Did soliders in Vietnam die in vain?

[Solaris]

Yes they did, the brave men and women of the Vietcong successfully defeated the capitalist invaders and occupiers of south Vietnam.

 

[Ennui]

Over fifty thousand American soldiers died in vain in Vietnam. Obviously, they did some heroic, meaningful things - saving villagers or fellow soldiers or what have you - but overall, given that it was a complete military failure and we did nothing but exacerbate the shitty situation in Vietnam, it was all in vain.

However, I don't mind veterans ignoring that fact. It's easier for them to be knowingly wrong but feel like they risked their lives and saw friends die for something important and meaningful rather than for nothing, which is the truth, and I think we can afford them that luxury.

 

[Tick]

Yes they did, the brave men and women of the Vietcong successfully defeated the capitalist invaders and occupiers of south Vietnam.

jesus ****ing christ man.wtf,this is a clear case of brain leakage:O

 

[Pulse]

Yes they did, the brave men and women of the Vietcong successfully defeated the capitalist invaders and occupiers of south Vietnam.

If you truly hate capitalism as much as you claim, why do you reside in a capitalist society?

gb2/Venezuela

 

[Solaris]

If you truly hate capitalism as much as you claim, why do you reside in a capitalist society?

gb2/Venezuela

Socialism must be an international movement if it is to succeed, when the revolution comes I will be in a position to stage a coup at the town hall.

 

[Pulse]

Socialism must be an international movement if it is to succeed, when the revolution comes I will be in a position to stage a coup at the town hall.

That is ridiculously funny.

 

[Solaris]

I'm not being serious.

The reason I don't want to go to Venusalua is becuase it is a poor country and I want to live a comfortable life.
Socialist countries can still be poor if isolated.

 

[Pulse]

I'm not being serious.

The reason I don't want to go to Venusalua is becuase it is a poor country and I want to live a comfortable life.
Socialist countries can still be poor if isolated.

You're too attached to the lifestyle capitalism has provided you eh?

Anyway going off topic now, I agree with what Ennui said completely.

 

[Tagaziel]

I'm not being serious.

The reason I don't want to go to Venusalua is becuase it is a poor country and I want to live a comfortable life.
Socialist countries can still be poor if isolated.

Capitalist pig.

 

[kirovman]

when the revolution comes I will be in a position to stage a coup at the town hall.

lol!

 

[losttheskyagain]

Did you know: Vietnam was on the verge of crumbling, ready to surrender, when Kissinger decided to strike a deal. If we had had one more week in Vietnam, that word would have a very different connotation than it does today.

 

[CptStern]

Did you know: Vietnam was on the verge of crumbling, ready to surrender, when Kissinger decided to strike a deal. If we had had one more week in Vietnam, that word would have a very different connotation than it does today.

which side of vietnam? the north or south ....

 

[15357]

Did you know: Vietnam was on the verge of crumbling, ready to surrender, when Kissinger decided to strike a deal. If we had had one more week in Vietnam, that word would have a very different connotation than it does today.

The US could have just burned down everything from the air; North Vietnam had extremely limited air support/anti air capabilities.... But nooo, they had to sacrifice the infantry. Which I think must have been an idiotic experiment or there was a yippie in the Administration at that time.

 

[CptStern]

The US could have just burned down everything from the air; North Vietnam had extremely limited air support/anti air capabilities.... But nooo, they had to sacrifice the infantry. Which I think must have been an idiotic experiment or there was a yippie in the Administration at that time.

:upstare: ...Hippy, Numbers not Yippie ..yippee means something else


lol @ JFK being a "hippy" or perhaps you meant Nixon ..ya Nixon was definately a hippy


oh and scorched earth policy (Napalm, Agent orange) was very much a part of US policy in vietnam ..it was completely ineffective ..unless you count 4 years of bombing Cambodia to the stone age killing thousands of civilians a success

 

[Nemesis6]

I heard that soldiers actually threw away their M16s for the AK47 of the 'Cong. I guess it makes sense, what with the problems of the early M16 design(Jamming). Though it had to frustrating when those Chinese AKs(Chicom 56) just fell apart eventually. Some say they were worse than the original AK47s in quality.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yes they did, the brave men and women of the Vietcong successfully defeated the capitalist invaders and occupiers of south Vietnam.

If I take over the world, I'll make you my Propaganda minister.

Over fifty thousand American soldiers died in vain in Vietnam. Obviously, they did some heroic, meaningful things - saving villagers or fellow soldiers or what have you - but overall, given that it was a complete military failure and we did nothing but exacerbate the shitty situation in Vietnam, it was all in vain.

/endrant

It's peanut butter jelly time!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War#Background_to_1949

In 1956 one of the leading communists in the south, Le Duan, returned to Hanoi to urge the Vietnam Workers' Party to take a firmer stand on the reunification of Vietnam under Communist leadership. But Hanoi (then in a severe economic crisis) hesitated in launching a full-scale military struggle. The northern Communists feared U.S. intervention and believed that conditions in South Vietnam were not yet ripe for a people's revolution. However, in December of 1956, Ho Chi Minh authorized the Viet Minh cadres still in South Vietnam to begin a low level insurgency.[38] In North Vietnamese political theory, the action was a subset of "political struggle" called "armed propoganda,"[39] and consisted mostly in kidnappings and terrorist attacks. Four hundred government officials were assassinated in 1957 alone, and the violence gradually increased. While the terror was originally aimed at local government officials, it soon broadened to include other symbols of the status quo, such as school teachers, health workers, agricultural officials, etc.[40] One estimate purports that by 1958, 20% of South Vietnam's village chiefs had been murdered by the insurgents.[41] What was sought was a method of completely destroying government control in South Vietnam's rural villages in order to be replaced by a NLF shadow government.[42] Finally, in January 1959, under pressure from southern cadres who were being targeted by Diem's secret police, the north's Central Committee issued a secret resolution authorizing an "armed struggle." This authorized the southern Viet Minh to begin large scale operations against the South Vietnamese military. In response, Diem enacted tough new anti-communist laws. However, North Vietnam now supplied troops and supplies in earnest, and the infiltration of men and weapons from the north began along the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

The reason for ours going to war was to protect South Vietnam from the attacks, kidnappings and murders perpetraited by North Vietnamese insurgency.

We may have failed our reasons for going to war but that was only with our withdrawal. That, and Washington was still of the belief its war curriculum was sufficient for guerilla war.

While, infact, it took 6-8 years before soldiers on the ground had adapted to the tactics employed by the North Vietcong.