in which they blast "ordinary" bacteria with gamma rays, allow the survivors to recover, and then repeat the process again and again. After many cycles, the bacteria develop resistance to high levels of radiation
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Hulk smash!
 
New evidence shows that mars was covered with water and had a climate very similar to earth's for about a third of its history, which ended somewhere near a half a billion years ago. Life could have easily evolved at that time, as it certainly had on our own planet.

We have found fossilized bacteria in asteroids before, yet it has never been conclusive whether these bacteria were from earth or another planet.

It actually wouldn't be too far fetched that these bacteria are from mars at all, and it might actually be quite common in the universe for ejected matter from asteroid impacts to transport organic matter from one planet to another.
 
CptStern said:
well the alternative is far more silly
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haha nice.

I have always held my own theory about where Dinosaurs and Cavemen came into the picture, because I do believe in creationism but never heard it anywhere else, but I think it makes sense, to me at least:

In short, since I am at work, ill elaborate later if anyone cares, God created the Heavens and the Earth (the universe) some un-imaginable amount of time ago. God is beginningless and endless, so when exactly he created the "universe" is not known. The bible states a thousand years is like a day to God (wether thats exact, I doubt it, but basically saying God does not measure time like we do).

So carbon dating could be accurate. If God created the Earth, or what makes up the earth, then waited to what for us might have been billions of years to us, then evolution could also be true. If God put bacteria on the earth, supplied it with the perfect environment for it to evolve, then evolution is possible and rational. I dont believe that WE evolved from monkeys but I believe that the Neanderthal People and the Cro-Magnon and all the pre-historic men could have.

Since Cave men and Dinosaurs and all that are before recorded human history, and they are never mentioned in the bible, one of the oldest history books ever written, could they have come before Adam and Eve?

I just like to think Adam and Eve were created directly from God like the bible states and that everything was created according to how the bible says it was but I like to think that evolution happened too. The bible said that when he made Adam and Eve and the like, that the earth was void. So say God put bacteria on the earth, yadda yadda, evolution happens, dinosaurs happen and then for whatever reason God whipes it out and starts new with Adam and Eve?

Sounds kind of far fetched and sketchy but just trying to throw it out there quick. Back to the grind!

:flame: FLAME ON! :flame:
 
Deadline said:
haha nice.

I have always held my own theory about where Dinosaurs and Cavemen came into the picture, because I do believe in creationism but never heard it anywhere else, but I think it makes sense, to me at least:

In short, since I am at work, ill elaborate later if anyone cares, God created the Heavens and the Earth (the universe) some un-imaginable amount of time ago. God is beginningless and endless, so when exactly he created the "universe" is not known. The bible states a thousand years is like a day to God (wether thats exact, I doubt it, but basically saying God does not measure time like we do).

So carbon dating could be accurate. If God created the Earth, or what makes up the earth, then waited to what for us might have been billions of years to us, then evolution could also be true. If God put bacteria on the earth, supplied it with the perfect environment for it to evolve, then evolution is possible and rational. I dont believe that WE evolved from monkeys but I believe that the Neanderthal People and the Cro-Magnon and all the pre-historic men could have.

Since Cave men and Dinosaurs and all that are before recorded human history, and they are never mentioned in the bible, one of the oldest history books ever written, could they have come before Adam and Eve?

I just like to think Adam and Eve were created directly from God like the bible states and that everything was created according to how the bible says it was but I like to think that evolution happened too. The bible said that when he made Adam and Eve and the like, that the earth was void. So say God put bacteria on the earth, yadda yadda, evolution happens, dinosaurs happen and then for whatever reason God whipes it out and starts new with Adam and Eve?

Sounds kind of far fetched and sketchy but just trying to throw it out there quick. Back to the grind!

:flame: FLAME ON! :flame:
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sooo... you believe God created earth in a pre-birth state where it will (according to His plan) evolve into the Earth we know of today, but we were aren't apart of that evolution??
 
well I can come up with much more plausible explanations but lets' examine yours :)

for god to have planted bacteria and thenn for him to wipe them out out of displeasure is impossible ..god by definition is perfect ..all that he creates is perfect, therefore he couldnt create something who's outcome he was displeased with because of that very fact ...2. if everything god did had a purpose why even populate the earth with dinosaurs for 100's of millions of years if they served no purpose other than to be a convienent target for comets? 3. according to the bible itself the earth is little more than 6000 years. 4. the hebrew word for day is specifically tied to a 24 hour period:

Young Earth creationists generally hold that when Genesis describes the creation of the Earth occurring over a period of days, this indicates normal-length 24 hour days, and cannot reasonably be interpreted otherwise. They agree that the Hebrew word for "day" (y?m) can refer to either a 24-hour day or a long or unspecified time, but argue that whenever the latter interpretation is used it includes a preposition defining the long or unspecified period. In the specific context of Genesis 1, since the days are both numbered and are referred to as "evening and morning", this can mean only normal-length days. Further, they argue that the 24-hour day is the only interpretation that makes sense of the Sabbath command in Exodus 20:8
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism#Young_Earth_creationist_ideas
 
CptStern said:
well I can come up with much more plausible explanations but lets' examine yours :)

for god to have planted bacteria and thenn for him to wipe them out out of displeasure is impossible ..god by definition is perfect ..all that he creates is perfect, therefore he couldnt create something who's outcome he was displeased with because of that very fact ...2. if everything god did had a purpose why even populate the earth with dinosaurs for 100's of millions of years if they served no purpose other than to be a convienent target for comets? 3. according to the bible itself the earth is little more than 6000 years. 4. the hebrew word for day is specifically tied to a 24 hour period:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism#Young_Earth_creationist_ideas
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Not saying I understand everything there is to Evolutionism or Creationism, just saying some things I have thought about, although I have not actually sat down and figured out everything I think is true or false. I personally dont think the bible tells us everything there is to know, unlike some creationists.

I just dont think the Bible gives us the whole picture. God gave us minds to think for ourselves and decide for ourselves what we believe and I dont think it a sin if we question the word of God every now and then.

Where did the Dinosaurs or Cave-men come into the picture? Carbon dating says the earth and bones of animals are WAY older than just 6000 years old. I personally dont believe the earth is only 6000 years old, I DO believe that since Adam and Eve and the "creation" of the animals and the earth that we live in today is 6000 or so years old however.

thanks for the link, going to defiantly read that over.

And whats your explination? You seem to have really well thought out ideas.
 
but you just said carbon dating proves animals have lived here far longer than 6000 years ..yet you also say that it's only been 6000 years since adam and eve ..am I missing something?
 
i think he believes in evolution etc but thinks that humans/earths current animals were put here by god( did not evolve) and are only 6 thousand years old.

except for the Crocodile of course, god liked him so much he let him stick around.
 
Yeah

I believe there was life that could have come from Evolution Pre-biblical creation. Then Biblical Creation (eg Adam and Eve, and todays animals).

Sorry having a hard time putting my ideas in words, stupid gay ass chrismas music here in the office, but there was obviously life from along time ago... before biblical creation, hence fossels from dinosaurs and fish and all that good stuff.

Im sure the bible would have mentioned something about dinosaurs or other life if they were in the same Era, if i may use that term.

Obvious conflictions, but why doesnt anyone mention them?

So unless Carbon dating is VERY wrong, or the Bible is VERY wrong, something is missing, right?
 
Deadline said:
Yeah

I believe there was life that could have come from Evolution Pre-biblical creation. Then Biblical Creation (eg Adam and Eve, and todays animals).

Sorry having a hard time putting my ideas in words, stupid gay ass chrismas music here in the office, but there was obviously life from along time ago... before biblical creation, hence fossels from dinosaurs and fish and all that good stuff.

Im sure the bible would have mentioned something about dinosaurs or other life if they were in the same Era, if i may use that term.

Obvious conflictions, but why doesnt anyone mention them?

So unless Carbon dating is VERY wrong, or the Bible is VERY wrong, something is missing, right?
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ya but there's tons of animals that have direct descendants that are far older than 6000 years old

horses for example:

wikipedia said:
Horses and other equids are odd-toed ungulates of the order Perissodactyla, a relatively ancient group of browsing and grazing animals that first arose less than 10 million years after the dinosaurs became extinct. In the past, this order contained twelve families, but only three families?the horses and related species, tapirs and rhinoceroses?have survived till today. The earliest equids (belonging to the genus Hyracotherium) were found approximately 54 million years to the Eocene period.
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I was not saying that the animals that are alive right now are original and not related to any other pre-historic ones, obviously thats not true, like you said. I mean, whos to say God didnt just create the Best of the Best in terms of evolution and descendents. Every descendent had evolved from the former, therefor was better at whatever it needed to do to survive. If that makes any sense?
 
So you believe in intelligent design? Im having a hard time following your logic.
 
Deadline said:
I was not saying that the animals that are alive right now are original and not related to any other pre-historic ones, obviously thats not true, like you said. I mean, whos to say God didnt just create the Best of the Best in terms of evolution and descendents. Every descendent had evolved from the former, therefor was better at whatever it needed to do to survive. If that makes any sense?
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but if they evolved then they couldnt have been put here in their present form

also god is perfect (by definition) he cannot create something that is imperfect (obvious contradiction)
 
CptStern said:
but if they evolved then they couldnt have been put here in their present form

also god is perfect (by definition) he cannot create something that is imperfect (obvious contradiction)
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couldn't he create whatever he wants?
 
Back on topic!!!!

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brink's said:
couldn't he create whatever he wants?
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yes and no ..it's the old "can god make a stone so big even he couldnt lift it" argument. I'm sure he could but why would he? same goes for life ..why would he create something inferior that wouldnt last? I mean it's god, he doesnt have to abide by time ...surely he knew when creating these inferior lifeforms that he'd be snuffing them out at a later date ...it all boils down to faith ..if you believe god can move mountains then it's easy to believe he watches over an earth he created 6000 years ago ..if you dont welll ...that's where science/logic comes in to fill the gaps ...gaps are non existant to the faithful because it can all be explained through god
 
Well the thing I never could understand, and no one could answer me, is If God is perfect, and he created everything, where did Sin originate?

according to the bible, Satan was envious for Gods power and caused him to lust after it and thats how he was cast out of heaven.... so is God himself, being perfect and having limitless power, naturally Sin? Or is it by giving living beings Free-will, and allowing them to have even a limited understanding of His Limitless power SIN?

I cant answer these questions, but I know God made man, gave them free will, and they sinned. They were perfect until they were given free will to sin.
 
So you believe it, Knowing and believing are two different things.
 
Deadline said:
Well the thing I never could understand, and no one could answer me, is If God is perfect, and he created everything, where did Sin originate?
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sin originated with eve

Deadline said:
according to the bible, Satan was envious for Gods power and caused him to lust after it and thats how he was cast out of heaven.... so is God himself, being perfect and having limitless power, naturally Sin? Or is it by giving living beings Free-will, and allowing them to have even a limited understanding of His Limitless power SIN?
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man turned away from god, causing sin


Deadline said:
I cant answer these questions, but I know God made man, gave them free will, and they sinned. They were perfect until they were given free will to sin.
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well they couldnt be perfect because they are flesh ...flesh is not perfect
 
I know for fact that unicorns exist because I believe they do.

Also, I fail logic.
 
CptStern said:
sin originated with eve
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So Satan was not sinful? He temped them, so sin must have originated before eve or satan would still be in heaven.


CptStern said:
man turned away from god, causing sin
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Man chose to dis-obey god because of the lies that satan told them. They knew it was wrong, but they thought they would be like God, because thats what Satan told them would happen. The thought of being like God was overwhelming.


anyhow, going home now, ill look at thread in the AM. so dont expect an answer from me today :p




CptStern said:
well they couldnt be perfect because they are flesh ...flesh is not perfect
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God is perfect, and if Flesh is ignorant of the ways of Good and Evil and does not know the difference, then it cannot be sin. but with the knowlege they achived by eating the fruit, they also knew what was wrong and right, good or evil. They only thing they knew was wrong, was eating from that tree, thats it.


Thanks for the non-flaming debate. :cheers:
 
Deadline said:
So Satan was not sinful? He temped them, so sin must have originated before eve or satan would still be in heaven.
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well not really ..sin is a human condition (original sin) it originated with man



Deadline said:
Man chose to dis-obey god because of the lies that satan told them. They knew it was wrong, but they thought they would be like God, because thats what Satan told them would happen. The thought of being like God was overwhelming.
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man disobeyed god who told him not to eat from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil ..once he ate it he understood evil ..but the sin was disobeying god, not eating the fruit

edit: see the symbolism? man is the child like being and god the parent; not trusting he'll be able to handle seeing what's behind the curtain ...it kinda elevates god to this mystical all knowing being that's to be trusted unconditionally ..fundamentally it's the same relationship pagans had with the sun (many scholars believe christianity had it's origins in such mythology)

Deadline said:
God is perfect, and if Flesh is ignorant of the ways of Good and Evil and does not know the difference, then it cannot be sin. but with the knowlege they achived by eating the fruit, they also knew what was wrong and right, good or evil. They only thing they knew was wrong, was eating from that tree, thats it.


Thanks for the non-flaming debate. :cheers:
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well I meant by the very fact that they needed a body made them imperfect
 
download the Jesus program and he will delete all of your .sin files!
 
If you believe in god, then how come you do not believe this(or do you?):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

or the fact that I am god? I am god and I created all of you. Do you believe me or do I have to write a book about it?

Anyway on subject.
Thats far out. I could definently see that happening.
 
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