Cop gives girl in coma jaywalking tiicket after she's hit by car

[CptStern]

Getting hit by a car apparently isn't punishment enough for jaywalking in Las Vegas. After 13-year-old Takara Davis was struck by a car while walking home from school earlier this week, police handed her mother a jaywalking citation as her daughter was being rushed to emergency surgery. The 8th-grader remains in a medically-induced coma.

"He said, 'Takara was jaywalking. She has got to go to court on March 6th,'" her mother told 8 News. "If she was jaywalking, then she was jaywalking. But maybe you give it to me at a later time. Don't give it to me when they are rushing her into the operating room."

and then they wonder why they're hated

A police spokesman said officers "conduct themselves in a professional and compassionate way" and "wouldn't do anything deliberately insensitive."

lol who you trying to kid?

http://www.newser.com/story/109203/girl-in-coma-gets-jaywalking-ticket.html

 

[Stormy]

lol idiots.

 

[Stigmata]

lol who you trying to kid?

I think they're trying to admit that they're functionally incapable of performing their job to specifications, in a way that doesn't make them lose their jobs. In this way, they will continue to not be the bad guy.

 

[CptStern]

the day of my brother's 17th birthday he didnt come home that night. instead the police knocked on my parents door at 5am. they said my brother had been stabbed and grilled my mom about what his "gang affiliation" was. the cops said he was stabbed in what was most likely a gang fight.

his friends took him to the hospital where he was interrogated by the cops who were alerted by the ER staff ("possible stab wounds"). he was pretty shitfaced so didnt know what was going on. instead of getting to the bottom of what happened the cops decided to intimidate my mother by scaring her into believing he had been in a gang fight.

turns out he impaled himself climbing a fence on the way home but was too drunk/stupid to notice

sensitivity my ass

 

[Sheepo]

All cops are terrible people.

 

[The Monkey]

Jaywalking is a crime in the states?

 

[15357]

I like police officers as a rule of thumb. Authority figures and all that. But I'm going to admit that some of those figures are clearly not fit to serve the public good.

Jaywalking is a crime in the states?

You mean to say that it's not, or it shouldn't be? Because you know, traffic codes exists for a reason.

 

[VirusType2]

Jaywalking is a crime in the states?

It's not a big deal, but they can charge you for it. Generally it would be used (like in the movies) to have an excuse to question someone who may be a suspect of other crimes. "You smell like alcohol/marijuana..." etc.

The reason she was charged with it: otherwise, the driver would be charged with something and the driver's insurance would have to pay for it, making their insurance rate skyrocket as well.

I mean, it seems obvious to me, but it's not like I ever read the articles in these threads. So, whatever.

 

[Cornerstone]

It is easy to gain favour when speaking of such an event with an such an emotional context. Nobody would support the drug addict who sues after stepping in front of a vehicle (other side of same coin). These laws exist for a reason, for the safety of the pedestrian and motor vehicle operator. Decide on knowledge, not emotion.

 

[Stigmata]

She was in shock, surely that should invalidate the charge.

 

[Warped]

I love all these stories you hear about cops who ruin peoples lives but everyday the ones where the cops actually save a life or rescue someone from danger and didly squat.

...just saying

 

[Krynn72]

I love all these stories you hear about cops who ruin peoples lives but everyday the ones where the cops actually save a life or rescue someone from danger and didly squat.

...just saying

Whats the point of you saying "just saying?"

As if we didn't know what you were doing.

 

[Danimal]

The kid jay-walked, the officers most likely have the evidence to go through with the fine. You people are against blood-related prisoners giving each other kidneys to get out of jail, yet if somebody suffers the consequence of their own actions (Breaking a common law that is most likely placed to prevent people getting hit by cars in the first place) they should be let off scott-free?

I see nothing atypical about this.

 

[Bad^Hat]

It is easy to gain favour when speaking of such an event with an such an emotional context. Nobody would support the drug addict who sues after stepping in front of a vehicle (other side of same coin). These laws exist for a reason, for the safety of the pedestrian and motor vehicle operator. Decide on knowledge, not emotion.

The kid jay-walked, the officers most likely have the evidence to go through with the fine. You people are against blood-related prisoners giving each other kidneys to get out of jail, yet if somebody suffers the consequence of their own actions (Breaking a common law that is most likely placed to prevent people getting hit by cars in the first place) they should be let off scott-free?

I see nothing atypical about this.

I'm rereading the thread and I don't see anyone explicitly saying "she shouldn't have been charged," except maybe Stig but I'm not sure. Seems like people are more concerned with the utterly insensitive manner with which the police conducted themselves, which is completely justified. Was it the girl's own dumb fault? Sure, but spare her mother the added stress of dealing with this shit while her only concern should be for her daughter's safety.

 

[staticprimer]

Oh look, another anti-cop thread by stern. Though I often don't disagree with you, this is getting to be very predictable. The majority of police are not bad. The majority of police who make the news are bad, however.

 

[Eejit]

Jay-walking may be alright in principle but having visited the U.S. a few times I've always found it to be particularly pedestrian unfriendly. The numbers of official marked crossings seemed unrealistically limited and distant given they had criminalised crossing a road elsewhere.

 

[VirusType2]

I just hate roads with no sidewalk. It's outright dangerous in many places. So many, many miles of roads here, I guess is the reason.

I swear I've nearly hit a bicyclist so many times. Sheer luck that I didn't, perhaps - despite the 'glowy' decals that don't work that well. They have to ride on the edge of the road, and they expect you can see them.

 

[Escaep]

Jay-walking may be alright in principle but having visited the U.S. a few times I've always found it to be particularly pedestrian unfriendly. The numbers of official marked crossings seemed unrealistically limited and distant given they had criminalised crossing a road elsewhere.

Usually they are only at every intersection. But if you're between intersections and want to cross the street you're best bet is to say your prayers and try to not get hit by a car and go into a coma.

I just hate roads with no sidewalk. It's outright dangerous in many places. So many, many miles of roads here, I guess is the reason.

I swear I've nearly hit a bicyclist so many times. Sheer luck that I didn't, perhaps - despite the 'glowy' decals that don't work that well. They have to ride on the edge of the road, and they expect you can see them.

What I hate more is when there is a sidewalk and people still insist on riding their bikes/walking/running/skipping RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD.

I love all these stories you hear about cops who ruin peoples lives but everyday the ones where the cops actually save a life or rescue someone from danger and didly squat.

...just saying

Its the same as hearing "evil soldiers kill innocent woman." You hear those more on the news/hl2.net than you do "soldier jumps on grenade to save fellow soldiers" or "soldiers rescue civilians from gunfight" or "soldiers dance and sing with civilians handing out teddy bears and lollipops eating ice cream around the campfire."

 

[Stigmata]

Dorp, I didn't read the article (only just now realising this is not summarylife2.net) and thought that the woman had done her jaywalking after being hit by said car. I still think she shouldn't be charged, because actually getting hit is the punishment - tickets are just a negative reinforcement for people who don't get hit.

 

[Bad^Hat]

I'm not going to comment on the charge itself, since that's just the police "doing their job," but taking her to court over it does seem excessive. That said, it could have been somewhat traumatic for the driver who hit her, assuming they weren't also negligent.

 

[Cornerstone]

There we have different matter. The mother should not have to go to court or deal with a child in ICU or dead. In such a circumstance she would be the minority. Most get dealt the charges after the event and it is very difficult to change this for the few "innocent". Once again I take this as an emotional event. Don't judge context from one side and not the other. I am positive that the police were not glorified or happy with such a result.

 

[Acepilotf14]

Law is law. Just because she got hit by a car(BECAUSE SHE JAY WALKED) doesn't mean she shouldn't pay the penalty.

 

[Maestro]

Can we have a thread where all of this is put instead of starting a new one for each and every offense a public servant makes?

 

[unozero]

lol stern exposed again.

 

[Danimal]

Can we have a thread where all of this is put instead of starting a new one for each and every offense a public servant makes?

COP DUMP I (All Posts Must Contain Visual Evidence)

 

[Sheepo]

Law is law. Just because she got hit by a car(BECAUSE SHE JAY WALKED) doesn't mean she shouldn't pay the penalty.

The fact is, she's paying a tremendous penalty already. Circumstances matter. That's why some people get life and other people get a few years for what is the same crime in the lawbook.

 

[Ren.182]

Yeah, I doubt she will jaywalk again if she makes it D: I'd be scared crapless of roads after such an incident.

 

[Krynn72]

Law is law. Just because she got hit by a car(BECAUSE SHE JAY WALKED) doesn't mean she shouldn't pay the penalty.

Yeah, f*ck the intent of the law!

So lets say someone swerves to avoid an accident in front of them. We should give them a ticket for making an unsafe lane change and reckless driving? Don't be an idiot. Saying stupid shit like "law is law" doesnt mean every instance of illegal action should be punished.

 

[unozero]

That arrangement doesn't work in this case.
It;s not the girl was jaywlaking to avoid being hit on the sidewalk. She was probably being lazy.
Anyways it's not like she is going to get arrested,her parents will have to pay a fine and that's it.

 

[morgs]

There's no point in using a fine for punishment if the girl has already been punished enough, being hit by a car would surely be more of a deterrent than a fine?

 

[Krynn72]

That arrangement doesn't work in this case.
It;s not the girl was jaywlaking to avoid being hit on the sidewalk. She was probably being lazy.
Anyways it's not like she is going to get arrested,her parents will have to pay a fine and that's it.

What if the guy swerving to avoid the accident then hit another car? My point is that Ace was suggesting that the law is absolute, and that it should be followed to the letter, without having any regard for the intent of the law. In this case, the intent of the law is to deter people from walking across the street in areas not specifically marked for it. I really don't think a fine will be a better deterrence measure than being in a coma after getting hit.

 

[Sheepo]

Anyways it's not like she is going to get arrested,her parents will have to pay a fine and that's it.

The point being: Her parents should not have to pay a fine.

 

[unozero]

Well I disagree.

So where only gonna charge you with a misdemeanor if nothing happens while you commit an infraction but we won't charge you if something does happen? yes?
sounds silly imho

 

[Sheepo]

But why would you? It's like Krann says, the point of the punishment is to discourage the person from breaking that law, which the injuries she sustained surely did tenfold. Without the possibility of teaching her a lesson, the only thing that comes from a fine is the state taking money from the family of the horribly injured girl. If she had died, do you think her parents should still have been fined? The law would still have been broken.

 

[Sir Phoenixx]

I swear I've nearly hit a bicyclist so many times. Sheer luck that I didn't, perhaps - despite the 'glowy' decals that don't work that well. They have to ride on the edge of the road, and they expect you can see them.

What I hate more is when there is a sidewalk and people still insist on riding their bikes/walking/running/skipping RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD.

Well, in many/most states it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk, they're supposed to ride on the right edge of the street (unless making a left turn).

 

[CptStern]

Oh look, another anti-cop thread by stern. Though I often don't disagree with you, this is getting to be very predictable. The majority of police are not bad. The majority of police who make the news are bad, however.

so what's the problem here? this is a thread about when cops do something bad

I love all these stories you hear about cops who ruin peoples lives but everyday the ones where the cops actually save a life or rescue someone from danger and didly squat.

...just saying

I dont understand this sentiment. so should I have added a disclaimer? should I have started another thread to offset this one where a cop saves a kitten in a tree? but seriously why does it need to be said that cops do good? it's their freakin job to uphold the law; it's a given that they do good so why does it need to be said in every police related thread? why is it exclusive to cops? every time glenn beck says something stupid am I supposed to also include every single instance where he says something that isnt stupid? (admittedly that would be difficult to do). and by extension does that hold true of the media as well?

"Headline: Police department is insensitive/police department gives toys to tots"

"Police department gives girl in coma jay walking ticket as she's wheeled into the operating room. Police participated in the annual toys for tots christmas drive. the girl's mother was distraught that she was given a traffic ticket. $10,000 worth of toys were handed out by the chief of police on christmas eve. A police department spokesperson stressed that the police routinely have sensitivity training. Bring unwrapped toys to the girl was in a coma after being hit by ole saint nick delivered it himself doctors say her chances of recovering are fair""

 

[Stigmata]

Well I disagree.

So where only gonna charge you with a misdemeanor if nothing happens while you commit an infraction but we won't charge you if something does happen? yes?
sounds silly imho

The charges are disincentives. They say "Hey, doing this might kill you, but since humans are ****ing horrible at learning abstract lessons, here's a real-life consequence in the form of a fine so you'll know not to do it again."

This is how the law works. You don't lay it down by the letter, you lay it down by its intent. The intent of jaywalking laws and charges is to make people not jaywalk. If you get hit by a car - you now know not to jaywalk, because you got hit by a car.

Sorry for the antagonism, I'm really frustrated right now.

 

[Danimal]

There's no point in using a fine for punishment if the girl has already been punished enough, being hit by a car would surely be more of a deterrent than a fine?

You can technically use that to justify corporal punishment.

"There's no point giving fines to the people, they'll just do it again. Let's him them with cars."

 

[McGooTheWise]

It all goes to the state/government, so they'd fine the pope for going under the speed limit if they had the right excuse. The poor old bastard. He's already got a stupid looking ride, hat, and can't go anywhere by himself... And they give him a ticket. Of course. It's money to them. They don't give a damn what your condition is, or if it's a cop that caused it. Asking the government for compassion is a waste of precious oxygen.