Democrats propose Bills, Republicans worry about Filibuster

[No Limit]

I got this off another board and it came from an email:

As a matter of comity, the Minority in the Senate traditionally defers to the Majority in the setting of the agenda. If Bill Frist pulls the nuclear trigger, Democrats will show deference no longer.

Invoking a little-known Senate procedure called Rule XIV, last week Democrats put nine bills on the Senate calendar that seek to help America fulfill its promise.

If Republicans break the rules Democrats will use the rule to bring to the Senate floor an agenda that meets the needs of average Americans, such as lowering gas prices, reducing the cost of health care and helping veterans.

"Across the country, people are worried about things that matter to their families * the health of their loved ones, their child's performance in schools, and those sky high gas prices," said Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid. "But what is the number one priority for Senate Republicans? Doing away with the last check on one-party rule in Washington to allow President Bush, Senator Frist and Tom Delay to stack the courts with radical judges. If Republicans proceed to pull the trigger on the nuclear option, Democrats will respond by employing existing Senate rules to push forward our agenda for America."

Democrats have introduced bills that address America's real challenges. (Details attached)

1. Women's Health Care (S. 844). "The Prevention First Act of 2005" will reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions by increasing funding for family planning and ending health insurance discrimination against women.

2. Veterans' Benefits (S. 845). "The Retired Pay Restoration Act of 2005" will assist disabled veterans who, under current law, must choose to either receive their retirement pay or disability compensation.

3. Fiscal Responsibility (S. 851). Democrats will move to restore fiscal discipline to government spending and extend the
pay-as-you-go requirement.

4. Relief at the Pump (S. 847). Democrats plan to halt the diversion of oil from the markets to the strategic petroleum reserve. By releasing oil from the reserve through a swap program, the plan will bring down prices at the pump.

5. Education (S. 848). Democrats have a bill that will: strengthen head start and child care programs, improve elementary and secondary education, provide a roadmap for first generation and low-income college students, provide college tuition relief for students and their families, address the need for math, science and special education teachers, and make college affordable for all students.

6. Jobs (S. 846). Democrats will work in support of legislation that guarantees overtime pay for workers and sets a fair minimum wage.

7. Energy Markets (S. 870). Democrats work to prevent Enron-style market manipulation of electricity.

8. Corporate Taxation (S. 872). Democrats make sure companies pay their fair share of taxes to the U.S. government instead of keeping profits overseas.

9. Standing with our troops (S. 11). Democrats believe that putting America's security first means standing up for our troops and their families

"Abusing power is not what the American people sent us to Washington to do. We need to address real priorities instead -- fight for relief at the gas pump, stronger schools and lower health care costs for America's families," said Senator Reid.

So the Democrats are fighting for what they were elected to do and the Republicans are fighting for what? No, really, I'm asking. Maybe some of you Republicans on here can help me out?

 

[shumlya4012]

So the Democrats are fighting for what they were elected to do and the Republicans are fighting for what? No, really, I'm asking. Maybe some of you Republicans on here can help me out?

i wanna know too, what are they fighting for?

 

[Bodacious]

How can the democrats say they are fighting for america when they only represent 45% (as far as the senate goes) of the population?

The democrats are fighting for 45% while republicans are fighting for the other 55%.

All the democrats are trying to do is save face amidst staggering losses.

 

[shumlya4012]

How can the democrats say they are fighting for america when they only represent 45% (as far as the senate goes) of the population?

The democrats are fighting for 45% while republicans are fighting for the other 55%.

democrats don't represent "only 45% of population" they represent their ideas and stratagis, and impiment them on the whole population
you can't make certain laws only for democrats and other only for republicans

two different parties, but they work for one "man", which is US population

 

[Absinthe]

How can the democrats say they are fighting for america when they only represent 45% (as far as the senate goes) of the population?

The democrats are fighting for 45% while republicans are fighting for the other 55%.

All the democrats are trying to do is save face amidst staggering losses.

So... you think that most Americans would prefer to see those smug liberal judges taken out of power instead of lowered gas prices, veteran benefits, and improved healthcare? Wow. Shows how out of touch you are with the wants of America.

News Flash: Bush's ratings have fallen, not risen. The elections are over. Things have changed. Just because the Republicans received the majority's support during the election doesn't mean it will last forever.

So get with the program and make a proper post or two instead of subjecting us to your typical "Democrats are bitches" crappola.

 

[Bodacious]

democrats don't represent "only 45% of population" they represent their ideas and stratagis, and impiment them on the whole population
you can't make certain laws only for democrats and other only for republicans

two different parties, but they work for one "man", which is US population

If you don't even know how our government works why are you arguing?

You obviously don't.

Look, the people elect senators. Senators are representative of the people that elect them. Democrats vote for democrat leaders and republicans vote for republican leaders. If 45 of 100 senators are democrats (44 +1 independant) and 55 of 100 are republican, and considering each one represents the people that elect them, 45 % represent democrats and 55% represent republicans.

 

[kmack]

If you don't even know how our government works why are you arguing?

You obviously don't.

sighs and braces for bodacious' customary im an expert on everything my ideas are right yours are wrong adn ill continue to say so in the face of insurmountable fact.

Look, the people elect senators. Senators are representative of the people that elect them. Democrats vote for democrat leaders and republicans vote for republican leaders. If 45 of 100 senators are democrats (44 +1 independant) and 55 of 100 are republican, and considering each one represents the people that elect them, 45 % represent democrats and 55% represent republicans.

in a perfect world that is true, but in reality, republicans in office represent certain voters more, like say big business for example.

So you are against all the things outlined in the article presented by no limit, just because you are a republican???? (dont deny being a republican please, its just sad)

1. Women's Health Care (S. 844). "The Prevention First Act of 2005" will reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions by increasing funding for family planning and ending health insurance discrimination against women.

2. Veterans' Benefits (S. 845). "The Retired Pay Restoration Act of 2005" will assist disabled veterans who, under current law, must choose to either receive their retirement pay or disability compensation.

3. Fiscal Responsibility (S. 851). Democrats will move to restore fiscal discipline to government spending and extend the
pay-as-you-go requirement.

4. Relief at the Pump (S. 847). Democrats plan to halt the diversion of oil from the markets to the strategic petroleum reserve. By releasing oil from the reserve through a swap program, the plan will bring down prices at the pump.

5. Education (S. 848). Democrats have a bill that will: strengthen head start and child care programs, improve elementary and secondary education, provide a roadmap for first generation and low-income college students, provide college tuition relief for students and their families, address the need for math, science and special education teachers, and make college affordable for all students.

6. Jobs (S. 846). Democrats will work in support of legislation that guarantees overtime pay for workers and sets a fair minimum wage.

7. Energy Markets (S. 870). Democrats work to prevent Enron-style market manipulation of electricity.

8. Corporate Taxation (S. 872). Democrats make sure companies pay their fair share of taxes to the U.S. government instead of keeping profits overseas.

9. Standing with our troops (S. 11). Democrats believe that putting America's security first means standing up for our troops and their families

personally i think these are the things American people are worried about, not whether or not democrats should be allowed to fillibuster

 

[Bodacious]

I don't know why I don't have you on ignore. Keep assuming asinine bullcrap.

 

[CptStern]

sighs and braces for bodacious' customary im an expert on everything my ideas are right yours are wrong adn ill continue to say so in the face of insurmountable fact.

looks like you were spot on with that guess

 

[shumlya4012]

If you don't even know how our government works why are you arguing?

You obviously don't.

Look, the people elect senators. Senators are representative of the people that elect them. Democrats vote for democrat leaders and republicans vote for republican leaders. If 45 of 100 senators are democrats (44 +1 independant) and 55 of 100 are republican, and considering each one represents the people that elect them, 45 % represent democrats and 55% represent republicans.

no, but u were talk as if democrats and republicans pass laws that only effect one part of the country, but in reality, laws apply to the whole population

and why are you being so rude?

 

[No Limit]

How can the democrats say they are fighting for america when they only represent 45% (as far as the senate goes) of the population?

The democrats are fighting for 45% while republicans are fighting for the other 55%.

All the democrats are trying to do is save face amidst staggering losses.

Have you completely lost it lately? I left here for a little while, I come back and it feels like you forgot how to participate in a discussion. In every post I made and you responded to you completely ignore the topic at hand and make some wild, (i'll be frank here) dumb ass, statement. 60% of Americans are against the filibuster and even more were against the government sticking their nose in the Terri case; if you call that representing the American people you don't actually want to know what is going on in this country.

Now if you would be so kind to answer my question, Democrats have proposed all the above in the last week; what have the Republicans proposed that actually serves the American people?

 

[Bodacious]

So get with the program and make a proper post or two instead of subjecting us to your typical "Democrats are bitches" crappola.

The program doesn't change until '06. Doesn't matter until then, and even then there might be an even bigger majority of republicans. We'll just have to wait and see. Polls do not policy make.

 

[Absinthe]

The program doesn't change until '06. Doesn't matter until then, and even then there might be an even bigger majority of republicans. We'll just have to wait and see. Polls do not policy make.

You talk about how the Republicans are fighting for 55%, but you are fighting for is not even in the majority's wishes.

Again, are you saying that most Americans would prefer to see smug liberal judges taken out of power instead of lowered gas prices, veteran benefits, and improved healthcare?

 

[Bodacious]

Have you completely lost it lately? I left here for a little while, I come back and it feels like you forgot how to participate in a discussion. In every post I made and you responded to you completely ignore the topic at hand and make some wild, (i'll be frank here) dumb ass, statement. 60% of Americans are against the filibuster and even more were against the government sticking their nose in the Terri case; if you call that representing the American people you don't actually want to know what is going on in this country.

Now if you would be so kind to answer my question, Democrats have proposed all the above in the last week; what have the Republicans proposed that actually serves the American people?

Arguing with you is like arguing with any other European here. You didn't even write two lines before isulting what I had to say.

Anything the republicans do, unless of course it is in the democrats favor, is going to be wrong in your eyes.

I won't waset my time on useless crap.

 

[Absinthe]

Nice sidestep there.

With the absence of any real argument on your part, I'll assume that the Democrats are actually doing good with this and you're simply too stubborn to admit that your party is busy engaging in partisan bullshit.

 

[Bodacious]

You talk about how the Republicans are fighting for 55%, but you are fighting for is not even in the majority's wishes.

Again, are you saying that most Americans would prefer to see smug liberal judges taken out of power instead of lowered gas prices, veteran benefits, and improved healthcare?

55 not the majority? Only according to a poll. 55 is bigger than 45 is it not?

Fuzzy math eh?

It is more than "smug liberal judges." It is about the bigger picture. It is abour right to life, personal resposiblity, erosion of morals, reduction of military forces, and political correctness.

 

[Bodacious]

Nice sidestep there.

With the absence of any real argument on your part, I'll assume that the Democrats are actually doing good with this and you're simply too stubborn to admit that your party is busy engaging in partisan bullshit.

Go ahead and be blind, I won't stop you.

What I say is the truth. According to democrats republicans are the enemy. Anything republicans do will always be wrong to democrats. Otherwise there would not be so much scorn for "red staters" and no such thing as PESTS.

Take SS reform for example. The democrats were all about it in 1998. The lewinsky hit and they forgot all about it. Now republicans want to fix it and the democrats keep crying foul.

Another example is this changing of the rules. The democrats did it in the 70s when they were in power and the change favored them. Why is it a big deal today?

Partisain bullshit goes both ways.

 

[Absinthe]

55 not the majority? Only according to a poll. 55 is bigger than 45 is it not?

Fuzzy math eh?

Recent polls show that most Americans are against the filibuster.

So much for representing your country, eh?

It is more than "smug liberal judges." It is about the bigger picture. It is abour right to life, personal resposiblity, erosion of morals, reduction of military forces, and political correctness.

How utterly vague. I assume that by "right to life" you're referring to Terri Schiavo, right? Well, the Americans that wanted to see her kept as a living corpse were in the minority. And the majority of that minority did not want the government intervening, no matter what. So who are you really representing?
Again, everything else you've said is vague. So elaborate.

 

[No Limit]

Arguing with you is like arguing with any other European here. You didn't even write two lines before isulting what I had to say.

Anything the republicans do, unless of course it is in the democrats favor, is going to be wrong in your eyes.

I won't waset my time on useless crap.

Ok, fine, but before you don't reply back to this thread keep in mind you still haven't answered my simple question which is what the original topic was about.

Let me explain my insult to you, every thread I started your response is that Democrats don't have power and don't have a say in anything; you will never actually address my topic. I asked you a simple question, you won't answer it, instead you will waste your time insulting someone or will try to change the subject to something that doesn't have anything to do with it. So answer my simple question or admit you don't have an answer, then I won't have to resort to insulting your idiotic comments.

 

[Absinthe]

Go ahead and be blind, I won't stop you.

What I say is the truth. According to democrats republicans are the enemy. Anything republicans do will always be wrong to democrats. Otherwise there would not be so much scorn for "red staters" and no such thing as PESTS.

Take SS reform for example. The democrats were all about it in 1998. The lewinsky hit and they forgot all about it. Now republicans want to fix it and the democrats keep crying foul.

Another example is this changing of the rules. The democrats did it in the 70s when they were in power and the change favored them. Why is it a big deal today?

Partisain bullshit goes both ways.

This is all very nice and profound, but you still have completely avoided addressing the topic. So I'm waiting for that.

 

[No Limit]

Take SS reform for example. The democrats were all about it in 1998. The lewinsky hit and they forgot all about it. Now republicans want to fix it and the democrats keep crying foul.

A classic example of you misstating facts when you know they are false. We already had this discussion before I pointed out how that is a flat out lie. When Clintion said in 98 that SS was in trouble the CBO projection at the time for when SS would be gone was only 20 years away from when he made that speech. The new CBO projection is 40 years away. I shouldn't have to repeat these things to you when you aren't able to defend them in another thread; please, for christ sake, stop posting lies when you know they are lies, I will catch it every time.

 

[CptStern]

erosion of morals? you gotta be kidding me ...whole generations of children wiped off the face of this earth yet they're worried about exposing people to nipples? The real erosion of morals is in the fact that people actually supported reducing Iraq to rubble ...all based on a lie ....sad day indeed when the administration that is pushing "family morals" couldnt be bothered to follow them themselves

 

[Bodacious]

no, but u were talk as if democrats and republicans pass laws that only effect one part of the country, but in reality, laws apply to the whole population

and why are you being so rude?

That is pretty much what they do, the people that don't want those laws just have to deal with it.

Look at segregation. Democrats of the time were whole hartedly against it, yet the law passed, inspite of the minority disagreeing and actual fillibusters, and the law made society better for the people today.

Majortiy rule.

 

[No Limit]

Look at segregation. Democrats of the time were whole hartedly against it, yet the law passed, inspite of the minority disagreeing and actual fillibusters, and the law made society better for the people today.

Majortiy rule.

Will you please stop trying to sway the arugment in another direction. I can point out how misleading, yet again, you are in that statement. However, all I want from you is a simple answer to my simple question. if you aren't going to provide that please, just stop replying.

 

[Bodacious]

Recent polls show that most Americans are against the filibuster.

So much for representing your country, eh?

Do recent polls put congressmen in office? No, they don't. Polls aren't a true representatvie of the pepole. If it were congress would be obsolete.

How utterly vague. I assume that by "right to life" you're referring to Terri Schiavo, right? Well, the Americans that wanted to see her kept as a living corpse were in the minority. And the majority of that minority did not want the government intervening, no matter what. So who are you really representing?
Again, everything else you've said is vague. So elaborate.

Right to life also means abortion.

 

[Bodacious]

Will you please stop trying to sway the arugment in another direction. I can point out how misleading, yet again, you are in that statement. However, all I want from you is a simple answer to my simple question.

I am not saying anything to you. I haven't called anything you said dumb bullshit.

 

[No Limit]

I am answering questions as I see them, wait your turn and quit crying.

My question was the first question asked, hence why I am the original poster. Still waiting.

 

[Bodacious]

My question was the first question asked, hence why I am the original poster. Still waiting.

I changed my mind. See my above post.

 

[No Limit]

I changed my mind. See my above post.

Ok, so you don't have an answer for what have the Republicans done for the people in the senate? If you think that adds to your and Republican credibility, fine, you must live in another universe. Hopefully voters in 06 will be a little smarter (I suspect they will).

Now, if anyone else wants to take a stab at it please do. I've been starving for a good political discussion on here but for some reason it never happens because people post dumb ass replies that have nothing to do with the original topic.

 

[Absinthe]

Do recent polls put congressmen in office? No, they don't. Polls aren't a true representatvie of the pepole. If it were congress would be obsolete.

And representatives are also not always representative. You said so yourself that we'll be waiting until '06 until things change. So what's to stop the representatives for chasing goals not shared with their constituents.

Right to life also means abortion.

Debatable as to wether or not that is the actual termination of life, but that's handled in another topic.

You've still not cleared up the rest of your obscurities.

 

[Bodacious]

Ok, so you don't have an answer for what have the Republicans done for the people in the senate? If you think that adds to your and Republican credibility, fine, you must live in another universe. Hopefully voters in 06 will be a little smarter (I suspect they will).

Now, if anyone else wants to take a stab at it please do. I've been starving for a good political discussion on here but for some reason it never happens because people post dumb ass replies that have nothing to do with the original topic.

Of course I have an answer. However, I prefer to converse with people who actually respect what I have to say (looks like I am being incosnsitent, though, replying to absinthe, so go figure).

 

[Bodacious]

And representatives are also not always representative. You said so yourself that we'll be waiting until '06 until things change. So what's to stop the representatives for chasing goals not shared with their constituents.

And what if more republicans are elected in 06? What will you say then?

Debatable as to wether or not that is the actual termination of life, but that's handled in another topic.

You've still not cleared up the rest of your obscurities.

It is abour right to life - abortion, schiavo case
personal resposiblity - welfare
erosion of morals - distribution of condoms
reduction of military forces - Clinton's castration of the military
political correctness - Happy Holidays, crap like that.

 

[No Limit]

NO you don't have an answer, cut the crap. You dodged it every time and then said you would get to the question. Luckily I quoted you saying it before you decided you would edit your reply to say you don't owe me an answer (aka you don't have one). If you aren't willing to have a good political discussion then I have no idea why you even come to this board.

I asked you a simple question, what have the republicans done in the senate in the last few weeks that is for the people. All you had to do was post a bill or 2 (I posted 9), instead you posted this:

How can the democrats say they are fighting for america when they only represent 45% (as far as the senate goes) of the population?

Yes, I called that reply dumbass and I still stand by that and for some reason I have this strange feeling that everyone here agrees with me.

Edited to fix some spelling errors.

 

[CptStern]

erosion of morals - distribution of condoms

how is that an "erosion of morals"? if anything that's about responsibility ..you say you dont agree with abortion but how willl you realistically prevent that if people dont use condoms ...surely you're not advocating ccelibacy for america's youth ...that's just unrealistic

 

[No Limit]

how is that an "erosion of morals"? if anything that's about responsibility ..you say you dont agree with abortion but how willl you realistically prevent that if people dont use condoms ...surely you're not advocating ccelibacy for america's youth ...that's just unrealistic

God, no, don't pass out condoms. Then when the teen who had unprotected sex gets pregnant deny her welfare and feed her a bunch of bullshit about personal responsibility. Republican "moral values" in a nut shell.

 

[CptStern]

hmmm I've often wondered what Cheney would do if his daughter (gay) wanted to get married ..oh I'd love to be a fly on the wall on that day

 

[kmack]

erosion of morals - distribution of condoms

someone is not getting any :E

 

[Absinthe]

And what if more republicans are elected in 06? What will you say then?

Tad irrelevant, aren't we?

It is abour right to life - abortion, schiavo case

Debatable as to wether or not those things actually constitute life.

personal resposiblity - welfare

And? What about it? No matter though. Irrelevant to the topic.

erosion of morals - distribution of condoms

So STDs and morals go hand in hand?

reduction of military forces - Clinton's castration of the military

Okay, what does this have to do with the topic? And what does this have to do with an out-of-control judiciary?

political correctness - Happy Holidays, crap like that.

Who cares?

Actually, screw it. I'll make this simple.

For the third time... Are you saying that most Americans would prefer to see smug liberal judges taken out of power instead of lowered gas prices, veteran benefits, and improved healthcare?

This requires a simple "Yes" or "No" answer. Attempts to change the subject, sidestep around the question, or simply refusing to give a response will result in your loss of credibility. Not mine.

I expect some kind of "I don't care if a liberal thinks I'm not credible" response from you, but that may not happen now that it's sort of been pre-empted.

 

[Absinthe]

Of course I have an answer. However, I prefer to converse with people who actually respect what I have to say (looks like I am being incosnsitent, though, replying to absinthe, so go figure).

"They are either traitors or idiots"

Whoops!

You know, I could make some joke about irony here, but it would so easy and obvious that I'd be ashamed of myself.

Bodacious, how can you expect people to respect what you say when act like such a repellent asshole? If somebody criticizes Republicans, you say the Dems are acting like bitches. When somebody comments on your attitude, you do a routine of apathy and/or tell them to report you to a mod. You constantly trash liberals. Hell, each post you make does, considering your sig. Least of all, you don't even answer direct questions.

So what do you expect? You are flamebait incarnate. You certainly won't be getting any courtesy from me when you act like such a prick (and I expect some smartass quip about what value my courtesy is to you). To act as if there's some liberal agenda to gang up on you out of desparation is false. GhostFox and Calanen manage to do well. So what's your excuse for being so vile?

 

[No Limit]

I really want an answer to my question, anyone? Ghost, seinfeldrules, hapless, Scoobnfl, Calanen, maybe even GhostFox, are you all out there???