Counterstrike and Real Life Terrorism

[Sidedraft]

-I did a quick glance at the forum and didn't see any topic like this, so I thought I'd ask.

What is your opinion on the idea of playing Counterstrike in real life terroristic events,
For example: You would load up the map Boston Marathon, and try to prevent or make the bombing happen.
other things could be like:
-A somalian pirate/ "Captain Phillips"/ hijacked freighter
-The Munich Massacre
-etc

Personally, I think this a great idea..............................If you're a C/T. Why? Because, you'd be living a part of history, and trying to make a change for the better, saving peoples life. Real people in real life actually did this.
..........The problems start to come when you look at the Terrorist team, because just like the above said, these "were" real people, and your simulating killing real people that may have died in those circumstances.

With all that said, I'd like to point out wargames ,(mostly pre-COD4), these were games where you actually fought a real war, a war where lots of real people did die, Perhaps some purely innocent. .....but yet its okay somehow, And thats where the confusion starts. Its seems okay in wargames if there are bad people(dem Nazies) killing innocent people(jews), but for some reason it doesn't feel right to do it as a terrorist.

 

[Sidedraft]

And i suppose in games involving Nazi's, you're not directly killing jews.....while as a Terrorist you would be actively and directly trying to harm innocents.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

This won't happen but sure, why not.

I'm joking nsa

 

[Sidedraft]

You know a mission that might be really fun?

Zero Dark Thirty

Can you imagine taking the secret classified heli's into Bin Laden's house jumping down and going in to kill him? . I imagined it be kind of like one team protects the V.I.P, while the other team tries to kill him. And his death means instant lose for the Terrorists.

 

[Larry Brent]

Rather difficult question to answer unambigously. For me CS is the commonly accepted reference title of strategic shooters as its fictional character of setting and maps are not directly inspired by real life counterparts. By modifying the game towards realistic settings could make it easier for critics to blame the game for being polarizing and maybe urging crimes in real life...
On the side of pro arguments is that immersion would be greater, as of possibility of better identification. But what are the benefits you'd expect from such idea?

 

[Krynn72]

For me CS is the commonly accepted reference title of strategic shooters

What?

This is an unequivocally bad idea, and anybody who entertains the idea that its not has no social life and has never met anybody in real life who was upset or affected by these incidents. Because if you had, you would know how incredibly piss-poor taste such a thing would be in.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK:_Reloaded

 

[Larry Brent]

What?

This is an unequivocally bad idea, and anybody who entertains the idea that its not has no social life and has never met anybody in real life who was upset or affected by these incidents.

The game for itself has its focus on strategy in comparison to similar multiplayer shooters and yes, of course there is a problem domain regarding real life incidents, that's exatcly what I wanted to emphasize.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Don't mind the dog, he's all bark.

 

[Krynn72]

The game for itself has its focus on strategy

Son, I don't believe you've ever played a strategic shooter. And the second part of my post wasn't directed at you, but to people who think it "could be a good idea".

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Strategy =/= Realism

The skill cap on CS is non-existent, it requires an enormous amount of strategy while being played competitively. The same obviously stands for "realistic" games. It's a futile argument. Hell, Chess is an enormously strategic game based on military actions.

 

[Sidedraft]

The reason I asked all of this.......is because it's kinda already a reality.

I present you with this: A workshop map of the Boston Marathon.
(http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=143814997)

When I first saw this on the workshop it got me thinking, so I decided to post.
As for Krynn, Yes Perhaps it may be insensitive, but is it anymore insensitive then bring back Nazi's in world war 2 video games, Nazi's who genuinely believed that Jews were the plague of the earth and should be dealt with in that manner? May I also point out that sure, they may not come frequently, but sometimes terroristic attacks are successful stopped by highly skilled Anti-terrorism units with literally no loss of innocent life. If thats the case, is it still insensitive?

(And lastly, Were on a News website dedicated to the newest information on videogames ............We don't have a social life )

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Hence my link to JFK Reloaded, which was an act of domestic terrorism recreated as an indie title. There's also games which recreate the rescue mission in Somalia, the Gulf Wars, the Columbine Shooting, and MP shooters which allow you to play as Jihadists warring in Egypt/Lebanon/Syria/Iraq/Iran and Pakistan.

A prime example of this right now is Insurgency. Krynn was having one of his pawjerk reactions, don't mind it. We'll be seeing more of this sort of things in gaming as time progresses.

 

[Aizawa]

this is a stupid Idea. What is fun about replaying a horrible event? You serious? In a war game, its war, its mostly soldiers vs soldiers, of course what CoD sometimes does is stupid too but thats not much.

 

[Vegeta897]

Strategy =/= Realism

The skill cap on CS is non-existent, it requires an enormous amount of while being played competitively. The same obviously stands for "realistic" games. It's a futile argument. Hell, Chess is an enormously strategic game based on military actions.

I don't think Krynn was talking about realism. I think he meant that general pub play in CS (which is what this thread idea is about, really) is just as devoid of strategy as multiplayer CoD. Of course competitive play is where strategy becomes very real, but that can apply to any game. Even CoD.

In the end here's why CS isn't really about strategy: you are most rewarded for your twitch skills in CS over your general strategy. Being able to get headshots consistently will always be more valuable than any tactics. It's why the pros always use specifically tuned mice and game settings.

 

[Mogi67]

A 9/11 map in CS would be dope

 

[ShinRa]

A 9/11 map in CS would be dope

They did something like this already. You fight on top of the twin towers. It's fun only because of the layout and the fact you're so high up. It's sorta discomforting though when you realize you're virtually shooting people on a building that was involved in the biggest attack on America in history.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

A 9/11 map in CS would be dope

Uh, not really. That was a cut and dry horrendous act of devastating tyranny with no gunfire or live combat and the destruction was directed entirely towards innocent civilians. It would be the worst, not to mention most tasteless, CS map ever.

 

[Mogi67]

Uh, not really. That was a cut and dry horrendous act of devastating tyranny with no gunfire or live combat and the destruction was directed entirely towards innocent civilians. It would be the worst, not to mention most tasteless, CS map ever.

There was live combat man I guess you didn't see that missile that hit the pentagon

 

[Sidedraft]

There was live combat man I guess you didn't see that missile that hit the pentagon

But that was a terrorist attack with almost no (visible) anti-terrorism unit presence involved. There were no C/T's on the planes. There we're no C/T's in the pentagon, There were no C/T's in the twin towers. SO YOU WOULD be playing on a map where there was only one team.....and then it's no longer playing, and then its pointless.
Ergo 9/11 would not equal a dope map.
(assuming you're talking about the 9/11 terrorist attacks which is what this thread is about)
({if you're just talking about a twin towers map, Then yeah, what ShinRa said.})

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

There was no missile. I feel sad for people who actually believe that rubbish. He's a troll.

Also one missile strike in an MP shooter = fun some how? Even if he was being serious still stupid.

 

[Vegeta897]

Are we really talking about this?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Yes, it's come to this. /aims gun at head

 

[Mogi67]

Yes, it's come to this. /aims gun at head

That would be a good map too

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

No denying that one.

 

[MFL]

Some people get off on other peoples discomfort or the idea that whatever they are doing is distasteful to someone. This has no effect on me. If they want to do that, I am not forced to partake. I do not care.


That being said, if you think twiddling your fingers in a computer chair serves as an analog for combat, you are pretty deluded.

Who gives a shit about what other people do for entertainment value. Do what you like.

 

[Krynn72]

Strategy =/= Realism

The skill cap on CS is non-existent, it requires an enormous amount of strategy while being played competitively. The same obviously stands for "realistic" games. It's a futile argument. Hell, Chess is an enormously strategic game based on military actions.

"Strategy Shooter" is a genre in and of itself. Just because we come up with certain strategies to shave time off our trial runs in DIRT 2, doesn't mean DIRT 2 is a "Strategy dirt racing game". Strategy shooters are things like (the old) Rainbow Six games, (the old) Ghost Recons, (the old) SOCOM. CS is a shooter, not a Strategy Shooter.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Uh, okay man, whatever you say.

 

[ShinRa]

Well, that escalated quickly.

 

[kalibilli]

its totaly difrent what hapen in daily life

 

[Vegeta897]

Kalibilli dropping true knowledge.

 

[Omnomnick]

They did something like this already. You fight on top of the twin towers. It's fun only because of the layout and the fact you're so high up.

Uh, not really. That was a cut and dry horrendous act of devastating tyranny with no gunfire or live combat and the destruction was directed entirely towards innocent civilians. It would be the worst, not to mention most tasteless, CS map ever.

Good thing it's a map for HL2: DM, not Counter-Strike. See?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Haha, that was actually on the rotation of a HL2DM server I used to regular. It didn't even click that it was a 9/11 thing.

 

[ShinRa]

Good thing it's a map for HL2: DM, not Counter-Strike. See?

Ah...yes. Ok...I was slightly confused on my valve games then. But yeah that's the map. And it's actually a lot of fun to play on!

 

[Omnomnick]

Ah...yes. Ok...I was slightly confused on my valve games then. But yeah that's the map. And it's actually a lot of fun to play on!

Hopefully what I said didn't sound too confrontational, it was originally a joke connected to an image I posted below, but the link broke.

 

[ShinRa]

Hopefully what I said didn't sound too confrontational, it was originally a joke connected to an image I posted below, but the link broke.

I don't think our friendship will ever be the same. If you should be engulfed in flames, I will consider throwing more petrol onto your balls.