Did anyone else notice?

[Sgt_Shellback]

Yesterday Intel pulled the plug on their program to get to 4 Gig.

 

[Hazar]

AMD rocks!

 

[CptStern]

hmmm no I didnt :E ..did they give reasons?

btw, where you been shellback, havent seen you in awhile

 

[Ecthe|ioN]

Yeah, I read that somewhere. Looks like they are going to make an effort in increasing the cpu speed to 3.8GHz and add 2MB cache. They are going to concentrate on optimizing the CPU instead of just increasing the speed. I think it's a good idea, since AMD processors are more effecient than Intel cpu's.

 

[blahblahblah]

That's horrible. It really is. AMD has no reason to cut prices on their Athlon 64s now.

I have an Athlon XP 2800+ that I've had for a year and a couple of months now. In 7 months I plan on upgrading my CPU again. It looks like I will be buying an Athlon 64 2800+ based on prices right now. Rather pathetic price/performance increases over two years if you must ask me.

If this holds true I may just buy a PDA or a nice watch. 10% performance increase for $150 isn't worth it. :| Especially when I have to spend the money on a new motherboard as well.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

hmmm no I didnt :E ..did they give reasons?

btw, where you been shellback, havent seen you in awhile

They missed a few milestones in getting the 4 Gig out and their CEO said that to get it done they'd have to pull too much engineering resource away from other things...

They are going to focus all their efforts on what sounded to me like a dual processor in one package to emphasize their multitasking prowess. It almost sounded to me like they were admitting their clock speed metric isn't really a good measure of performance.... (Like AMD's been saying all along) They were talking about measuring the number of operations performed or something like that.

I've always been here... But from work I stay out of OT... At home I can't get my firewall working to where I can post but I read through everything.

 

[Nex321]

Where did you read that? And isn't 2mb cache a EE that costs $1000?

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

Where did you read that? And isn't 2mb cache a EE that costs $1000?

I should have known better to come without a link. I heard it on the radio but here's a story from Reuters

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...ntel_roadmap_dc&cid=569&ncid=569&sid=96479358

 

[Nex321]

Doesn't say anything about 2 mb cache, will 2 mb cache be a normal P4 or a EE? Seriously intel needs to release 4 ghz 64bit with 2 mb cache to have a chance against A64

 

[Mujuro]

That sucks for us, AMD has no reason to lower their prices now, so we will remain to pay a boat load of cash until Intel releases it's new processor.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

That's horrible. It really is. AMD has no reason to cut prices on their Athlon 64s now.

I have an Athlon XP 2800+ that I've had for a year and a couple of months now. In 7 months I plan on upgrading my CPU again. It looks like I will be buying an Athlon 64 2800+ based on prices right now. Rather pathetic price/performance increases over two years if you must ask me.

If this holds true I may just buy a PDA or a nice watch. 10% performance increase for $150 isn't worth it. :| Especially when I have to spend the money on a new motherboard as well.

2800+ is a fairly OCable chip right? i'd save my money.. but remember, even without intel's competition, amd has already decided to drop socket a and go to a 754/939/940 model, so 754 will become the "value" line.. they'll take it up to 4000+ or so (i'm just guessing, but i'm sure it's roadmapped) before they discontinue it in 1st qt 2006.

 

[X|Rolando]

Some "expert" talked about how the 4GHz used too mus power and generated too much heat. Theyll try focusing on dual core processors aswell as other stuff, instead of increasing clockspeeds and stretching the architecture way too thin...

 

[CptStern]

They missed a few milestones in getting the 4 Gig out and their CEO said that to get it done they'd have to pull too much engineering resource away from other things...

They are going to focus all their efforts on what sounded to me like a dual processor in one package to emphasize their multitasking prowess. It almost sounded to me like they were admitting their clock speed metric isn't really a good measure of performance.... (Like AMD's been saying all along) They were talking about measuring the number of operations performed or something like that.

I've always been here... But from work I stay out of OT... At home I can't get my firewall working to where I can post but I read through everything.

well, I did enjoy or discussions (although I'm sure we pissed each other off from time to time), so come back real soon ya hear


hmmmmm I really dont understand the technical mumbo-jumbo but does that mean we've reached a plateau in processing speed?

 

[blahblahblah]

hmmmmm I really dont understand the technical mumbo-jumbo but does that mean we've reached a plateau in processing speed?

No, its just a temporary resting place. Intel adopted a stupid strategy around 2-3 years ago and its killing them right now. It will be another 2-3 years before Intel recovers from its mistakes. Right now they are about 6 months into the recovery period.

 

[CptStern]

so basically it'll be a few months before we see any sort of big leaps in speed?

 

[blahblahblah]

so basically it'll be a few months before we see any sort of big leaps in speed?

A bit longer than that, probably closer to a year before I expect to see anything substantial from Intel.

This was a 3rd party heatsink designed for an upcoming Intel processor (it has been canceled)

That is a 120mm fan in the background. That should give you an idea of some of the heat problems that Intel processors were going to face in the future.

Basically, Intel has to redesign all of their desktop processors. Luckily, they have their Pentium M (from their laptops) which are really good chips. But it will be a while before I would consider buying a Intel desktop processor.

I don't think processor prices will be falling anytime soon. AMD is just going to sit there and collect extra profits on its Athlon 64's while Intel is being stupid.

 

[CptStern]

Holy shite those things are huge!

I currently have a p4 2.8C so I'm not looking to buy one anytime soon, but it's good to know what's on the horizon ...I'll probably switch to amd by then anyways. Thx for the info

 

[blahblahblah]

Holy shite those things are huge!

I currently have a p4 2.8C so I'm not looking to buy one anytime soon, but it's good to know what's on the horizon ...I'll probably switch to amd by then anyways. Thx for the info

Its important to remember, that Intel has canceled that specific processor that heatsink was meant for. But it gives you an idea on what type of road Intel was heading down. Like I said, that processor is canceled, but, it takes many years to design a processor. That means Intel will have to throw something together pretty fast. Let me tell you nothing good can come from rushing a complicated piece of electronics like a processor.

Basically, it sucks to work for Intel or be an Intel fanboy. It's a lose lose situation with Intel right now.

 

[Sgt_Shellback]

When Intel gets back to clock speed I'd bet by then we'd be looking at freon cooling... It'll have to come to that eventually.

I know there's units out there with AC now but I mean as a standard desktop PC.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

This was a 3rd party heatsink designed for an upcoming Intel processor (it has been canceled)

a moot question, seeing as the processor is cancelled, but are those heatsinks passive? that'd go some way to explaining their enormity.

 

[blahblahblah]

a moot question, seeing as the processor is cancelled, but are those heatsinks passive? that'd go some way to explaining their enormity.

No, upcoming Intel processors were absolutely crazy on the heat output. IIRC, they were in the neighborhood of 50% additional heat of a Tejas Processor than a P4 C.

As it stands right now, current P4 (prescott core) processors put out too much heat in my opinion. There is a thread in this forum about a couple of people looking for a new case because their current case can't take the heat away from the Prescott processors fast enough.

Don't expect the heat issue to go away from Intel. Upcoming processor are still based on the Prescott core. When you add additional L2 Cache, you are increasing your heat output even further.

 

[Asus]

And adding L2 cache is their last resort. Can't clock it high enough and it's a bottlenecked design. Cache is their best option, just hope it isn't higher latency cache like on some of their current CPUs.