Democrats have just signed their death wish...draft

you're the one who brought it up ..I just read what you posted ....how did that even come up? if there were a draft I'm sure people wouldnt be worried about whether it's disporportionate or not ...they'd be too busy looking for a map to canada ;)
 
CptStern said:
you're the one who brought it up ..I just read what you posted
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I posted evidence which refutes what Rangel says. Do you agree with him or the site I posted? If you agree with Rangel, what do you have to support his (and your) viewpoint? Obviously you cared enough to read through it far enough to find something to nitpick, at least.:cheese:

Damn, you edited your post. That's a big part of his reasoning for reinstating the draft, the whole alleged race/class disparity.
 
Hapless said:
I posted evidence which refutes what Rangel says.
Do you agree with him or the site I posted?
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me? I couldnt care less ...however everybody seems to be looking at the wrong figures in that issue: what percentage of recruits are made up of the ruling class in the US? the sons and daughters of corporate empires, political arenas and privledged classes ...everyone else isnt all that relevant because really there's not all that much of a difference between lower and middle class

Hapless said:
If you agree with Rangel, what do you have to support his (and your) viewpoint?
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yes I agree with rangle ..all war supporters should be forced to do a tour of duty in iraq ..saddle up soldier your country needs you (again)


Hapless said:
Obviously you cared enough to read through it far enough to find something to nitpick, at least.:cheese:
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not really ...I remember the heritage foundation as a neoconservative policy advisor for the reagan admin (instrumental in forming the reagan doctrine) during the contra scandal. Their policy advisors were very busy helping support the resistance in afghanistan as well ...fine upstanding group wouldnt you say?

Hapless said:
Damn, you edited your post. That's a big part of his reasoning for reinstating the draft, the whole alleged race/class disparity.
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meh I think it's more about class ..how many of the sons and daughters of Bechtel, or Haliburton or Dyncorp are in Iraq carrying a gun?
 
I'm asking ..you brought up that document surely you've read it?
 
Also, for the record, I don't agree with the draft. I think it is harmful to the military to infuse it with people who really don't want to be there. Not only that, but do you really think people with influence aren't going to be able to get around it?
 
whoa whoa, I'm coming in here off the first page but... when did obama drop out?
 
Hapless said:
Also, for the record, I don't agree with the draft. I think it is harmful to the military to infuse it with people who really don't want to be there. Not only that, but do you really think people with influence aren't going to be able to get around it?
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I'm sure they will <insert obligatory reference to Bush service in vietnam here>
 
Hapless said:
Also, for the record, I don't agree with the draft. I think it is harmful to the military to infuse it with people who really don't want to be there. Not only that, but do you really think people with influence aren't going to be able to get around it?
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Im not sure i agree with that, look at our history of wars....how many of them havent used a draft? I am not saying I want the draft, because I do not think that women should be drafted....but thats another topic
 
Tyguy said:
Im not sure i agree with that, look at our history of wars....how many of them havent used a draft? I am not saying I want the draft, because I do not think that women should be drafted....but thats another topic
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So you won wars that forced conscription on your citizens. That doesn't mean there's a direct correlation.

Isn't it possible that those wars could have been won quicker, and with fewer casualties, if there had been no draft in the first place? I know I'd rather send in soldiers who want to fight, instead of soldiers who have to fight.
 
Stigmata said:
So you won wars that forced conscription on your citizens. That doesn't mean there's a direct correlation.

Isn't it possible that those wars could have been won quicker, and with fewer casualties, if there had been no draft in the first place? I know I'd rather send in soldiers who want to fight, instead of soldiers who have to fight.
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THe obvious answer is yes, but the whole reason for the draft is that we are almost out of troops.

So you are saying that a draft would lessen our chances at "winning"?
 
he got served all right ..gin and tonic, scotch on the rocks, vodka and oj, cuba libres (sorry, he's a neo-con: rum and coke) :E

anyways I dont go for that partisan thingy, couldnt care less if it's clinton or bush
 
CptStern said:
living with colostomy bag for the rest of your life because your lower extremities were blown off in a landmine accident isnt perferable to having spent time in prison ..or worse; you could always come back in a body bag




lol that's a fair trade off ..your life for lowered priced gas
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Well, I find a body bag preferable to having my extremities blown off...

Meh. I'd rather fight in North Korea than in Iraq. At least there's something I'm fighting for that I actually care about. Unless we invade iraq to create an imperial dominion or something...

But if they did call me to fight, then I'd probably fight anywhere.

Mechagodzilla said:
Numbers, I am ashamed of you.

You shouldn't need to be drafted in order to support the glorious fatherland.

If South Korea says Iraq is important, slap on a helmet and move out there, soldier!
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Yeah.... actually, I would volunteer in case of a full scale war... With anyone..


Isn't it possible that those wars could have been won quicker, and with fewer casualties, if there had been no draft in the first place? I know I'd rather send in soldiers who want to fight, instead of soldiers who have to fight.
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That works for smaller wars. Until you need sheer manpower to defeat an enemy.
 
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