Dad sells Guitar hero 3 for $9000 after son caught smoking pot

[Cheomesh]

Yep. And that goes for both: the child and the guy stupid enough to pay $9000.

Agreed.

 

[Sanada]

Is Guitar Hero III really that hard to get making someone pay $9000 for it? :|

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

No. Not at all. Still funny as Hell though.

 

[-Psy-]

Nintendo Wii gameboard.

I want one. I may not know what it is but I know that I want one.

 

[Vegeta897]

all those with parenting experience please raise their hand ...


/raises hand

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4294/stern5vubyqueevergl0.png

but you go right ahead and throw in your two cents

I'll give my two cents whenever I please, because that's just what my opinion is... two cents. Apparantly you don't understand the expression? Did I say my opinion was the most, or only, correct one? You don't have to be a parent to have an opinion about child raising.

 

[Raziaar]

all those with parenting experience please raise their hand ...


/raises hand

Since when do you have to be a parent to have reasonable opinions on how to raise a child, or how parents should discipline their children?

You saying that doesn't make his arguments any less valid. It accomplishes nothing.

 

[Jintor]

all those with parenting experience please raise their hand ...

/raises hand
I'm not expecting someone who himself is barely out of his childhood to understand how to be an effective parent. Opening up his son to ridicule is not the way to prevent him from smoking pot, he's just addressing the fact that he caught his son smoking not the underlying issues of smoking pot and why it's seemingly wrong ..his method of discipline does nothing except reinforce the idea that next time the son should hide it better

but you go right ahead and throw in your two cents without having a shred of insight into what it takes to raise a child because this is the internets and you cant swing a cat without hitting an ignorant misinformed opinion

What should he have done instead? :/

 

[Cheomesh]

Stern...wow. Holy hell, man.

 

[CptStern]

I'll give my two cents whenever I please, because that's just what my opinion is... two cents. Apparantly you don't understand the expression? Did I say my opinion was the most, or only, correct one? You don't have to be a parent to have an opinion about child raising.

Since when do you have to be a parent to have reasonable opinions on how to raise a child, or how parents should discipline their children?

You saying that doesn't make his arguments any less valid. It accomplishes nothing.
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do you guys consult each other before posting? it's like you're my own personal fan-base only in reverse


I can give my opinions on how to build an aircraft but as a lay person that doesnt make my opinion valid ..and I didnt say you cant have an opinion, I said your opinion on child rearing is not valid because you're not drawing on experience, it's all second hand at best

 

[Vegeta897]

You have experience raising a teenager who smokes weed? No.

I know what you said. I disagree completely, that you are able to say my opinion is "invalid" just because you think you know better than me automatically.

 

[Raziaar]

Yes, because parenting is highly sophisticated aviation structural engineering that requires degrees.

It doesn't matter who said it, I would of said what I said either way.

 

[CptStern]

You have experience raising a teenager who smokes weed? No.

the methodology is the same regardless of age ..the tactics may be modified but essentially it's the same ..something you'd know if you had experience rasing children

I know what you said. I disagree completely, that you are able to say my opinion is "invalid" just because you think you know better than me automatically.

I do, there is no disputing this, I have experience you dont ..I'l be sure to mention the validity of experience the next time I visit the doctor "cancer? I think it's just a skin rash, my pov is just as valid as yours"

Yes, because parenting is highly sophisticated aviation structural engineering that requires degrees.

yes you're right, any tom dick or harry can be a parent ...being a good parent is something diferent entirely ...and yet again you miss the point

It doesn't matter who said it, I would of said what I said either way.

sure you would

 

[Vegeta897]

Yes because diagnosing a disease that either you have or don't have and that can be proven you have, is the same thing as having an opinion on how children should be raised.

We're not discussing facts here, Stern. I'm sure there are plenty of parents who would agree with my opinion. The fact that you are more experienced doesn't mean anyone who isn't experienced is wrong.

This is a simple case of "widdle annoying veggie" disagreeing with you, having his own opinion, a completely sensible valid one, and you, throwing your "i'm a parent damnit I have more experience" (see image) in attempt to make yourself sound far more right than I could ever hope to be. Stop the immaturity and face the fact that yours isn't the only opinion that matters.

And also, how would you know raising a child is the same as raising a teen if you've never raised a teen.

Notice how I don't call YOUR opinion invalid for the fact that you haven't raised a teen.

 

[Raziaar]

yes you're right, any tom dick or harry can be a parent ...being a good parent is something diferent entirely ...and yet again you miss the point

No. I don't miss the point. You don't have to be a parent and have parenting experience to have sound and logical ideas of how a parent should raise a child. That's preposterous.

People have this ability to observe and make good judgments based on what they see in culture, read from books, or what have you.

Just like you can have an opinion on foreign wars and foreign policy without having a career in politics, people can have opinions on parenting that can be incredibly valid and hold sound advice. What you might learn from being a parent, I can learn from a pool of resources about proper ways of raising a child.

Don't be ridiculous. And don't shoot down everybody's opinions simply because you have kids. My ideas on how to raise a kid are just as valid as yours. There are people out there who have kids that raise them much more improperly than I ever would. That alone puts your argument into the disposal.

 

[CptStern]

Yes because diagnosing a disease that either you have or don't have and that can be proven you have, is the same thing as having an opinion on how children should be raised.

you either have the ability or you dont ...their is a parrallel to my anology

We're not discussing facts here, Stern. I'm sure there are plenty of parents who would agree with my opinion.

what opinion? you havent stated anything except to disagree with my opinion ..you have given any indication of what should have been done

The fact that you are more experienced doesn't mean anyone who isn't experienced is wrong.

no but they're less right than someone who's experience tells them otherwise ..I really dont understand how anyone can argue that opinions are equally valid irregardless of experience, that's just crazy talk

No. I don't miss the point. You don't have to be a parent and have parenting experience to have sound and logical ideas of how a parent should raise a child. That's preposterous.

please explain why your pov is at all valid, explain what and how you drew your conclusions ..surely you'll be able to point something other than "gut instinct" ..perhaps personal experience?

People have this ability to observe and make good judgments based on what they see in culture, read from books, or what have you.

ya I can read all the books on race car driving I like but it wont make me a race car driver

Just like you can have an opinion on foreign wars and foreign policy without having a career in politics

my "opinions" are backed with facts ..had I been using nothing but opinion then you'd have a point ...which is what you people are doing here, positing opionion without backing it up in any way

people can have opinions on parenting that can be incredibly valid and sound advice. What you might learn from being a parent, I can learn from a pool of resources about proper ways of raising a child.

look you wont realise this till you're a parent yourself, but most people dont have a ****ing clue what it takes to be a good parent unless they themselves have to deal with it on a regular basis ..I can take all the parenting courses in the world but until I have had hands on experiences I'm only getting a fraction of the picture ..so again where do you draw your opinions from? parenting course? being a parent? stupying pediatrics? child psychology? what exactly? pleae be as concise as possible, I'll be taking notes

Don't be ridiculous. And don't shoot down everybody's opinions simply because you have kids. My ideas on how to raise a kid are just as valid as yours.

not inthe least for the very reasons I gave you ..I wouldnt let you raise my neighbours kid much less my own, because you have NO experience

There are people out there who have kids that raise them much more improperly than I ever would.

agreed however we're not talking about bad parenting

That alone puts your argument into the disposal.

no, it does not, simply stating there are worse potential parents says nothing as to your effectiveness as a parent

 

[Raziaar]

no but they're less right than someone who's experience tells them otherwise ..I really dont understand how anyone can argue that opinions are equally valid irregardless of experience, that's just crazy talk

So if I see somebody pushing their kid around or spanking them enthusiastically, I can't cry foul and tell them they aren't allowed to be raising their child like that because, "What do you know? You never had to raise a little shit like this!".

Despite the fact that I know of far more ways to discipline a child that doesn't have to immediately result in a physical nature, and can also help the child to understand better.

Also... don't forget what I said in my previous post.

 

[Seppo]

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4294/stern5vubyqueevergl0.png

ah damn and I was about to post that pic

 

[Acepilotf14]

I think we should just let our children loose in Iraq for a few weeks. Those that survive on their own are fit to be sons. Those that don't well.. They got crit'd by an RPG.

 

[Vegeta897]

"less right" Stern, you're hilarious.

Like I said there are plenty of parents who would agree with me that that is not an anal-retentive father. That fact alone provides that my opinion isn't any "less right" than yours.

The fact that you think you can call opinions "less right" is outright preposterous, taking what you said earlier to a new level. So because you are a parent, suddenly yours is the ONLY opinion parents can/should have? That's what your saying, considering what I said in the previous paragraph.

What should have been done is irrelevant. How about what actually happened? That's not the point though. The argument was: is it or is it not anal retentive to punish your teenager by selling his video game for smoking weed. Agreeing or disagreeing are the two opinions. Don't drag anything further into it.

I don't disagree that there are invalid opinions. But the one I hold is completely sensible and if you dont think there are parents out there who would agree, you're the one with the crazy talk.

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Actually. I've just realised something. The dad in the news story would know more about raising a teenager who smokes pot than you. Oh look. That makes his opinion "more right"

You lose

Good day.

If the flaw in your logic isn't yet apparant, I'm done.

Let me sum it up in large text so that everyone can see how wrong you are:

Your logic of more experience="more right" when it comes to an opinion on child raising is completely flawed because the dad in the story would have more experience than anyone in raising his own child, but apparantly you think you are more right than him. Flaw-alert.

 

[CptStern]

"less right" Stern, you're hilarious.

Like I said there are plenty of parents who would agree with me that that is not an anal-retentive father. That fact alone provides that my opinion isn't any "less right" than yours.

come again? because parents agree with you (please provide evidence parents agree with you) ..and what is your opinion again? that selling his game was justified? explain what lesson that teaches, please explain how discipline was meted out and what steps were taken to ensure it doesnt happen again

The fact that you think you can call opinions "less right" is outright preposterous, taking what you said earlier to a new level. So because you are a parent, suddenly yours is the ONLY opinion parents can/should have? That's what your saying, considering what I said in the previous paragraph.

you're just flapping your gums and regurgitating what you said earlier ..yes my opinion is far more valid than yours ..again what skills in parenting are you drawing from when assessing this particular situation, how did you come to the conclusion that it was the right thing to do, you seem to think it's justified as a punishment, please explain how and why

What should have been done is irrelevant. How about what actually happened? That's not the point though. The argument was: is it or is it not anal retentive to punish your teenager by selling his video game for smoking weed. Agreeing or disagreeing are the two opinions. Don't drag anything further into it.

that's the point of this whiole issue? whether it was anal retentive? :upstare: give me a break ..the ENTIRE issue is whether the punishment fit the offense, JUSTIFY WHY IT DOES or shut up

I don't disagree that there are invalid opinions. But the one I hold is completely sensible

based on what exactly? justify it in as clear and concise a manner as possible, simply saying you agree or disagree is useless

and if you dont think there are parents out there who would agree, you're the one with the crazy talk.

there's parents out there who would kill their kids for less ..what is your point here?

Actually. I've just realised something. The dad in the news story would know more about raising a teenager who smokes pot than you. Oh look. That makes his opinion "more right"

he may have expeience rasing a teen but that doesnt automatically mean he's a good parent

You lose



Good day.

If the flaw in your logic isn't yet apparant, I'm done.

:upstare: you sound like a petulant child ill-used to having to justify their opinions.. this is what I've resorted to; arguing with people who feel simply having an opinion it makes it a valid opinion ..regardless if they have anyting to back up their pov or not

 

[Vegeta897]

Stern please provide evidence that the large text in my post is wrong.

he may have expeience rasing a teen but that doesnt automatically mean he's a good parent

So what makes you a good parent?

 

[Raziaar]

my "opinions" are backed with facts ..had I been using nothing but opinion then you'd have a point ...which is what you people are doing here, positing opionion without backing it up in any way

Show me the facts. Where are these facts you're talking about?

.so again where do you draw your opinions from? parenting course? being a parent? stupying pediatrics? child psychology? what exactly? pleae be as concise as possible, I'll be taking notes

Being raised by my parents. Seeing other people raise their kids. Actively being a part in the upbringing of my cousins for many years, one from birth.

And before you just say, "Oh wow, you helped watch over your cousins once in a while."

No... I changed their diapers, fed them, cared for them, put them to sleep, played with them, disciplined them at times. Me and my brother both. All the things that a parent would do other than provide for them by having a job. That gives me a little more experience than the next guy, but that doesn't mean their opinions on how to properly raise a child are invalid.

 

[CptStern]

Stern please provide evidence that the large text in my post is wrong.

reading comprehension ftl, I've already explained it

So what makes you a good parent?

well for starters I wouldnt have humiliated my son as a preventative measure against smoking pot, that's completely ineffectual and teaches him nothing except that he should hide it better next time to avoid humiliation


now that I've answered your questions answer mine: what exactly are you drawing from when making an assessment when it comes to parenting, please be as thorough and concise as is possible, outlining exactly why the punishment is justified in terms of learning a lesson and how the punishment ensures it doesnt happen again

 

[Vegeta897]

I don't have any interest in backing up my opinion to you. I am satisfied by my opinion being "valid". That's all I wanted. The only reason we've had this argument is because you thought differently.

Also, no, you didn't explain it. You can't prove that you're a "better parent" than him, so by your logic his experience beats yours.

 

[CptStern]

Show me the facts. Where are these facts you're talking about?

sigh try to follow here ..the facts I present in almost all of my arguments throughout the 3 years I've been here

Being raised by my parents. Seeing other people raise their kids. Actively being a part in the upbringing of my cousins for many years, one from birth.

second hand, second hand and you mean being a babysitter/cousin makes your experience as valid as mine? I stood by as my 2 kids were born, I helped deliver them, I raced to the hospiutal through a closed construction zone for fear my daughter would be born in my car ...I've atched my son struggle for life every single day for 3 months in an incubator because he as born 3 months premature .I witnessed the utter dread as the doctor gave my wife and I horrific news that no parent ever wants to hear, I've gone to work with exactly 20 minutes of sleep because my daughter was sick and wouldnt let anyone sleep that night ..hundreds of times over ...and you have thenerve to say baby sitting your freakin cousin makes your pov any where near comparable? give me a break .. walk a mile in my shoes or any parents for that matter and get back to me

And before you just say, "Oh wow, you helped watch over your cousins once in a while."

No... I changed their diapers, fed them, cared for them, put them to sleep, played with them, disciplined them at times.

but you left as you pleased didnt you? you had to make life and death decisions concerning the life of your cousin, didnt you ..you know exactly what it is to agonise over the dangers to your wife's pregnancy or wether your kid will survive another night, right? because changing a few diapers and discipling someone is the be all and end all of parenting ..give me a break

All the things that a parent would do other than provide for them by having a job.

bullshit, you cannot provide the bond a parent can, not even siblings can do that ..but now you're an authority because you've dealt with everything except the monetary issues, because THAT'S ALL THERE IS

That gives me a little more experience than the next guy, but that doesn't mean their opinions on how to properly raise a child are invalid.

it doesnt matter, as you yourself admit there's varying degrees of experience ..to say second hand experience is the same as actual parenting is laughable at best

 

[Vegeta897]

Stern, your experiences aren't the only experiences EVER TO BE HAD by parents. Therefore, your opinion as a parent isn't the only one that is right.

Your stories are truly heartwrenching but I can't see how they are relevant in the slightest way to opinions on whether or not selling a video game is anal retentive.

 

[Raziaar]

second hand, second hand and you mean being a babysitter/cousin makes your experience as valid as mine? I stood by as my 2 kids were born, I helped deliver them, I raced to the hospiutal through a closed construction zone for fear my daughter would be born in my car ...I've atched my son struggle for life every single day for 3 months in an incubator because he as born 3 months premature .I witnessed the utter dread as the doctor gave my wife and I horrific news that no parent ever wants to hear, I've gone to work with exactly 20 minutes of sleep because my daughter was sick and wouldnt let anyone sleep that night ..hundreds of times over ...and you have thenerve to say baby sitting your freakin cousin makes your pov any where near comparable? give me a break .. walk a mile in my shoes or any parents for that matter and get back to me

At this point, all you're doing is trolling.

And to be honest, most of the things you just said... they don't involve parenting skill in raising a child at all. Going by what you just said... only 5% of all parents in the world probably have as much experience as you.

Therefore nobody can argue with you, huh? Because you went through some unique experiences?


Please... quit trolling. If I was forced into the situations you were forced in, I'm sure I would be able to cope albeit with just as much effort and drain as you experienced.

You experienced all that for the first time and performed admirably... what's to say I couldn't experience it with just as much skill and dedication as you did, since it would be my first time too?

 

[CptStern]

Stern, your experiences aren't the only experiences EVER TO BE HAD by parents. Therefore, your opinion as a parent isn't the only one that is right.

I never said it was, dont twist to seem that way

Your stories are truly heartwrenching but I can't see how they are relevant in the slightest way to opinions on whether or not selling a video game is anal retentive.

you're twisting words again ..I didnt say selling a video game was anal retentive ..his overreaction to finding his son smoking pot is what's anal retentive

 

[Vegeta897]

Even more laughable.

I think I'm done. We both know this argument can never end between us.

I'm still waiting for you to clearly explain how my large text doesn't prove your logic to be flawed.

 

[CptStern]

At this point, all you're doing is trolling.

excuse me? you were trolling, how can I troll my own thread especially when I'm on topic?

And to be honest, most of the things you just said... they don't involve parenting skill in raising a child at all. Going by what you just said... only 5% of all parents in the world probably have as much experience as you.

the point is that these expreiences temper my ability as a parent ...just like any skills learned from actually parenting ..skills you couldnt pick up in a book or a classroom

Therefore nobody can argue with you, huh? Because you went through some unique experiences?

you're putting words I never said into my mouth

Please... quit trolling. If I was forced into the situations you were forced in, I'm sure I would be able to cope albeit with just as much effort and drain as you experienced.

you dont/cant know till you experience it yourself ..really, case closed because you just agreed with me

You experienced all that for the first time and performed admirably... what's to say I couldn't experience it with just as much skill and dedication as you did, since it would be my first time too?

it wasnt my first time, I taught children for 7 years ... i didnt go into child rearing without knowing anything ..that said I usually follow my wife's lead ..cuz she's a child behavioural specialist/therapist ...and what you would do if being thrust into a situation doesnt make you perpared ..ask any parent: it doesnt matter how much you prepare for having a baby, you're never prepared

Even more laughable.

I think I'm done. We both know this argument can never end between us.

I'm still waiting for you to clearly explain how my large text doesn't prove your logic to be flawed.

i've already answered it, it's there, have another look

..and of course you're done, you hit a wall when I asked you to justify your position

 

[Crushenator 500]

Rabble rabble rabble

lol

That is all

 

[Raziaar]

That is all

Agreed. This is pointless.

<walks out>

 

[CptStern]

it was pointless pages ago, but you people insisted all opinions are equally valid ..which they're not

 

[Seppo]

you two just gonna bale out and let Stern win?

 

[CptStern]

the obviousness of the issue in question makes victory a no brainer: opinions dont mean much without something to back it up ..not all opinions are equal ..this should be self evident

 

[Cheomesh]

I think I lost any potential respect I had for Stern from all that. I stopped reading...some time ago.

Stern, your head is in your ass. Really.

 

[CptStern]

I think I lost any potential respect I had for Stern from all that. I stopped reading...some time ago.

Stern, your head is in your ass. Really.

wow my life has no meaning now that you lost respect for me ..........who are you again?

 

[Seppo]

Ok well shut up everyone, lets get back on topic: laughing at the douchebag who paid $9000 for a game

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

Hold on a sec, Seppo.

It's the uninformed and irrational hatred of drugs by people like veg and cheo-meh that is driving their opinion of this. It's not "wow, that's a great parenty thing to do, I'll have to remember that for when I have kids." It's more like "yeah! owned the dirty little pothead!"...

 

[Hectic Glenn]

I think I lost any potential respect I had for Stern from all that. I stopped reading...some time ago.

Stern, your head is in your ass. Really.

Who on earth are you? Obviously someone who has license to throw the weight around, or perhaps not.

Anyway back on topic. Which crazy person spends that much money when in January it will available in ridiculous quantities for numpence! Oh and regardless if my son had been smoking something or a complete angel, if I found out you could make a $9000 mark up on a xmas present I'd sell...just like that!