Database on Terrorism

[K e r b e r o s]

www****b.org

Interesting to look at. Infact, I did'nt really think they're that many more terrorist organizations in the middle-east, as opposed to Africa or America.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

www.t-k-b.org (Delete the minuses and put it into your browser)

 

[Icarusintel]

thanks, interesting indeed

 

[Dag]

Aren't the Black Panters the Blacks who protested things in the 1960's? Does that qualify as terrorist?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

It did'nt until they posted aggressiveness against local law enforcement entities -- then it became a terrorist organization.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Aren't the Black Panters the Blacks who protested things in the 1960's? Does that qualify as terrorist?

You can consider the Black Panthers equivelant to the KKK. It wasn't at first like has been said but it became that

KKK was much bigger and older so it has a lot more crimes and noteriety though.

 

[Dag]

My car broke down in the Hometown of the KKK once. I was pretty little so I don't remember much, but they seemed nice enough. But had I been black, it probably wouldn't have... Anyway, its a Good thing the KKK has been toned down now, if not eliminated.

 

[gh0st]

the KKK doesnt exist as it did. it was formed initially to ensure that whites had (ironically) equal political voice in the deep south as the newly freed blacks, whose population outnumbered white voters considerably. after 'negotiations' with then president grant, they were actually rather peacefully disassembled, until the 1920s when they reformed and could claim nearly 6 million members - nativists, against the new tide of immigrant jews, catholics, etc. after the 40s they basically became a neonazi organization of hate driven by money.

 

[SAJ]

You can consider the Black Panthers equivelant to the KKK. It wasn't at first like has been said but it became that

KKK was much bigger and older so it has a lot more crimes and noteriety though.

I believe you are thinking of the Nation of Islam here. And if you are then you are still pretty far off the mark. There is no black US movement that could be considered anything like the sickening racism of the white supremacist kkk inbred nazi-wannabes.

The black panthers fell foul of the fbi and local law enforcement.They were the subject of full scale surveilance and smear campaigning.
The nation of islam gathered much press coverage for malcom x`s call for a separate black state and many other postures which he retracted shortly before his death

 

[CptStern]

You can consider the Black Panthers equivelant to the KKK. It wasn't at first like has been said but it became that

KKK was much bigger and older so it has a lot more crimes and noteriety though.

no, the black panthers are NOTHING like the kkk ..the KKK murder people based on race and propagate hate based on skin colour


"The party was created to further the movement for black liberation, which had been growing steadily throughout the sixties thanks to the prominent civil rights movement and the work of people like Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. The party rejected the integrationist, nonviolent stance of Martin Luther King, and made it clear from the beginning that it sought no compromise with the "white power structure". The party similarly rejected nonviolence as a creed and specifically chose to organize around a platform of "self-defense" (which became part of the party's original name, "Black Panther Party for Self-Defense")."



the black panthers started as a neighbourhood watch ..armed citizens who were tired of police beatings and intimidation


"One of the very first activities undertaken by the BPP was the citizens patrol in which they followed officers around, armed with a gun and a copy of the California Penal Code in order to protect the citizens of Oakland. The Oakland Police were greatly angered by this behavior, however because the Panthers' guns were registered and not concealed they were not in violation of any state or federal gun laws"



seems like something you right wingers would admire



they were also a target of the fbi who were behind the murders of some of their most vocal members:

"the FBI and Chicago Police raided the home of talented and charismatic Panther organizer Fred Hampton on December 4, 1969. The people inside the home had been drugged by an FBI informant, William O'Neal, and were all asleep at the time of the raid. Hampton was shot and killed, as was the guard, Mark Clark. The others in the home were then dragged into the street and beaten and subsequently charged with assault. These charges were later dropped."



source

 

[SAJ]

Thanks for that Stern , I was hoping someone had the patience to research more fully. Very nicely put.

In addition there is the now infamous "black panther colouring book".
The fbi distributed this piece of propanda, which had a number of violently millitant illustrations with whites portrayed as pigs. This is from a lengthier article
"This coloring book, which was purported to be from the Black Panthers, had actually been rejected by them when it was brought to them by a man later revealed to have intelligence connections. Not to be troubled by the fact that the Panthers found the coloring book revolting, the FBI added even more offensive illustrations, and mass mailed it across America. It so infuriated the white population that they stopped listening to the legitimate grievances of the black people."
Edgar J Hoover, what a hero huh?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

LOS ANGELES - I was disappointed, but not totally surprised, to hear that Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin — better known by his radical trademark name, H. Rap Brown — is the suspected shooter of two Atlanta sheriff's deputies, one dead and one seriously wounded.
(Al-Amin was arrested in Alabama's Lowndes County, west of Montgomery, on March 21 — several days after the shooting. Authorities said he was hiding in a shed, fired shots at U.S. marshals, then ran into a nearby wood. The FBI said federal and state agents circled him, then released dogs. Al-Amin was arrested, uninjured.)

Though it's dangerous and irresponsible to convict Brown of murder before all the facts are in, I still immediately thought of the evening in 1968 when I and a small knot of black journalists stood near the podium at the Los Angeles Sports Arena at a Black Panther fund-raiser.

Brown sat in the middle of the stage, garbed in a shiny black leather jacket with a black beret cocked at an angle and flanked by a small army of black leather-jacketed bodyguards and assorted hangers-on.

The crowd of several thousand roared with delight when a speaker announced that Brown had been "appointed" and had accepted the title of Minister of Justice of the Black Panther Party. This was the culmination of Brown's militant odyssey from student dissident, to civil rights worker, to chairman of the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee. By then black radicals regarded SNCC as a badly tainted relic of the civil rights movement that they deeply reviled.

His speech to the crowd was defiant, brash, laced with profanities and filled with threats to kill the police. He called for blacks to burn down America's cities.

As I soaked in his performance with a mixture of awe and fascination, I still wondered whether he really believed this fantasy vision of violent revolution that he was selling the crowd. His speech was designed to stir the red hot emotions of the audience.

The warning flares soared higher the more I heard him speak during the next few months. Brown, at times, seemed to take special delight in picking words that had maximum shock value on crowds. Yet what was needed were not bold threats to destroy the "white establishment," "the white man," "white devil," or "white oppressor," but concrete activities and programs for those genuinely committed to change.

Even the title of his book, "Die ****** Die," was calculated for hyper shock effect. It was long on attacks on those moderate black leaders Brown branded "Negro sell-outs" and "Uncle Toms." Lengthy exhortations urged blacks to kill and die for the revolution. Yet it was devoid of any strategy or program for black political and economic empowerment.

By the mid-1970s, the Panther organization was in its final agonies. Leaders dropped like flies from police bullets or their own bullets; some degenerated into dope dealing, hustling and extortion. Others drifted away, afflicted with terminal disillusionment with the failed promises of the black movement. A few managed to swap their black jackets for Brooks Brothers suits and slide neatly into posts at universities, corporations and elected office.

The programs devised by early Panther organizers that had given so much hope to so many - the free clinics, free breakfast programs, legal aid, voter registration, business development and community organizing campaigns to combat police abuse - had become faded memories.

Brown was unrepentant. He remained trapped by his tough guy image. He seemed destined to be a permanent casualty of his violent rhetoric. He seemed utterly incapable of making the transition from radical mouthpiece to effective community organizer and leader. There were repeated brushes with the law that ended in a bungled robbery attempt (at a tavern patronized by African Americans) and a subsequent shootout with New York police. This landed him in prison for five years.

Brown reversed his downhill slide in 1976. He embraced Islam, re-christened himself with a Muslim name, did his mea culpas for his past and made his peace with America.

He took seriously his new role as spiritual leader and as a tireless worker for community betterment and against drugs and prostitution.

Yet an arrest for assault and possession of illegal weapons, though the charges were dropped, sent up another warning flare that he was still prone to act out the violent rhetoric of the 1960s that had caused him and so many other blacks such terrible personal grief and pain.

Brown may or may not be the triggerman in the murder of a black sheriff's deputy and the wounding of another, also black. And I sincerely pray that he isn't.

But his capture will almost certainly trigger another round of media reflection on how he, the Panthers and other 1960s black radicals drowned the genuine idealism and passion for social change of thousands of blacks in an ocean of selfishness, greed, opportunism and nihilistic violence.

Some of this will be true, but what it misses is the sacrifice and struggle of thousands of men and women against injustice. And for a time that included Brown.



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The New Panther Party may be different, I hadn't heard of it until just now. But you can't change the history of the original Black Panthers. It descended into a racist organization. Early intentions may have been good but actions speak louder than words.

 

[CptStern]

Thanks for that Stern , I was hoping someone had the patience to research more fully. Very nicely put.

In addition there is the now infamous "black panther colouring book".
The fbi distributed this piece of propanda, which had a number of violently millitant illustrations with whites portrayed as pigs. This is from a lengthier article
"This coloring book, which was purported to be from the Black Panthers, had actually been rejected by them when it was brought to them by a man later revealed to have intelligence connections. Not to be troubled by the fact that the Panthers found the coloring book revolting, the FBI added even more offensive illustrations, and mass mailed it across America. It so infuriated the white population that they stopped listening to the legitimate grievances of the black people."
Edgar J Hoover, what a hero huh?

that's pretty crazy not too mentioned underhanded and racist. I wasnt aware of the colouring book ...that's insane, who thinks up this stuff?

democracy is supposed to be "for the people, by the people" ...citizens are supposed to watch the government for inpropriaties not the other way around. The fbi set up a task force (COINTELPRO) to:

"track, expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, or otherwise neutralize the activities" of these dissident [black civil rights] movements and their leaders."




last tuesday I listened to a radio program that had an old speech by Bobby Seale, one of the original members and he didnt sound like a terrorist ...here's a recent interview with Seale discussing everything from the civil rights movement to the Patriot act

 

[CptStern]

stupid double post

 

[CptStern]

arrrrgghhh I had this big reply to RakuraiTenjin which I just erased cuz I edited the wrong post


the gist of it, Amil wasnt a part of the black panthers at the time of the murders ...so your link is invalid

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

arrrrgghhh I had this big reply to RakuraiTenjin which I just erased cuz I edited the wrong post


the gist of it, Amil wasnt a part of the black panthers at the time of the murders ...so your link is invalid

I didn't post it because of the murders, I posted it because of his language and actions that happened due to inflammation like that (they're listed in that terrorism database that the thread is about)

What I posted does support what you said, it started out with good intentions. It descended into a corrupt black supremecy group though. What once was "Equal rights and oppurtunity" became "Kill the white devil"

 

[Ennui]

You can consider the Black Panthers equivelant to the KKK. It wasn't at first like has been said but it became that

KKK was much bigger and older so it has a lot more crimes and noteriety though.

no. they are not even close to the same thing.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

no. they are not even close to the same thing.

http://www****b.org/RWExecquery.jsp?sLibraryType=Terr_Incidents&QueryString=Black Panthers

Edit: Stupid retarded filter for no apparant reason. Type in www. tkb.org and paste the rest of the url. Remove the space too

 

[Kangy]

... The IRA stuff is all wrong. They've killed many more than 29, and there have been way more than 89 incidents. Saying they've only killed 29 is a bit like saying that only 85 people died in 9/11.

 

[CptStern]

http://www****b.org/RWExecquery.jsp?sLibraryType=Terr_Incidents&QueryString=Black Panthers

Edit: Stupid retarded filter for no apparant reason. Type in www. tkb.org and paste the rest of the url. Remove the space too

funny how you dont bat an eyelid when the bush clan commits acts of terrorism or supports terrorism ...no, the oval office is beyond reproach

like this terrorist group that G H Bush pardoned:

http://www****b.org/RWExecquery_All...ueryType=64&ExpansionLevel=1&SelectedLibs=All




governments have never initiated personal freedoms ..it's always fringe groups like the sufferagettes (I wonder if they'd be considered "terrorists" in this Mccarthey-ism revival era we seem to be living in atm) or Rosa parks (civil rights advocate, for some strange reason is in the terrorist database) or the civil rights movements that initiate change ....state terrorism is far more murderous than any radical element out there

 

[Solaris]

... The IRA stuff is all wrong. They've killed many more than 29, and there have been way more than 89 incidents. Saying they've only killed 29 is a bit like saying that only 85 people died in 9/11.

Not many people know much about the situation in Northern Island. They here reports of a loyalist shooting and think: "IRA bastards theve doen it again!".

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

funny how you dont bat an eyelid when the bush clan commits acts of terrorism or supports terrorism ...no, the oval office is beyond reproach

like this terrorist group that G H Bush pardoned:

Never heard of it till just now. What's Orlando Bosch all about? (can't help but be reminded of Freespace 2)

state terrorism is far more murderous than any radical element out there

Agreed

... The IRA stuff is all wrong. They've killed many more than 29, and there have been way more than 89 incidents. Saying they've only killed 29 is a bit like saying that only 85 people died in 9/11.

The little disclaimer says before a certain date it the numbers are wrong unless it was an international terrorist act, and thus only more recent things are correct with total numbers. The IRA being as old as it is is affected by that on the website.