Death Penalty

[The Monkey]

Should Death Penalty be allowed on piece time?

 

[joule]

Piece time? What's that?

 

[bliink]

I think he means during "peace" time.

And I say no, its one hell of a mistake to make, and there have been mistakes in the past. Taking someone's life when unjustified is completely wrong and no matter how many guilty people you execute, if only one innocent will die, the whole thing isnt worth it.

 

[Recoil]

Eye for an eye doesn't work out to me...

 

[bliink]

Yeah, what kind of society kills people deliberately if it can be avoided anyway?

 

[Mr Stabby]

there are people who do diserve the death penalty, anyone who has murdered more than one person should recieve it.

 

[Absinthe]

Sometimes I find myself supporting it. Sometimes I find myself disapproving of it. My opinion on this subject changes so often that I'm going to have to abstain from this vote so as to avoid hating myself tomorrow or some other day.

 

[falconwind]

Killing the killer doesn't bring his victims back.

 

[oldagerocker]

No, its an easy way out for them.. people should suffer in prison for what they did, if they deserve death then give them life in the same 4 walls, for as long as they live. and keep them alive.

 

[gh0st]

No, its an easy way out for them.. people should suffer in prison for what they did, if they deserve death then give them life in the same 4 walls, for as long as they live. and keep them alive.

its so easy to say that until you realize just how much of a waste of tax dollars it is to feed prisoners and provide them electricity and utilities. i can think of a lot more productive things to pay for than a free ride for a bunch of criminals.i recall a fact from a debate awhile ago. houston had some thing like 700 murders in 81. when texas resumed the death penalty in 82, they have seen a huge downfall in the murder statistics. by 95 or something it was down to 260. these statistics dont lie, and the results of the death penalty are clear. people will think twice about killing people if they know their life is on the line.

 

[AzzMan]

Exactly, and if they do live, they should be fed bread and water in a windowless concrete box none of this bullshit 3 hot meals a day.

 

[Death.Trap]

No, its an easy way out for them.. people should suffer in prison for what they did, if they deserve death then give them life in the same 4 walls, for as long as they live. and keep them alive.

Yeah, suffer in prison. All we have now are hotels. They need to turn them back into prisons, get rid of the tv's the weight machines.


All prisons should be high security, 24/7 solitary confinement. Not just the big ones.

 

[The Monkey]

Yes, "peace" is of course what I mean. Sorry. I'm against it. Too many people that are executed innocent. Besides, if you kill the killer you are no better than the killer himself. Or herself.

 

[Kangy]

Let them rot in a dusty, dark cell for the rest of their years.

Eventually, they'll regret it.

 

[gh0st]

Let them rot in a dusty, dark cell for the rest of their years.

Eventually, they'll regret it.

i'd regret it too.

 

[el Chi]

Let them rot in a dusty, dark cell for the rest of their years.
Eventually, they'll regret it.

Well, if you found out tomorrow that someone had locked up two people in their basement - solitary cells, little sunlight, bread and water, the whole shebang - for about 30/40-odd years, you'd be appalled. If you found out that these two people had murdered people, you might feel slightly less sympathetic, but I bet you'd still think the person who locked them down there was sick.
What makes it better if the institution does it?

Think, Kangy: What would Charles Kennedy do? Besides down half a bottle of whiskey, of course
Just to clarify, I love Charles kennedy and will probably vote for him next year, unless Gordon Brown stands in place of Tony. So when Hell freezes merrily over.

 

[Kangy]

Well, if you found out tomorrow that someone had locked up two people in their basement - solitary cells, little sunlight, bread and water, the whole shebang - for about 30/40-odd years, you'd be appalled.

Of course, they deserve some porridge and soup too y'kow.



It's true that Charles Kennedy wouldn't agree with what I said, but none of the parties would. Apart from maybe the BNP, who might make a rule that applies that rule to "any of those bloody foreigners".

I just feel that when someone kills, their rights to luxuries and good quality meals are instantly void. I can understand maybe a few basic luxuries for petty thieves and conmen, like TVs and some good quality meals.

 

[falconwind]

they have seen a huge downfall in the murder statistics. by 95 or something it was down to 260. these statistics dont lie, and the results of the death penalty are clear.

Does that figure include the convicts murdered by the state as retribution?

 

[Edcrab]

Personally, I feel that the death penalty is more than justified for repeat offenders. They do nothing but undermine the justice system and imply that rehabilitation is a pipe dream. Solution? Murder them and save society the bother.

It's pretty fascist and extremist, but so are a lot of the perpatrators.

 

[gh0st]

Does that figure include the convicts murdered by the state as retribution?

ha... convicts murdered. thats ironic. and no, it doesnt. though i have nothing against 'murdering' murderers.

 

[Spartan]

Should Death Penalty be allowed on piece time?

The death penalty should never be enforced. It's not a question of ethics, it's a question of certainty. Can you be absolutely 100% certain that you are executing the right person, for the right reasons?

Besides, rotting in jail is a far more miserable punishment.

 

[Toffee]

I´m sure that murderers can´t be cured, they are permanently sick. But I guess I´m againts the Death Penalty also.
It sucks when the murderers just get to spend some time in the prison
and after they get released, they go and kill again. Not so long ago there was another exaple of that here in my country. Its so fckd up thing, they shouldnt have any rights at all.

 

[Spartan]

I´m sure that murderers can´t be cured, they are permanently sick. But I guess I´m againts the Death Penalty also.
It sucks when the murderers just get to spend some time in the prison
and after they get released, they go and kill again. Not so long ago there was another exaple of that here in my country. Its so fckd up thing, they shouldnt have any rights at all.

Some things that I've read indicate that murderers (except completely crazy ones) are less likely to offend again compared to people convicted of assault or drugs (if memory serves). Apparently, murder is something that anyone is capable of, but it usually isn't repeated.

That's one viewpoint.

 

[Toffee]

Some things that I've read indicate that murderers (except completely crazy ones) are less likely to offend again compared to people convicted of assault or drugs (if memory serves). Apparently, murder is something that anyone is capable of, but it usually isn't repeated.

That's one viewpoint.

oh aye, then I was talking about the crazy ones. I havent really thought that anyone could be capable to commit a murder.
But of course it should be justified if its just done for self-defence. But seems like it doesnt matter here if its a self-defence or not, murder is a murder :/

 

[Spartan]

I once read some article by someone who had spent time in jail. He said that one of the inmates was an older man, a really nice guy and everything. He was in prison because he had caught his neighbor (afaim) banging his wife on the kitchen table. As luck would have it, a knife was nearby... I guess he simply just flipped out. It seems like something that many, many people could be capable of doing.

 

[RRunner]

After i became a dad, im all for it.

5 guys raping an 5 year old boy, then killing him, taped it on video so they could play it later for parties.....

These wankers should die......and it should take them several weeks to die.. put me in a room with one of them and an hammer + a bag of nails...it would take him very long to die.

Im for!

 

[Spartan]

After i became a dad, im all for it.

5 guys raping an 5 year old boy, then killing him, taped it on video so they could play it later for parties.....

These wankers should die......and it should take them several weeks to die.. put me in a room with one of them and an hammer + a bag of nails...it would take him very long to die.

Im for!

There's a lot of shit that makes you want to grab a truckload of guns and become a vigilante.

 

[Gray Fox]

After i became a dad, im all for it.

5 guys raping an 5 year old boy, then killing him, taped it on video so they could play it later for parties.....

These wankers should die......and it should take them several weeks to die.. put me in a room with one of them and an hammer + a bag of nails...it would take him very long to die.

Im for!

Where did that happen, can you give me a link. I wanna read the full story.
Anyways this reminds me of a site where they tell something and people can vote what should happen to those people, like a guy murderd his girlfriends daughter becasue she didn't eat her spinazie, O r if Jezus was pulled over in LA by a cop, I just can't remeber the name of the site, well if anyone knows what I'm talking about please post the links.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Well thats a difficult one really....hmm. Well normally id say no way. It is a contradiction to kill those who have killed and after all no one trully deserves death and prison can be terrible anyway. However there are some cases where it may be a good idea.

Can you be absolutely 100% certain that you are executing the right person, for the right reasons?

A good reason against.

just how much of a waste of tax dollars it is to feed prisoners and provide them electricity and utilities

A reason for.
Another reason expressed for is that they have done something very bad and they should be punished. Well punishment of death is instant (to an extent) however whatever happens after death is another matter. Anyway, if you stick them in a prison cell, it may be a lesser punishment but it lasts for a long long time and eventually in terms of pain, emotional strain and punishment it is worse. Therefore go for teh prison

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Eye for an Eye works perfectly for me. If a man steals something, his hand should be chopped off. If someone rapes a child, that man, as punishment, should be raped in the same manor.

If a man commits proven murder, then he should be executed.

 

[RRunner]

Where did that happen, can you give me a link. I wanna read the full story.
Anyways this reminds me of a site where they tell something and people can vote what should happen to those people, like a guy murderd his girlfriends daughter becasue she didn't eat her spinazie, O r if Jezus was pulled over in LA by a cop, I just can't remeber the name of the site, well if anyone knows what I'm talking about please post the links.

cant seem to find it, it was big story 1 month or 2 ago, happend in germany, think the court is still on.....must be some german dude here who can link u.

 

[RRunner]

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A reason for.
Another reason expressed for is that they have done something very bad and they should be punished. Well punishment of death is instant (to an extent) however whatever happens after death is another matter. Anyway, if you stick them in a prison cell, it may be a lesser punishment but it lasts for a long long time and eventually in terms of pain, emotional strain and punishment it is worse. Therefore go for teh prison

Well i dont really want to punish people who violate children, i just want them dead, so my kids can run free. And i dont really care how they die, just as long as they die, if people will volentire to kill these bastards for free, (or even charge them for the pleasure) fine by me. If the state has to pay, use a rope, it can be reused really cheap.

 

[Scotchy]

Ghandi said "Eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth will make everyone blind and toothless."

But Ghandi said alot of things.

Hammurabi's code is the foundation of almost all law. It seems to stick in other prime examples... the Biblical concept of "you reap what you sew", Karma, "what goes around comes around", and even the all actions incur an equal and opposite reaction.

I'm of the mind that a person's punishment should be equal to the crime. If a person takes another's life, they forfeit their own. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

I dont think the purpose of the law is to prevent crime. punitive action is what the law and law enforcers are about. It's up to individuals to decide to not commit crimes or to prevent crimes themselves.

But If you still like the idea of preventative measures, how about we go ahead and execute all death row inmates? Like, in one day? THAT will be a hell of a deterrent to those who might be entertaining the idea of murder/rape.

 

[Spartan]

I'm of the mind that a person's punishment should be equal to the crime. If a person takes another's life, they forfeit their own. It seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Yeah, if torture isn't justice, I just don't know what is. Death penalties are also good, since it honestly doesn't matter if you kill some innocent people every now and then.

But If you still like the idea of preventative measures, how about we go ahead and execute all death row inmates? Like, in one day? THAT will be a hell of a deterrent to those who might be entertaining the idea of murder/rape.

Death penalties have little or no effect on crime, as far as I know.

 

[Recoil]

cant seem to find it, it was big story 1 month or 2 ago, happend in germany, think the court is still on.....must be some german dude here who can link u.

Hu? Didn't hear anything like that.

Eye for an Eye works perfectly for me. If a man steals something, his hand should be chopped off. If someone rapes a child, that man, as punishment, should be raped in the same manor.

Do you realize that you're propagating what you are fighting in the near/middle east? Medieval conditions!

 

[The Dark Elf]

Should Death Penalty be allowed on piece time?

I'll say no, but only because its like an easy way out, yuo commit some terrible crime and get executed, dead. Where's the real punishment? Your dead, the end. It's just an easy way out so they don't have to spend a lifetime of suffering. Would be better to bring back torture for some people tbh, make the punsihment fit the crime.

 

[Gunner]

I'll say no, but only because its like an easy way out, yuo commit some terrible crime and get executed, dead. Where's the real punishment? Your dead, the end. It's just an easy way out so they don't have to spend a lifetime of suffering. Would be better to bring back torture for some people tbh, make the punsihment fit the crime.

Hmm torture? You know what would be fun? for an execution, the victim's family & friends writes different execution methods they'd like to see on pieces of paper, and let the murderer pick one out of a hat.

Just kidding, I'm all for the death penalty if the system were devoid of human error.

 

[Icarusintel]

kill the bastards, and faster, seriously, it seems to be one of the only logical ways to deter crime, and i've always like the idea of an eye for an eye, which is why i don;t steal, i like my hands too much

 

[Ecthe|ioN]

Killing is wrong in any context. Just MHO.

 

[Spartan]

I saw a documentary once about prison and legal systems around the world. I think it showed that China executes more people than any other country, yet it hasn't lowered crime rates. Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world, and their system is really soft. If memory serves: minor offenders have to publically apologize, and someone has to vouch for them. They basically have to promise that they won't screw up again. If they do screw up again, they'll probably go to prison. The prisons there didn't seem to be harsh, inhuman or anything, but everything was extremely strict, regulated and monotonous.

The US system doesn't seem to work at all.