Confessions of a Dangerous Mind

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I'm sick and tired of the crappy excuse of some Americans for the overall image of their country. "Have you been here? No? Then STFU!!!"

Consider this metaphor. You meet a few people who have never seen the Ocean. So you show them a movie. They get into their minds how the Ocean looks like. Then you take them into a pool. They manage to cover most of the remaining areas. Of course, a pool isn't (normally) of salty water, so you could fill up a glass with water and salt it, and tell them "This is close to Ocean water". After this process they will irrevocably have a good feel of how's the Ocean, although they've never actually come close of it, right?

About now I decided to bring this into an all-out rant about many things.



1st, Islam I just saw this nifty joke about how people are making a great effort to make Islam look like the Religion of Peace while many of its followers gain prominence by blowing themselves up in the name of Allah.

Starters, they don't blow themselves up in the name of God (Allah= God, why keep the barrier? pure prejudice). They blow themselves up because of their profound hatred against this or that person/people, not because of God. God has nothing to do with the Intifada, and most Palestinians would agree on that. Most Palestinian suicide bombers don't give a crap to the Jihad. They simply live so awfully under Israeli rule they believe it's quite right to take a few Israeli lives. It's the same kind of thinking of pure suicide without homicide involved. "I live like shit. I'm going to die. Why wait?... and if I tell the Hamas I'm willing to die for the Jihad I can get an explosive belt and make my parents happy. And avenge my dead sister/brother/uncle/relatives\friends_of_whatever_kind. so.. what am I waiting for?" As you can see, God is an excuse, same as it was an excuse for the Cruzades.

Then, you want to call Islam some kind of warmonger? Look at Christianity. The Crusades, the massacres of the Byzantine Empire, the Inquisition and the colonizers of the New World.. To get some new examples, Charles Manson's Family, Jim Jones in Jonestown, the Nazis and their modern followers, the NeoNazis all around the World and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. All these examples are based off the Christian faith, as much as Hamas and Hezbollah are based off Islam. A note on Al-Quaeda. Apparently scholars aren't sure if Bin Laden is a Wahhabi or Kharijite, either way, both sect promulgate a return to the origins and strict following of the words of the Quran. Interestingly enough, the Wahhabi sect strictly bans suicide bombings, basing off Mohammed's word. Kharijites however, allow the killing of other less fundamentalist Muslims on the basis that they have betrayed the Word of Mohammad (I assume that's why Bin Laden must be a Kharijite).

One last thing. If Islamic militant organizations are hypocrite because they kill themselves agaisnt Mohammed's word of non-violence and peace, what can be said of the so-called Christian President of the United States of America, who preached an eternal war agaisnt an invisible enemy?



Putin Ex-FSB boss (formerly known as KGB). He now has enough power to be a dictator for the rest of his life (changing the constitution and being re-elected for the rest of his life, or worse :p), and his actions like bringing down a few threatening individuals seem to point that way. And guess what, he signed a Non-Agression and Cooperation Treaty with China a few years ago (no one cared at the time... dumb! now they're just signing a new one...) and now he's scheduling massive war games with his Chinese buds, where, guess what, they intervene to help them under a USA counter-invasion on Taiwan. Right at the time the USA has most of its troops deployed in Iraq.. how convenient don't you think ?

Guess what. Putin isn't dumb. He's not goanna start a nuclear war, you know why? Because no one wins a nuclear war. Its arguable if any war is really winnable, but you can get the point. He tried to further cut down the nuclear arsenal with the USA in a new START program, but you said no. So he knows there’s still no way he’s goanna win this thing in the next century. He’s certainly not a good guy, but he’s exactly what Russia needs. These exercises vastly increase the moral. Just thinking of fighting against the USA jump up the hearts of millions of Russians, especially the nostalgics from the Communist Era. That’s why he also allowed back the star for the military, and has claimed the collapse of the Soviet Union a tragedy for Russia. Because when they were called the USSR, they were mighty. At least the World thought of them as one of the two mightiest nations in the World. Even if it was with a negative connotation, everyone loves a little attention. Now they’re eclipsed by Fortress America, and they don’t like it.

And whether or not our democratic hearts like it, his iron fist over the TV and the economy is enjoyable in Russia. As some man with a thousand more lives than I said, “Putin is more liberal than most Russians.”




Last but not least, Fortress Amerika . Whether we like it or not, they’re going to stay here for a long time. Let’s check out, for example, the wannabes for sole hyperpower ruling the World.

The Russian-Chinese Consortium – Both countries are under the iron fist of ruthless powerful men. Both are trying to enlarge their spheres of influence. Both have big nuclear arsenals, essential for “enforcing” peace with potential enemies. One of them has a booming economy, while the other suffers from a prolonged economic recession that is still left unfixed. China alone hasn’t got the technology, and Russia alone hasn’t got the money, and it’s unlikely they decide on some sort of major alliance.

The European Disunion – With the UK and a few other veterans of the EU being one the most sceptics about it, it’s improbable it’ll work. The debate on Turkey is only further aggravating the gap... Germany, the biggest economy of the Euro Zone, is collapsing, along with the Euro itself, now being called as an enemy of economical development, along with the Union itself and its limiting treaties.


So, the wannabes aren’t much good. Even so, let’s dissect the USA. Growing right-wing political section, possible fascist tendencies. Schools are allowed to teach Creationism. Big Brother policies being implemented against an increasingly polarized populace, where the fear of the never-happening attack is fed by a clearly corporate controlled Government. Basically the worst imaginable that can happen both with democracy, western society and capitalism is there.

So why keep them?

As I said, there isn’t a single contestant that has earned the slot. And, all the things that happened there are a direct consequence of so much power accumulated. Any other place where the same power concentration was met, would meet the same difficulties, and probably do worst.

So, there you have it, my explanation for my views on three too discussed topics around here.
 
Good post....

Even tho I didn't read it because it's too long. :p
 
i read it all, i agree with most of it, and i also think russia and china will join forces :p
 
Tr0n said:
Good post....

Even tho I didn't read it because it's too long. :p

What would you expect from an ADD :p

KoreBolteR said:
i read it all, i agree with most of it, and i also think russia and china will join forces :p

Read it again, carefully. I explicitly say they won't. China is trying to go solo, and so is Russia. They're not going to do anything big together.
 
Sprafa said:
I'm sick and tired of the crappy excuse of some Americans for the overall image of their country. "Have you been here? No? Then STFU!!!"

Schools are allowed to teach Creationism.

Eh. The reason we say that is because a lot of the statements people make about what it's like to live here is... flat out wrong.

And public schools (ie 95% of the schools, funded by the state/federal goverment) aren't allowed to teach Creationism.

Other than that, good post.
 
Top Secret said:
Eh. The reason we say that is because a lot of the statements people make about what it's like to live here is... flat out wrong.

And public schools (ie 95% of the schools, funded by the state/federal goverment) aren't allowed to teach Creationism.

Other than that, good post.

I said "Schools are allowed to teach Creationism". That's it. You didn't refute anything in my post :p
 
I'm sick and tired of the crappy excuse of some Americans for the overall image of their country.

Re-write the first sentence. I mean, I get the just of it based upon your post, but being specific would really help. WB Sprafa! ^^

"Have you been here? No? Then STFU!!!"

Well, its true. I have'nt been to Israel, so I cant say if everyone is a "Settler" or not. I have'nt been to Portugal, so I cant generalize and believe everyone is really fond of soccer.

You see, general, just does'nt work any more. If your sick of this arguement, either answer it or live it. Surely you dont know everyone here in America -- and in general, you could say who you like, and who you would'nt like; but until you've been here, those statements have yet to be truthed by what could be your own personal experiences. Truthed in the matter, your experiences with other people happen to be as "thought", as you perceived.

Consider this metaphor. You meet a few people who have never seen the Ocean. So you show them a movie. They get into their minds how the Ocean looks like. Then you take them into a pool. They manage to cover most of the remaining areas. Of course, a pool isn't (normally) of salty water, so you could fill up a glass with water and salt it, and tell them "This is close to Ocean water". After this process they will irrevocably have a good feel of how's the Ocean, although they've never actually come close of it, right?

The Middle-Eastern crisis is a glass of home-made Salt Water, is'int it?


I also dont agree with this. If you think you've got a good idea, its probably not the best of them anyway. Come to America, and experience the love! While your out, take a cruise! :D

1st, Islam I just saw this nifty joke about how people are making a great effort to make Islam look like the Religion of Peace while many of its followers gain prominence by blowing themselves up in the name of Allah.

Well, its not so much a joke anymore. Its become a bit of reality.

Fortunately, not all islamics are like this. So I'm not going to highlight them injustly based upon what a few do. Is'int generalization a wrong thing to be doing anyway?

Starters, they don't blow themselves up in the name of God (Allah= God, why keep the barrier? pure prejudice). They blow themselves up because of their profound hatred against this or that person/people, not because of God. God has nothing to do with the Intifada, and most Palestinians would agree on that. Most Palestinian suicide bombers don't give a crap to the Jihad. They simply live so awfully under Israeli rule they believe it's quite right to take a few Israeli lives. It's the same kind of thinking of pure suicide without homicide involved. "I live like shit. I'm going to die. Why wait?... and if I tell the Hamas I'm willing to die for the Jihad I can get an explosive belt and make my parents happy. And avenge my dead sister/brother/uncle/relatives\friends_of_whatever_kind. so.. what am I waiting for?"

Yea, they are naturally suicidal. However, if everyone would've allowed Israel to basically form around Germany, giving refugee jews a place to live; as opposed to shoving them south, this whole crisis may not have been.

However, people are unwilling to solve this problem because of vengeance. If your unwilling to solve this problem because of vengeance, i.e. "No peace for Israel. Just genocide!", then you should'nt complain.

As you can see, God is an excuse, same as it was an excuse for the Cruzades.

But the Crusades failed three times. ...

Then, you want to call Islam some kind of warmonger? Look at Christianity. The Crusades, the massacres of the Byzantine Empire, the Inquisition and the colonizers of the New World.. To get some new examples, Charles Manson's Family, Jim Jones in Jonestown, the Nazis and their modern followers, the NeoNazis all around the World and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. All these examples are based off the Christian faith, as much as Hamas and Hezbollah are based off Islam.

So, I guess that settles it. Your a Palestinian Hezbollah, and im a Christian Nazi. ... I think we saw the same movie, you and I ... Tid for Tad sucks, does'nt it? Oh wait! Which movement was here first? Anti-Zionist movements, thats who! Europe had 400+ years of Anti-Semitism before Hitler's rise to power.

Its no suprise they flushed them all south into Palestine.

A note on Al-Quaeda. Apparently scholars aren't sure if Bin Laden is a Wahhabi or Kharijite, either way, both sect promulgate a return to the origins and strict following of the words of the Quran. Interestingly enough, the Wahhabi sect strictly bans suicide bombings, basing off Mohammed's word. Kharijites however, allow the killing of other less fundamentalist Muslims on the basis that they have betrayed the Word of Mohammad (I assume that's why Bin Laden must be a Kharijite).

So, this holds bar what? Did Osama behead someone now?

One last thing. If Islamic militant organizations are hypocrite because they kill themselves agaisnt Mohammed's word of non-violence and peace, what can be said of the so-called Christian President of the United States of America, who preached an eternal war agaisnt an invisible enemy?

Preached an eternal war? Now your just twisting words -- I believe the sentence was, "Bring it on."

As for invisible ... there they're. Just they're supporters want us to think they're not there. But they are. There.

So, the wannabes aren’t much good. Even so, let’s dissect the USA. Growing right-wing political section, possible fascist tendencies. Schools are allowed to teach Creationism. Big Brother policies being implemented against an increasingly polarized populace, where the fear of the never-happening attack is fed by a clearly corporate controlled Government. Basically the worst imaginable that can happen both with democracy, western society and capitalism is there.

So why keep them?

As I said, there isn’t a single contestant that has earned the slot. And, all the things that happened there are a direct consequence of so much power accumulated. Any other place where the same power concentration was met, would meet the same difficulties, and probably do worst.

What does this all, forebode?

Oh wait, I remember ...

"OMFG TEH US WILL INVADE OMFG WHERE DID TEH US GO HELP TEH UN PUTIN IS GOING CRAZY BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT KTHXBAI, HELP IRAQ NO WAIT DONT HELP IRAQ THEY DONT WANT YOU THERE, HELP PEACE IN ISRAEL AND PALESTINE, NO WAIT NO AMERICAN KNOWS WHATS GOING ON, LOOK STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA THEY NEED FOOD, WAIT YOUR FOOD IS'INT GOOD FOR THEM, HOW ABOUT MEDICINE, ON SECOND THOUGHT KTHXBAI, WILL USE OUR OWN MEDICINES TO BRING IN OUR OWN SCIENTIFIC REVENUES! QUICK WHATS THE CURE FOR AIDS?!?!"
 
Germany, the biggest economy of the Euro Zone, is collapsing, along with the Euro itself, now being called as an enemy of economical development

Unfortunatly the euro is not collapsing, it is rising, and that is way it is called the enemy of economical developement, cause it's to expensive and that sucks for our export, anyways there is not much we can do because the fault lies in the dollar and the big deficit Bush has gotten the US in.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
"OMFG TEH US WILL INVADE OMFG WHERE DID TEH US GO HELP TEH UN PUTIN IS GOING CRAZY BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT KTHXBAI, HELP IRAQ NO WAIT DONT HELP IRAQ THEY DONT WANT YOU THERE, HELP PEACE IN ISRAEL AND PALESTINE, NO WAIT NO AMERICAN KNOWS WHATS GOING ON, LOOK STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA THEY NEED FOOD, WAIT YOUR FOOD IS'INT GOOD FOR THEM, HOW ABOUT MEDICINE, ON SECOND THOUGHT KTHXBAI, WILL USE OUR OWN MEDICINES TO BRING IN OUR OWN SCIENTIFIC REVENUES! QUICK WHATS THE CURE FOR AIDS?!?!"
Ditto.
 
Then, you want to call Islam some kind of warmonger? Look at Christianity. The Crusades, the massacres of the Byzantine Empire, the Inquisition and the colonizers of the New World.. To get some new examples, Charles Manson's Family, Jim Jones in Jonestown, the Nazis and their modern followers, the NeoNazis all around the World and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. All these examples are based off the Christian faith, as much as Hamas and Hezbollah are based off Islam. A note on Al-Quaeda. Apparently scholars aren't sure if Bin Laden is a Wahhabi or Kharijite, either way, both sect promulgate a return to the origins and strict following of the words of the Quran. Interestingly enough, the Wahhabi sect strictly bans suicide bombings, basing off Mohammed's word. Kharijites however, allow the killing of other less fundamentalist Muslims on the basis that they have betrayed the Word of Mohammad (I assume that's why Bin Laden must be a Kharijite).

Exactly. All religions have done some horrid things to humanity. They use god to excuse/rationalize their atrocities.

These are crazy times we live in right now. Its been said that Bush believes that he was chosen by god to be President. In addition to that, some think the war in Iraq is actually a war between religions. Think of it as a Crusade for the modern times. Here's a quote from a staunch supporter of Bush and his policies.

In the National Review Online Ann Coulter said the following:

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

Its really no secret. They said it out in the open. :angry:

Good read btw. :)
 
satch919 said:
Here's a quote from a staunch supporter of Bush and his policies.

In the National Review Online Ann Coulter said the following:

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."

Its really no secret. They said it out in the open. :angry:

Good read btw. :)

Dude, you can't provide Ann Coulter as an example for all people who support Bush. She's the rightest of the righty right righties.
 
She's also an idiot.

Overall, neat post. As for the statement regarding the state of the US as a whole, I'm not so sure. It's fine to comment on their international affairs (which everyone invariably does), but since I don't have knowledge enough to comment on the civillian populace's overall attitude to situations or how the education system works I don't. I really don't trust statistics much myself.

And the EU is going to crumble at this rate. For example, Germany is Europe's greatest industrial contributer, but because of the Union's wealth distribution scheme they're pumping an insane amount of money towards the less fortunate members. What this translates to is, awful as it sounds, the most developed countries throwing what they can at the EU coffers while the least developed take it away.

Take Spain, or Ireland: they've long been on this international dole but they're steadily reducing their withdrawls and it seems quite reasonable that they'll quickly become contributers themselves.

The problem is that no one has ever laid down a limit to how long a nation can benefit from EU funds, and that means that the core members are rapidly becoming embittered, because from their point of view they could soon be giving handouts to a country that should've resolved its position long ago.

And yes, as a mongrel with distant ancestors in Russia, Germany, and Italy, I reserve the right to whine about Europe's current situation :p
 
He_Who_Is_Steve said:
Dude, you can't provide Ann Coulter as an example for all people who support Bush. She's the rightest of the righty right righties.


No, not all Bush supporters are like that. Its just that she's in the public spotlight all the time and she has best selling books all the time. Someone out there is reading that stuff. Fox News has her on all the time pushing some agenda or idea. If people hear that long enough, they'll start to believe it.
 
Sprafa said:
China alone hasn’t got the technology
Sure they do.

They've got the troops too. Over 200,000,000 soldiers. Many of my friends are in the Armed Forces or plan to join the Armed Forces. Continuously, I hear them discredit China's ability to sweep through Asia into Europe or where-ever they'd wish.

China and the United States I'd say are at an Atomic stalemate. But, I see no reason for a war between the United States and China.

We're both economical depentant on each other. It's not profitable for Western nations to war each other.

Sprafa said:
So, the wannabes aren’t much good. Even so, let’s dissect the USA.
That will not happen until every drop of my blood soils the ground. I would proudly be a vessel of defence in the name of democracy if my nation ever needed me.

Your opinion is your own. As my opinion is.

By the way, I'm part Azorerian, what part of Portugal are you from?
 
Sprafa said:
Read it again, carefully. I explicitly say they won't. China is trying to go solo, and so is Russia. They're not going to do anything big together.

no, im sure they have got good relations AND trading, political friends. COULD lead to a joint operation in the mere future [/possibility] lol
 
Sorry for the double post but..
nobody could beat china in a war.
in a war situation they will have 375,520,255 soldiers
around 10 million join anually
try beating that. :O
 
KoreBolteR said:
Sorry for the double post but..
nobody could beat china in a war.
in a war situation they will have 375,520,255 soldiers
around 10 million join anually
try beating that. :O

Oh God, surely you know wars aren't determined by the number of bodies you throw into the fray? :(
 
KoreBolteR said:
Sorry for the double post but..
nobody could beat china in a war.
in a war situation they will have 375,520,255 soldiers
around 10 million join anually
try beating that. :O


nukes solve the problem :p
 
GiaOmerta said:
Sure they do.

They've got the troops too. Over 200,000,000 soldiers. Many of my friends are in the Armed Forces or plan to join the Armed Forces. Continuously, I hear them discredit China's ability to sweep through Asia into Europe or where-ever they'd wish.

China and the United States I'd say are at an Atomic stalemate. But, I see no reason for a war between the United States and China.

Look at their fighters, tanks and basically most of their technology. No matter how many troops they have, basically 90% of the state of the art tech they have is stolen. I'm not saying they don't develop technology, I'm saying they don't have the basis (yet) for continued technological development.



GiaOmerta said:
By the way, I'm part Azorerian, what part of Portugal are you from?

North> Minho> Guimarães.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
Well, its true. I have'nt been to Israel, so I cant say if everyone is a "Settler" or not. I have'nt been to Portugal, so I cant generalize and believe everyone is really fond of soccer.

you can look at the ocean (polls), taste a cup of salty water (meet a portuguese) and dive in the pool (local news). You'll get a pretty good view.

K e r b e r o s said:
You see, general, just does'nt work any more. If your sick of this arguement, either answer it or live it. Surely you dont know everyone here in America -- and in general, you could say who you like, and who you would'nt like; but until you've been here, those statements have yet to be truthed by what could be your own personal experiences. Truthed in the matter, your experiences with other people happen to be as "thought", as you perceived.

It always works. If 90% of the populace drinks 2 beers a day in average, then I can generalize and say that the vast majority does. What you're talking about is empiricism. Empiricism states that all knowledge comes from experience. Knowledge comes from observation, experience and human reasoning (philosophers of course, still argue about such things, but I'm not in the mood).


K e r b e r o s said:
But the Crusades failed three times. ...

I gave you a vast amount of other examples :p



kerberos said:
So, I guess that settles it. Your a Palestinian Hezbollah, and im a Christian Nazi. ... I think we saw the same movie, you and I ... Tid for Tad sucks, does'nt it? Oh wait! Which movement was here first? Anti-Zionist movements, thats who! Europe had 400+ years of Anti-Semitism before Hitler's rise to power.

Its no suprise they flushed them all south into Palestine.

I don't minimally understand the logic of "who's here first".


K e r b e r o s said:
Preached an eternal war? Now your just twisting words -- I believe the sentence was, "Bring it on."

I believe the sentence was "Our war on terror begins with al-Qaida, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated."


K e r b e r o s said:
"OMFG TEH US WILL INVADE OMFG WHERE DID TEH US GO HELP TEH UN PUTIN IS GOING CRAZY BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT KTHXBAI, HELP IRAQ NO WAIT DONT HELP IRAQ THEY DONT WANT YOU THERE, HELP PEACE IN ISRAEL AND PALESTINE, NO WAIT NO AMERICAN KNOWS WHATS GOING ON, LOOK STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA THEY NEED FOOD, WAIT YOUR FOOD IS'INT GOOD FOR THEM, HOW ABOUT MEDICINE, ON SECOND THOUGHT KTHXBAI, WILL USE OUR OWN MEDICINES TO BRING IN OUR OWN SCIENTIFIC REVENUES! QUICK WHATS THE CURE FOR AIDS?!?!"

I'll respond to this the same way wikipedia does. "This article or section is about a current event. Information may change rapidly."
 
Maui said:
Oh God, surely you know wars aren't determined by the number of bodies you throw into the fray? :(

aye but LOOK at the scale of how much men they got like 10:1
ambushed everywhere
tech cudnt beat that, sadly :(
 
Yeah but remember china is dictatorial country, it is getting better, but it's still dictatotial, now a war would make em more nationalistic but they would still need a large force like they do now to keep the county in obidience, and then you have to remember that a big army still needs to be fed and that is going to take a lot of their resources, then there is oil, the US controls Iraq and SA, so that would be a problem, furthermore the US a long way from china, US could use hit and run tactics to thin their numbers. This is all offcourse only if none of them decides to use nukes.
 
Tr0n said:
Good post....

Even tho I didn't read it because it's too long. :p
hehe, me too. But from what I read it was good.
 
I don't get this "big post" syndrom :| READ IT! or don't post
 
Sprafa said:
It always works. If 90% of the populace drinks 2 beers a day in average, then I can generalize and say that the vast majority does. What you're talking about is empiricism. Empiricism states that all knowledge comes from experience. Knowledge comes from observation, experience and human reasoning (philosophers of course, still argue about such things, but I'm not in the mood).
No matter how credible the source, if all your information comes second hand, you only know what other people tell you.
 
This thread title sounds like a title they would use in a movie. :LOL:
 
He_Who_Is_Steve said:
No matter how credible the source, if all your information comes second hand, you only know what other people tell you.

So you shouldn't believe anything other people tell you ?

how wonderful. Please picture a World where no one believes in anyone. Call me back when you're done.

Tr0n said:
This thread title sounds like a title they would use in a movie. :LOL:

They already did. :upstare:
 
Sprafa said:
So you shouldn't believe anything other people tell you ?

how wonderful. Please picture a World where no one believes in anyone. Call me back when you're done.
Blow my statement out of proportion. No, I'm saying that you can believe people, and yes, you can get a general idea of something from secondhand information, but it's still secondhand. So, you can't know, you can only hear, and think.
 
you can look at the ocean (polls), taste a cup of salty water (meet a portuguese) and dive in the pool (local news). You'll get a pretty good view.

However, you cannot compare physical continents, let alone physical people you dont all know, to water having similiar watery like goodness.

You could see and hear all you like, and you still dont know everyone here in America. You could think you know, as you brought up the point of observation and Scientific Method, but that however still requires a physical test for your theories to become correct.

Assuming you know this, perhaps you should come to America and find out. Scientific Research, compromises of controls, theories, observations, and physical excavations or research into the topic. You've got some research, you dont have many options for controls, you've got plenty of theories, yet you've ran no physical test to prove what you said, or hope to believe is correct, happens to be correct.

You've got one last step -- and thats coming to America and find out on a personal level.

It always works. If 90% of the populace drinks 2 beers a day in average, then I can generalize and say that the vast majority does. What you're talking about is empiricism. Empiricism states that all knowledge comes from experience. Knowledge comes from observation, experience and human reasoning (philosophers of course, still argue about such things, but I'm not in the mood).

Course, it makes it even harder to assume what your generalizing about.

However, lets also assume, that the same methods you used to generalize about the United States, I could use to generalize about Portugal. Again, Generalizing does'nt mean truth -- it just means cut down to a basic understanding.

Basically, you dont anything about every American on a personal level -- thats my charge to you.

I gave you a vast amount of other examples

Vast, and only what? Three paragraphs? :p

I don't minimally understand the logic of "who's here first".

I tried to post based upon what you left with me here. If its confusion your receiving, perhaps you should retype your post and be a little bit more specific to your point. :imu:

I believe the sentence was "Our war on terror begins with al-Qaida, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated."

So, this means what in your mind?

Be specific, please.

I'll respond to this the same way wikipedia does. "This article or section is about a current event. Information may change rapidly."

I dont understand this logic -- particularly, because of wikipedia's random involvement. Without it, its still very blank on addressal.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
However, you cannot compare physical continents, let alone physical people you dont all know, to water having similiar watery like goodness.

I can make any comparison I see fit.

K e r b e r o s said:
You've got one last step -- and thats coming to America and find out on a personal level.

Been on my plans for quite some time, thank you very much.




K e r b e r o s said:
However, lets also assume, that the same methods you used to generalize about the United States, I could use to generalize about Portugal. Again, Generalizing does'nt mean truth -- it just means cut down to a basic understanding.

You can and you must generalize. It's not good, no, but NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW EVERYONE & EVERYTHING and even if they did that wouldn't mean they have the truth about ANYTHING.

K e r b e r o s said:
Basically, you dont anything about every American on a personal level -- thats my charge to you.

ooooh..please...
So for anyone to take my opinion as true, I have to know every American on a personal level ? C'mon, that's absolute BS.


K e r b e r o s said:
I tried to post based upon what you left with me here. If its confusion your receiving, perhaps you should retype your post and be a little bit more specific to your point. :imu:

You said that Anti-semitism were here first. I don't understand WTF that has to do with anything.



K e r b e r o s said:
So, this means what in your mind?

Be specific, please.

There are too many terrorist movements to end with the War on Terror in the next millenia.



K e r b e r o s said:
I dont understand this logic -- particularly, because of wikipedia's random involvement. Without it, its still very blank on addressal.

You tried to charge me of changing my mind too often (undecided).




I'm tired of this meaningless argument.
 
I can make any comparison I see fit.
There are too many terrorist movements to end with the War on Terror in the next millenia.

I see. However, this could've been posted without water as a comparison ... for whatever point you were trying to make earlier.

Been on my plans for quite some time, thank you very much.

Good. Perhaps you should stay awhile and make some friends aswell. Were not all bad people.

So for anyone to take my opinion as true, I have to know every American on a personal level ? C'mon, that's absolute BS.

Well, except on the notion you generalized about an entire country you've not lived in or visited for a long time. Since its in your planning, yet you've still maintained you know "Everything there is to know" based upon a cup full of water and salt, its still a valid charge thats not yet impossible.

That is unless, you forget the cup comparison.
 
I know several Americans, and a few are my friends.
 
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