Disappointing piece of garbage..

[azz0r]

Well, it's harming the gaming generation itself by promoting games with complexity and level storytelling this low, since people seem to be too ignorant to realise it. Same thing with Communism, same thing with the nazi regime and many other things.

The gaming industry is a democracy and you vote with your money. Don't vote for silly and unintelligent games.

Are you comparing playing Half Life 2 to being a nazi?!

lol Anyway I agree the stories pretty thin on the ground but the Raising the Bar book seems to flesh it out apparently and I have no doubt expansions will also do a fine job. Apart from that you should take note of everything Breen says and does.

 

[epmode]

HL2 is just a blatant ad for Source, stealing some elements from Half-Life to try and earn more cash. (What the hell is up with the ancient sound effects and the same old except for the tracks we've already heard in the BINKs? It's not classic, it's just an attempt of milking something even more. Thanks to Source people are so blinded they are being tricked into it.)

how could you have over five thousand posts here and still be such an idiot?

it's a sequel. sequels often take elements from previous games. yknow, to appeal to fans of the series?

 

[CrazyHarij]

HL2 does NOT suck. Some people are disappointed in it for their various reasons but the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY love the hell out of it.

The game is quite different than the original and thank God Almighty for that - I would have been quite disappointed to have played a rehash of the original game.

The "overwhelming majority" is, simply put, stupid. Why? Because a chain is not stronger than its weakest link.

The game is too different in terms that made it good, i.e, the storytelling and atmosphere. It's too similar in parts which have no value, using old sound samples as a desperate attempt to make people associate it with Half-Life.

 

[spaz1]

CrazyHarij as much as I hate to admit ur not completely wrong...

 

[CrazyHarij]

how could you have over five thousand posts here and still be such an idiot?

it's a sequel. sequels often take elements from previous games. yknow, to appeal to fans of the series?

Those with the biggest mouths are usually the most idiotic. :E

Or, I'm stupid just because i have a different opinion than you.

Yes, sequels often take GOOD elements from previous games, and convert them into something new and fresh. Valve has just overlooked what made Half-Life so good and tries to make Half-Life 2 a popular game by going the lazy way and taking elements which were part of Half-Life but which didn't make Half-Life good,obviously and unfortunately, this seems to be working with the hungry masses.

 

[azz0r]

The "overwhelming majority" is, simply put, stupid. Why? Because a chain is not stronger than its weakest link.

Aww I just lost all respect for you right there.

Basically you have no room for others opinions but you do a damn fine job of defending your own like a whiney bitch.

Friggen lame.

 

[SFLUFAN]

The "overwhelming majority" is, simply put, stupid. Why? Because a chain is not stronger than its weakest link.

The game is too different in terms that made it good, i.e, the storytelling and atmosphere. It's too similar in parts which have no value, using old sound samples as a desperate attempt to make people associate it with Half-Life.

WOW - nice attitude to belittle all those who enjoyed the hell out of a game in order to fulfill your psuedo-intellectual self-righteousness. Does that make you feel better, you arrogant jerk?

 

[Chronos]

Half-Life 2 sucks.

Man, that phrase is soo yesterday. I mean , you are late... The first "Half-Life 2 sucks" threads appeared on the day after it was released, 'caue people played through it in the night.

You're late, dude, sorry.

Actually, that was kidding, don't be offended, and nothing personal by far. I am just sorry that you didn't get the story and did not get immersed in the atmosphere.

 

[AGENT 15]

ROOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!! HALF LIFE 2 DOES NOT SUCK! ITS YOU WHO SUCKS! FEEL MY WRATH MORTAL MORSEL! AAAAAAAAAAGGGGHGHGHGHGGGGHHGH!!!!!! *runs off to get sladge hammer* FEEL THE WRATH OF VIRUS! KILLER OF MORTALS! DESTROYER OF HL2 HATERS! ROAR!

 

[AGENT 15]

Penguins could kick your ass dude.

 

[electronic squid]

I agree, halflife 2 feels like a 5 hour advertisment, they made the same mistakes as doom 3, and it felt like they were overly cautious when writing the story line (it was edited to shreds and what remained was glued back together)

Just ignore the fanboys who get all defensive and abusive at you for feeling that way.

 

[Fury16]

well this is the gaming world, you either get great graphics and realistic enviroment and no story or less of a story, or you get no graphics and a good story. i personally go for better graphics and a realistic enviroment cuase the story is only good once, it could be the best story in the world but in the end you cant replay it cuase the game doesnt change and we are not capable of that yet. one of my friends played hl so much that he could resite the story and kill head crabs in the dark tunnels without a flashlight. whats the fun in that. i take looks over non evolving story lines every time. at least in the end i can mess with the world around me.

 

[joule]

Lemme ask you CrazyHarij...were you that kid in that video who was beating Half-Life 2 with a baseball bat?

 

[jmjneary]

hl2 had a verry deep and interesting story line and someone of limited intelagence wouldn't understand that

 

[Edcrab]

Thing is Harij- and this is where opinion is so important- stupid people like myself make sales. And "stupid people" are likely to have whined if they changed the original headcrab (etc.) noises anyway.

It's likely to have a different atmosphere as it's an entirely different setting and situation- alien infested research base to dystopian cityscape and planes. I happen to like the "valueless" similarities, and storytelling wise, there's far more explanatory dialogue in the game than in the first HL- Breen's the primary font of such information.

HL posed a question that was worth 100 points. HL2 answered 15 points of that bulk-question- what happened after BM, who was the Admin, how would Xen react to Nihilanth's fall and other little discrepancies, but also posed another 200 points of confusion. Result? -185 explanation. People are coming out of HL2 more confused and uninformed than ever, and that's why so many people are bitter. Too many people expected massive revolutions in gameplay and massive revelations in plot- and they didn't get 'em.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Are you comparing playing Half Life 2 to being a nazi?!

lol Anyway I agree the stories pretty thin on the ground but the Raising the Bar book seems to flesh it out apparently and I have no doubt expansions will also do a fine job. Apart from that you should take note of everything Breen says and does.

I want the game to tell the story. Not "behind the scenes" books or whatever random shit the company spits out afterwards to try and make everyone satisfied.

Aww I just lost all respect for you right there.

Basically you have no room for others opinions but you do a damn fine job of defending your own like a whiney bitch.

Friggen lame.

I respect individual opinions, I just don't see why "Oh the majority liked it" is a good argument.

WOW - nice attitude to belittle all those who enjoyed the hell out of a game in order to fulfill your psuedo-intellectual self-righteousness. Does that make you feel better, you arrogant jerk?

I don't belittle people, I just post my opinion and apparently it seems to be affecting and identifying to you in some way since you're this aggressive about it..

No, it does not make me feel better. I think it's interesting to hear others opinions, and I mean opinions as in real opinions and not flames.

Man, that phrase is soo yesterday. I mean , you are late... The first "Half-Life 2 sucks" threads appeared on the day after it was released, 'caue people played through it in the night.

You're late, dude, sorry.

Actually, that was kidding, don't be offended, and nothing personal by far. I am just sorry that you didn't get the story and did not get immersed in the atmosphere.

Hey, I bought the game late, alright? :E

I was immersed in the game but the story just feels rushed and this is pure death in a game trying to be as immersive as this.

 

[electronic squid]

hl2 had a verry deep and interesting story line and someone of limited intelagence wouldn't understand that

Your wrong, hardly anything is said, it only feels "deep" because it was so empty.

Hundreds of people are spamming forums with pictures of power point outlets saying its a "clue" to what the secret story line is, but there is none. The entire game felt hollow

 

[GuNzABlaZiN]

I loved it, couldn't give a shit about what someone else thought.

 

[Dalamari]

I have nothing to say to you Crazy, you used to be cool

**turns back**

Goodbye forever.

 

[SFLUFAN]

"I don't belittle people, I just post my opinion and apparently it seems to be affecting and identifying to you in some way since you're this aggressive about it.."

Do you honestly think that calling people stupid because they enjoyed the game isn't belittling them? I guess you have a different definition of that word in Sweden than in my part of the world.

 

[azz0r]

So because people enjoy something that you dont approve of then you are superior and they are stupid sheep?

Fck you, pompous asshole.

 

[CrazyHarij]

hl2 had a verry deep and interesting story line and someone of limited intelagence wouldn't understand that

I could just put it the other way and say "hl2 had a verry shallow and uuninteresting story line and someone of limited intelagence wouldn't understand that"

Together with the classic term of the majority being rather stupid or clueless, perhaps it's not that outrageous suggesting that?

Lemme ask you CrazyHarij...were you that kid in that video who was beating Half-Life 2 with a baseball bat?

No, unfortunately I wasn't.. Though that gives me some ideas, har har :E
*fetches hammer and picks up HL2 gamebox*

I agree, halflife 2 feels like a 5 hour advertisment, they made the same mistakes as doom 3, and it felt like they were overly cautious when writing the story line (it was edited to shreds and what remained was glued back together)

Just ignore the fanboys who get all defensive and abusive at you for feeling that way.

Good to see someone with a healthy opinion on this, seeing the game for what it obviously really is.

 

[nagual678]

hl2 had a verry deep and interesting story line and someone of limited intelagence wouldn't understand that

good point !

/wait....





ignore what i said

 

[CrazyHarij]

So because people enjoy something that you dont approve of then you are superior and they are stupid sheep?

**** you.

I never said I was superiour. I'm as stupid as everyone else here, I just have a different opinon.

 

[Adrien C]

FFS, cool it down, a forum is ment to give out your opinion, plus Crazy is no newb, he is an elder.

I agree with you, see, if Valve didn't over hype, and brag about those vids, HL2 would be the best game, but since we were expecting so much more, it seems that it sucks. Their you have my opinion.

 

[Asus]

Sorry you didn't enjoy HL2, considering you have been waiting for it for quite a long time. It's a shame. I respect your opinion.

It was not as simple as HL1 and it was more directed. I really liked HL2 personally. I didn't set any expectation or think of how HL2 was going to be like HL1. I didn't look at the binks as exactly what content to expect in HL2 but rather the gameplay and feeling aspects.

I don't agree with a number of things though it's a matter of opinion of course. Wish you could have got into it. Hopefully HL3 will be better for ya.

 

[Edcrab]

Well Harij, your opinion is that people who liked the game- "the overwhelming majority"- are stupid.

Mine is that people who dare to question my deeply held beliefs must be braindead! Prepare for oblivion.

Makes just about as much sense, doesn't it? What did I say about sensationalism? "Disappointing garbage", "Half-Life 2 sucks", "other opinion= stupid"... yep, you're good at guaranteeing that the "overwhelming majority" will instantly mark you down as an illiterate pyscho. You might as well save yourself the trouble of trying to be articulate and settle for "OMG HL2 SUCKS COS I DIDNT LIKE IT AS MUCH ASI lIKEd HALFLIF 1 1!!!!"

 

[CrazyHarij]

I have nothing to say to you Crazy, you used to be cool

**turns back**

Goodbye forever.

;(

"I don't belittle people, I just post my opinion and apparently it seems to be affecting and identifying to you in some way since you're this aggressive about it.."

Do you honestly think that calling people stupid because they enjoyed the game isn't belittling them? I guess you have a different definition of that word in Sweden than in my part of the world.

I NEVER SAID ANYONE OF YOU WERE STUPID. I was just suggesting that the majority is very often acting in the less intelligent way due to leaker links making the most noise, that is why I don't see "The game is good because the majority enjoyed it" a decent argument. Many individualistic theories and opinions are often more interesting, and sometimes more valid and smarter. Not that mine is, it's nothing but, yep, My Opinion.

 

[joule]

;(

I still love you.

/me hugs CrazyHarij.

It's just a matter of difference of opinion. Respect him for it, and feel sorry that he didn't enjoy it as much as we did.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Sorry you didn't enjoy HL2, considering you have been waiting for it for quite a long time. It's a shame. I respect your opinion.

It was not as simple as HL1 and it was more directed. I really liked HL2 personally. I didn't set any expectation or think of how HL2 was going to be like HL1. I didn't look at the binks as exactly what content to expect in HL2 but rather the gameplay and feeling aspects.

I don't agree with a number of things though it's a matter of opinion of course. Wish you could have got into it. Hopefully HL3 will be better for ya.

Thank you for the respect, and yes, I'll try and be less participating in the hype of HL3. Obviously it was quite the wrong move in getting this excited about a game prior to its release when it was pretty obvious all the time that it was a marketing ploy for Source.

But the game is decent as a passtime, it's just that I expected alot more and Marc Laidlaw is a magnificent writer and novelist. Seriously, they could've made the game so much better if the prioritized certian things.

Well Harij, you're opinion is that people who liked the game- "the overwhelming majority"- are stupid.

Mine is that people who dare to question my deeply held beliefs must be braindead! Prepare for oblivion.

Makes just about as much sense, doesn't it? What did I say about sensationalism? "Disappointing garbage", "Half-Life 2 sucks", "other opinion= stupid"... yep, you're good at guaranteeing that the "overwhelming majority" will instantly mark you down as an illiterate pyscho. You might as well save yourself the trouble of trying to be articulate and settle for "OMG HL2 SUCKS COS I DIDNT LIKE IT AS MUCH ASI lIKEd HALFLIF 1 1!!!!"

Sensationalism? No, it's not sensationalism, it's just my opinion and I wanted to see if other people had that or a similar opinion. Then again, I'm at a Half-Life 2 forum so you must be wondering what I'm doing here.

 

[Edcrab]

Actually Harij, yes, you did call people stupid because a lot of people here clearly consider themselves part of the "overwhelming majority". God damn it, I'm using a lot of quotation marks tonight.

Remember, your kind are "hateboys" if we're "fanboys". I honestly don't see how HL2 can possibly be as bad as some people are making out- just feel glad you didn't play the leak (like many of the illegally minded morons about here- and yes, I used the word moron)- because then you'd be utterly crippled by the soul-destroying deluge of dropped and edited content.

 

[AudioRage]

I was immersed in the game the entire time I played it and enjoyed it while I did so. But once it was over and I had time to think, The story wasn't done right. Sure, they didn't tell you much in HL1, But what they did tell you was very important and stuck with you.

In HL2 you had to guess and make up shit to even have the story half ass make sense, and then you could be completely wrong.

I loved the game while playing it, the engine is great and the mods will be fantastic, But as it is, The game did not live up to the first in my Opinion.

 

[Kiva128]

Look at me everyone, I'm going to use Harij logic!

I loved HL2 in everyway. The minority who disagree with my opinion are now stupid. YAY!

Seriously, instead of bashing Valve's hardwork, why don't you SUGGEST how they could have improved it.

Oh let me guess, if you had it your way, HL2 would have taken place in a mysterious lab called, "White Plateau" where you once again make the critical error of casusing a "resonnance cascade", which in turn makes the place full of zombies and you have to get out. BRILLIANT!!@!@!@!

 

[rrm]

wait for the expansion packs next year and for hl3 in 2006, hopefully they will clarify the story and make a better game now that they have their tools ready

 

[GRIMEY]

You are all nuts.

 

[[46] pushit [2]]

I've said it 500000 times and I'll say it again. When HL1 was first released, people were just as clueless about the story as they are now about HL2. It took about 4-5 years before people even started realising that the Vortiguants were being controlled by the Nihilanth. In four more years, after all the expansions and mods, people will have peiced together the story and praise it for its genius. Just like HL1

Spec-tac-cular (cue the roses ala american beauty)

Everyone praise this man for his genius (cept maybe a few spelling errors). The thing about HL2 is it's gonna take multiple times through the game before you can even begin to understand the story. read some of marc laidlaw's books (the 37th mandala). took me 2 reads before I got the basic idea, and i'm not stupid by any means... . granted, you do seem rushed around...but you're in the middle of a friggin war (basically), there isn't; much time for tea and biscuits.

 

[Dr. A]

u know, the thread title is just so "troll-like"...

"Disappointing piece of garbage.." is one hell of an overstatement, dude.

No matter what grievances u had with the game, there are better ways to express them. I do respect your opinion, just not your method.

 

[CrazyHarij]

I was immersed in the game the entire time I played it and enjoyed it while I did so. But once it was over and I had time to think, The story wasn't done right. Sure, they didn't tell you much in HL1, But what they did tell you was very important and stuck with you.

In HL2 you had to guess and make up shit to even have the story half ass make sense, and then you could be completely wrong.

I loved the game while playing it, the engine is great and the mods will be fantastic, But as it is, The game did not live up to the first in my Opinion.

That's exactly what I think.

I did exaggerate alot by saying the game sucks, that was purely because me and Dalamari thought of trying to create a flamewar on the forum, this is slightly my opinion but I'm just exaggerating it alot to try and get some decent discussion action in this forum, it's a pain in the ass defending myself all the time though, hehe.

The game is immersive, the graphics are great, it's fun when you play it and for occasional enjoyment but it is in no way a revolutionary and amazing game. They overlooked too many things regarding the story and the storytelling specifically.

Actually Harij, yes, you did call people stupid because a lot of people here clearly consider themselves part of the "overwhelming majority". God damn it, I'm using a lot of quotation marks tonight.

Remember, your kind are "hateboys" if we're "fanboys". I honestly don't see how HL2 can possibly be as bad as some people are making out- just feel glad you didn't play the leak (like many of the illegally minded morons about here- and yes, I used the word moron)- because then you'd be utterly crippled by the soul-destroying deluge of dropped and edited content.

I played the leak. And yes, I am utterly crippled by the soul-destroying deluge of dropped and edited content. So much in the leak was amazing, and would've made Half-Life 2 more of a revolutionary game since lots of those things were fresh-thinking. I don't see why they cut it out, perhaps since they had to re-hash the whole story in some weird way because of something? The leak perhaps?

 

[Chronos]

If all really great games would be met with such reviews, we're in for very bad things, guys.

There are a lot of people in the graphics community right now who want to get out of game industry, especially PC gaming. Why? Because the industry is not too profitable any more, I mean it IS, but the amount of effort you have to put into the games is increasing all the time, workers are working overtime casually (http://www.livejournal.com/users/ea_spouse/), so you have to be on the edge to compete.

Yet, still, another great game get released, and what do we get? Whining, and a lot of it. We are all spoiled, guys, because we want better games but it takes much more effort to produce them (than back in the days), unless you are talking about crappy PC games that are released in abundance.

If everybody's reaction would be like this, then the total quality of games will deteriorate, because at some points people would simply stop, because nobody wants to put something and gain nothing. I am not talking today or tomorrow, I am talking general perspective. The pendulum has swung too much. Game developers would stop producing good games, and this will result in general quality deterioration.

Thing with the movies is somewhat like that. I believe if you look at the movie industry, the general movie quality is worse now than it used to be, say, 15-20 years ago. The analogy is not perfect, I understand, because movies are easier to market to get Friday night sales, but still, people have been spending efforts on the movies, and those did not sell, so they stopped, and the quality went down.

I am not saying that apocalyptic scenarion is going on right now, not on the scale I was describing (although people do want to get out of game industry, and consoles are waay popular than PCs).
I just say that all of us, before whining, should respect other people's work and emphasize it in our comments, because without our respect the game developers would not feel the need to produce more good games.

 

[Edcrab]

I still think you're being sensationalist. Unless you truly believe HL2 to be one of the worst games ever, in which case my reply is just "WTF!?"...

It's one thing to prefer the original, but another to knock HL2 aside completely...

And yes, ironically I'm sure plenty of the leaked content was changed directly because of the leak. You got nothing but yourself to blame for any disappointments that can be traced back down to the leak. Dropped video content- cry your brains out.

Not being able to weld gas cylinders to a buggy to make an impromptu rocket car? -Don't download illegal bloody builds.