Diablo 3

[Pressure]

Sorry to all those coming in thinking there's gonna be a Diablo 3 but there isn't.

I was just wondering what your thoughts are relating to Blizzard's choice to end the Diablo series and start of a new one. Since their newest RPG, or rather MMORPG, is out I want to hear your thoughts about it.

For those who played neither the Diablo series or WoW heres some short descriptions:

Diablo

Starting with the Diablo series. The player chose a class and fought through a relatively story driven linear game doing several quests for each level but ending with a final boss that moved the story forward. Not to say that the story line was complex but it was clearly visible to the player. You didn't have to search for it because it was right infront of you.

The playing style was that of a hack and slash RPG where you are almost overwhelmed by a group of monsters and you "hack and slash" your way through them. Single players could take on a screen full of monsters and still come out alive. Although in higher difficulties it would be better to party players usually soloed or played with a friend or two.

The view the player got was a top-down view where the player was looking down on their character. In Diablo 2 you could choose "perspective" wich was at a slight angle and things closer to you seemed larger and things far away seemed smaller. The top-down/perspective view style is probably the most effective for the playing style of this game.

In Diablo the multiplayer limit for a game was 4 people per each player made server. A relatively small group but it worked for that game at that time. Diablo 2 doubled the amount of people to 8 and created what was known as realm servers. In realm servers if the person who made the server left the game would keep running. In an Open server if the person who made the server, or host, left then the server would shut down.

World of Warcraft

Blizzard decided to change things up with their most recent title "World of WarCraft", or WoW. The game is no longer story driven with a few quests but rather quest driven with a tiny bit of story. The players are given random small quests that they have to go out and do then come back for a reward, pretty much like all quests in every game.

In Wow players still get to choose from classes but now they also get to choose races. Each race and class have their own special attributes and some races are better than others at certain jobs but not by much. Overall its a much more diverse system.

The biggest difference however is in the playing style. Since WoW is not a RPG but a MMORPG it doesn't have the "hack and slash" style play. The palyer usually only fights one monster at a time and at higher levels players must group together inorder to fight just one monster.

The point of view has also changed. They've used a 3D system in WoW where the player can rotate the camera and get a view of the map and their player from all angles. They can zoom in to get a more detailed view or zoom out to get a more general view of the area around them.

Since WoW is a MMORPG there are thousands of people all on one server. Once you pick a server and create a character on that server you cannot move that character to a different server. This allows for a larger fixed community with more player involvement. In one day of gaming you literally run into hundreds of other players while questing.

Your Opinion

But here is where I want your opinions on the matter. If you have played both WoW and the Diablo series you must have liked one more than the other. My question is, if Blizzard were to make another RPG would you want another Diablo styled game, i.e. Diablo 3, or would you want another MMORPG like WoW? Please state which one and why.

I would personally perfer a Diablo 3. There was something about WoW that turned me off, like most other MMORPGs. Maybe it's that you only fight one monster at a time, maybe it's something else. But there's something about MMORPGs that I can only play them for about a month before I get bored to tears. The Diablo series, however, kept me hooked for the longest time. Some of my fondest gaming memories come from playing the Diablo games.

Which one would you rather have and why?

 

[johnnypoopoopant]

i have not played WOW, but i have played both diablo 1 and 2, and it was a fun game so they should just leave it as it is if they were to make 3

 

[Pressure]

Yea that's what I mean. Fundamently the same thing but with newer content, like items and spells and such. I wouldn't want them to change the core gameplay or the point of view of the Diablo series.

 

[Cole]

Lets have both Hq and north work on sc2....
Thats what should be worked on...even though there is no need for 2 teams to work on it..

Blizzard is actually 2 companies.
Blizzard North
Blizzard HQ
Both located in california, pretty close togeather.
Blizzard North made Diablo series.

Blizzard HQ made Sc, and Wc series.

Starting with the Diablo series. The player chose a class and fought through a relatively story driven linear game doing several quests for each level but ending with a final boss that moved the story forward. Not to say that the story line was complex but it was clearly visible to the player. You didn't have to search for it because it was right infront of you.

Actually the background of the Diablo series has one hell of a storyline. It's actually quite GOOD.
Diablo 2 was a totally diffrent feeling than Diablo in all sense. Diablo was rather a creepy feeling. The storyline may have been about "Hell" and things but was still unique in its own way. The background story of everything is still one of the greatest things I have read today.

Diablo 2's storyline to me...was very poor....the community really wouldn't notice if a patch got released that changed the whole storyline onsept the basics were the same for each act. Most of the community is just rush....cow\baal runs.... lvl 99....restart..

The oringal Diablo was something more. There was no real rushing in it all.

I wouldn't mind a Diablo 3 as long as it took mechanics from the oringal Diablo. Which was a nice creepy feeling. Which pushed along tword the real part of Diablo. Every time you play Diablo you are not the main part in the overall diablo universe. Infact you are a piss poor part in what the Prime and Lesser evils(7 Total) want.

They want Heaven. Nothing more, nothing less. They could care less about the mortal world. Read the Diablo handbook(Not strategy guild) and you would relize that. The 7 evils are, azmodan, belial, Andariel, Duriel, Mephisto, Baal, Diablo. Azmodan and Belial banished the prime evils, (Meph, baal, diablo) to the mortal world. They did this so heaven would thus attack the mortal world and Azmodan and Belial could take power of hell and attack heaven. Before they attacked heaven they went into a civil war over who had more power.

No one knows anything more of Azmodan and Belial, and they will most likly play a drastic part in D3. Most likly it will push twords the main storyline of Diablo. The war of heaven and hell.

The Diablo hand book has some great stories in it in the diablo universe.



Remember Blizzard North is quite a diffrent company than that of Blizzard HQ. Blizzard North was creating diablo, known as conner then, and Blizzard HQ picked them up onto there shoulders and made them apart of the Blizzard franchise. They could easily work on a new starcraft and diablo at the same time.

 

[Pressure]

Lets have both Hq and north work on sc2....
Thats what should be worked on...even though there is no need for 2 teams to work on it..

Blizzard is actually 2 companies.
Blizzard North
Blizzard HQ
Both located in california, pretty close togeather.
Blizzard North made Diablo series.

Blizzard HQ made Sc, and Wc series.


Actually the background of the Diablo series has one hell of a storyline. It's actually quite GOOD.
Diablo 2 was a totally diffrent feeling than Diablo in all sense. Diablo was rather a creepy feeling. The storyline may have been about "Hell" and things but was still unique in its own way. The background story of everything is still one of the greatest things I have read today.

Diablo 2's storyline to me...was very poor....the community really wouldn't notice if a patch got released that changed the whole storyline onsept the basics were the same for each act. Most of the community is just rush....cow\baal runs.... lvl 99....restart..

The oringal Diablo was something more. There was no real rushing in it all.

I wouldn't mind a Diablo 3 as long as it took mechanics from the oringal Diablo. Which was a nice creepy feeling. Which pushed along tword the real part of Diablo. Every time you play Diablo you are not the main part in the overall diablo universe. Infact you are a piss poor part in what the Prime and Lesser evils(7 Total) want.

They want Heaven. Nothing more, nothing less. They could care less about the mortal world. Read the Diablo handbook(Not strategy guild) and you would relize that. The 7 evils are, azmodan, belial, Andariel, Duriel, Mephisto, Baal, Diablo. Azmodan and Belial banished the prime evils, (Meph, baal, diablo) to the mortal world. They did this so heaven would thus attack the mortal world and Azmodan and Belial could take power of hell and attack heaven. Before they attacked heaven they went into a civil war over who had more power.

No one knows anything more of Azmodan and Belial, and they will most likly play a drastic part in D3. Most likly it will push twords the main storyline of Diablo. The war of heaven and hell.

The Diablo hand book has some great stories in it in the diablo universe.



Remember Blizzard North is quite a diffrent company than that of Blizzard HQ. Blizzard North was creating diablo, known as conner then, and Blizzard HQ picked them up onto there shoulders and made them apart of the Blizzard franchise. They could easily work on a new starcraft and diablo at the same time.

Well I couldn't really get into all the mechanics of the story to keep it brief. You've cleared it up nicely though. You are correct in that they do have a lot of content to make a Diablo 3 game with and that's what I'd wish they'd do. The thing is Blizzard has already said they'll never make another Diablo and that's what saddens me.

 

[Cole]

The thing is Blizzard has already said they'll never make another Diablo and that's what saddens me.

When did they say that?
Blizzard North is all about Diablo and its one of there biggest franchises in the world.

 

[destrukt]

They can't not make Diablo 3 : (

Also, it would kill it if it was mmorpg style, that's just not Diablo.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

New diablo now plz.

 

[gh0st]

The same. Hack and slash, with new graphics, new spells, and maybe some new characters.

 

[Pressure]

When did they say that?
Blizzard North is all about Diablo and its one of there biggest franchises in the world.

In the PC Gamer US 100 Best Games of all time issue. Diablo/Diablo 2 was top 5 and one of the questions was along the lines of Do you have plans for a new Diablo expansion pack or game? They said no they were done with the Diablo series. I got the magazine at home and I go back Tuesday so I can give you a direct quote of that question then.

EDIT: Interesting enough I just found this posted today on Blizzard's main website and it's gotten my interest peaked .

February 3, 2005

New Blizzard Job Openings

New Job Opening - Lead Game Designer
Blizzard North is looking for an experienced Game Designer to lead the team that created Diablo and Diablo II. If you've led the design of a quality shipped title and feel you have the talent and determination for the job, see the Lead Game Designer position for more information.

New Position - 3D Character Artist
Blizzard North is looking to hire an experienced 3D Character Artist to help populate our game worlds with incredible characters and creatures. If you can translate concepts into fully realized 3D characters and love making new creatures from the abyss, then look to our 3D Character Artist position for more information.

New Job Opening - Environmental Technical Artist
Are you always looking to create that perfect, spooky environment? Is working with artists and programmers to get every detail of light, model, texture and FX perfect part of your ideal day? If you said yes to these questions, then Blizzard North may have the perfect position for you! Please see our Environmental Technical Artist posting for more information.

New Position - Reports and Tools Programmer
Blizzard is looking for a programmer that is experienced in gathering huge amounts of data and presenting them in perfectly understandable reports and presentations. This person would also be able to create the user interfaces that would make manipulating the data seem easy. If this sounds like this would appeal to you, please refer to our Reports and Tools Programmer for more information.

I dunno if this is for some other game or not but it sounds like good news concerning a new Diablo game despite what I've read. HOLD ME BACK I'M GETTING FRILLY!

 

[Revisedsoul]

i couldnt see it posted here, but didnt the majority of the blizzard north team leave blizzard a few years back

 

[colson]

I think blizzard should recreate Diablo with better graphics and stuff much as what happened to Doom with Doom 3. Not a sequal but a remake.

 

[Pressure]

I think blizzard should recreate Diablo with better graphics and stuff much as what happened to Doom with Doom 3. Not a sequal but a remake.

That would be boring without any new content.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

That would be boring without any new content.

same, i'd rather see new content as well

 

[Bad^Hat]

As much as I'm loving WoW, I really want another Diablo

 

[Pressure]

I think the worst thing they could do it change the playing style for Diablo 3. If they made it so you only fight 1 monster at a time I think I'd go insane. Also, if you used the 3D panning camera instead of the top-down view I'd have to fly the Blizzard HQ and regulate.

i couldnt see it posted here, but didnt the majority of the blizzard north team leave blizzard a few years back

You were right about the Diablo team quitting. There hasn't been much news from them at all. If those screens are from their game I'm quite interested .

http://www.castawayentertainment.com/

 

[Baal]

i couldnt see it posted here, but didnt the majority of the blizzard north team leave blizzard a few years back

Didn't they go create guild wars though?

 

[oldagerocker]

I'd like another diablo, to finish the series but when i think of RPG, i just dribble for another Baldurs Gate for story.
Just took a look at the castaway website.. if that is their latest game it certainly does look diablo-esque. :thumbs:

Except when i just saw this... take a look...

http://www.castawayentertainment.com/eapr.html

bye bye... Diablo 3.

 

[Danimal]

Me and my friends use random Diablo 2 quotes in conversations sometimes... I can only imagine what it would be like in Diablo 3 :thumbs:

 

[Kouler]

Me and my friends use random Diablo 2 quotes in conversations sometimes... I can only imagine what it would be like in Diablo 3 :thumbs:

Here! Take it! Look what this stone has DONE to me :rolling: :thumbs:

 

[Cole]

Those who left North made
CastawayStudiois
Flagship
Arenanet

 

[Pressure]

Any reason as to why they left?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Oh dear god, castaway signed a deal with EA.....

Any reason as to why they left?

I dont know but it happened pretty soon after Vivendi bought Blizzard, I dont understand then why after that they would sign a deal with EA :|

 

[Pressure]

The fact that they've signed with EA makes me lose a lot of interest. God can only imagine what style of cookie-cutter game they want them to make. A Sims 2 expansion maybe?

 

[Cole]

In the PC Gamer US 100 Best Games of all time issue. Diablo/Diablo 2 was top 5 and one of the questions was along the lines of Do you have plans for a new Diablo expansion pack or game? They said no they were done with the Diablo series. I got the magazine at home and I go back Tuesday so I can give you a direct quote of that question then.

Just make sure they didn't say
"We have no plans to create a new Diablo game(Or No plans at this time).
They say that with every unannounced game.
Ask new starcraft game.
They will say the same thing.
New Wc game?
They will say the same thing.
New D game?
They will say the same thing.

It's blizzard lingo for, where not gonna tell you!! Muahhaah us evil bastards!

 

[Pressure]

I'll be able to read it again Tuesday if I can find the magazine lol.

Looks like people perfer Diablo over WoW just like me .

 

[Seppo]

I don't know which one to vote. I like the Diablo series alot. WoW looks really interesting, but the only thing holding me back is the monthly fee. What I'd really like to see is a game like WoW without a monthly payment system. I think I'll vote Diablo 3

 

[Pressure]

I don't know which one to vote. I like the Diablo series alot. WoW looks really interesting, but the only thing holding me back is the monthly fee. What I'd really like to see is a game like WoW without a monthly payment system. I think I'll vote Diablo 3

Have you ever played any other MMORPG? Yea just act like that game was WoW and there you have it .

 

[ray_MAN]

Here! Take it! Look what this stone has DONE to me :rolling: :thumbs:

Didn't Marius say that when just before Baal revealed himself?
EDIT: Oh yeah, on topic. I hate most MMORPG's mainly because of the monthly fee. If all of them took after Guild Wars (which I still haven't played), they would be better. However, I loved Diablo II. It was an amazing game with an amazing storyline, and in fact I play it to this day. If Blizzard began making a Diablo III I would probably go insane.

 

[Seppo]

Have you ever played any other MMORPG? Yea just act like that game was WoW and there you have it .

Does Runescape count as an MMORPG? Because it's quite good
But I've never played any "real" MMORPG

 

[Cole]

Diablo II

D2 had a...okay storyline. It was nice but nobody notices it these days because of what multiplayer became.

Hes rayman that is what marius said right before baal revealed himself.

 

[Pressure]

Yes, that quote is from when Marius thought that Baal was the Archangel Tyrael coming to see him. After Marius was done telling his story Baal asked for the stone and he gave it to him. That's when Marius called him Tyrael and Baal said, "Oh, I'm not Tyreal" and he pulled off his hood revealing himself. Marius started crying and scrambled away into the corner or something. Then as Baal was walking out and the place caught fire.

This may not be exact because I didn't watch it but it's what I can barely remember since I haven't seen the movie in years.

Here's another quote from Diablo 2 (atleast what I think he said):

"NO! FOOL! Do you realize what you've done!"

 

[Loke]

If there’s one boss I hate in Diablo II, it's Duriel. When you first walk into the room, Duriel is right on to kill you, and that little freaking room you fight him in makes it impossible for you to run away from him.

I always need some other people's help when fighting Duriel. If someone got a tip what’s the best way to kill Duriel I would appreciate it.

"Looking for Baal?*

 

[Seppo]

If there’s one boss I hate in Diablo II, it's Duriel. When you first walk into the room, Duriel is right on to kill you, and that little freaking room you fight him in makes it impossible for you to run away from him.

I always need some other people's help when fighting Duriel. If someone got a tip what’s the best way to kill Duriel I would appreciate it.

"Looking for Baal?*

Yeah, you got it right there. Duriel is a tough one and in my opinion the most annoying boss in the whole game.

This might seem a bit obvious, but I always cast a townportal immediately when I get into the cave. That way I can hit Duriel a few times and escape when I'm out of potions. Just repeat this till the maggot lies dead before you! This also prevents you having to walk back all the way from the town if you die.

If you're a barbarian, use leap attack. Also cold attacks are pretty useful. If you're not a wizard then just temporarily buy some cheap ass weapon that has cold attack

 

[Loke]

I'll try that and see if it works for me, thanks for the tip.

I always hire a merchant when I'm playing. The Act II merchants are good when you need some close combat merchants, they have a pretty fast attack speed and are tough. I haven’t hired the Barbarian merchants so much, so I can’t remember how they are.

 

[ray_MAN]

Here's another quote from Diablo 2 (atleast what I think he said):

"NO! FOOL! Do you realize what you've done!"

That's easy. When Marius pulled the Soul Stone out of Tal Rasha/Baal. I loved the cutscenes in Diablo II.
And about Duriel: If you are a necromancer, use bone spear and make clay golems to keep him occupied, and when you are low on health just run to town portal. Going toe-to-toe with Duriel is basically useless.

 

[Kouler]

Didn't Marius say that when just before Baal revealed himself?

Yes it is

 

[nutcrackr]

For me Diablo 2 and LOD were fantastic sequels to the game I came to love so long ago. One thing I'm pleased about in Diablo 2 is the size, rather than a few dungeons like the first Diablo was miles upon miles of open land with many dungeons within them. Quests were great and I think just about everything improved for the better, Aside from no more firewall for a warrior they did a great job with Diablo 2. Great cinematics, great range of weapons, skills and items..

I doubt they will make a Diablo game again, a lot of those who worked on diablo, starcraft left for greener pastures as has been said. I even emailed arenanet to see if they were being outsourced, heh. I've heard Guild Wars is very similar to Diablo gameplay in a 3D world so I will keep an eye out for that.

"He was not gaining strength, he was losing what was left of his humanity"

 

[Cole]

"He was not gaining strength, he was losing what was left of his humanity"

The voice.. I remember that voice PERFECTLY.

rather than a few dungeons like the first Diablo was miles upon miles of open land with many dungeons within them.

Not sure what your saying here. Diablo create an absolutly new dungeon every single time. They didn't make 100 levels of the same level, but rather it 100% made a brand new level.


It was improved but the community simply.... they don't see the games story anymore. Most is just rush...get to high level..maybe trade.... etc...

"Baal"

 

[mortiz]

I don't know, when EA published games for TTLG who developed System Shock 2 they pretty much let the have there way with it. So back then anyway EA understood to some degree the need for creative license, but times have changed and I'm not sure what the EA of today would do.