DMT: The Spirit Molecule

[Tyguy]

DMT, short for Dimethyltryptamine, is a naturally occurring psychedelic produced by the pineal gland in your brain. It is thought to be responsible for dreams as well as near death experience trips.

Joe Rogan recounting his experience with DMT and his ideas on humanity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

This isnt meant to convince you to try it, more so to have a general understanding of the way our brain works and of the many kinds of consciousness you can experience. Im in the process of reading a book entitled DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Rick Stassman and I have to say, it's a great book. It starts out with the doctor administering different levels of DMT into 3 volunteers and describes their trips with fantastic detail.

Anyway, I thought it was a very interesting topic as im always curious about levels of consciousness and dreaming.

 

[mchammer75040]

Holy shit! Someone else is actually into this stuff too! Now I dont look like such a bullshit new age fag! Yea Ive read that book, I cant remember if its at the final part of the book, but doesnt he talk with some physicists about string theory and quantum mechanics? I cant remember who but I enjoyed the conversations at the end with other scientists.
Heres an article on DMT trip with some indians I found on national geographic that might interest you:
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru.html

BTW have you ever tried salvia? I guess thats the closest thing one can come to for a LEGAL alternative for these kinds of trips.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Wow this kind of stuff is amazing. I totally wanna do psychedelics now.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

I really wanna get hold of some DMT. Everyone should have at least one psychedelic experience in they're life. You really can learn new things. I became more open and realised that all this stuff we "know" its just learned, its not necessarily true. I have actually read his book, its incredibly interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVfmI0s-c5U

This is creepy but awesome.

Holy shit! Someone else is actually into this stuff too! Now I dont look like such a bullshit new age fag!

Its not really new age stuff (well the stuff about new life's maybe, but the stuff about DMT in the brain, its all facts).

 

[Stigmata]

BTW have you ever tried salvia? I guess thats the closest thing one can come to for a LEGAL alternative for these kinds of trips.

I have tried Salvia. It's incredibly powerful, and smoking even a small amount can send you on a wild trip. Recently, I smoked tiny, measured amounts with a couple friends over a period of an hour, and it became more of an intellectual "trip" of sorts. This might sound like bullshit: For the 20 or so minutes that it lasted, it really increased my capacity for logical and creative thought, and helped show me the consistencies and inconsistencies of thought that I already had in my head. It made me realise a few very important things about myself, mostly regarding my personality and clinical depression. I feel like knowing these things will make me a better person.

I used to hate the drug, but I'm tentatively of the opinion that in very small doses it's a very effective mind expander (so to speak).

 

[mchammer75040]

Its not really new age stuff (well the stuff about new life's maybe, but the stuff about DMT in the brain, its all facts).

Well of course not, I wasnt saying it was, only that popular opinion deems it so. Like how he mentions in the book that his former buddhist group and many scientists he worked with were prejudice against his research, wanting him to discontinue. To people who have never had an experience like this it just sounds too weird and esoteric. Like rubbing crystals on your balls to heal testicular cancer or whatever.

I have tried Salvia. It's incredibly powerful, and smoking even a small amount can send you on a wild trip. Recently, I smoked tiny, measured amounts with a couple friends over a period of an hour, and it became more of an intellectual "trip" of sorts. This might sound like bullshit: For the 20 or so minutes that it lasted, it really increased my capacity for logical and creative thought, and helped show me the consistencies and inconsistencies of thought that I already had in my head. It made me realise a few very important things about myself, mostly regarding my personality and clinical depression. I feel like knowing these things will make me a better person.

I used to hate the drug, but I'm tentatively of the opinion that in very small doses it's a very effective mind expander (so to speak).

You're trip lasted 20 minutes? holy shit dude, Ive only seen it last 10 minutes at the max. But yes I like every now and then doing just small amounts to where its not too overwhelming, but you still feel like your melting into your surroundings or falling out of your body. Crazy stuff!

 

[Stigmata]

I'm talking about doses even smaller than that The biggest physical effect I noticed was "the pricklies" where your skin feels... prickly... wherever any sort of touch or pressure is put on it. Everything else was purely cognitive.

 

[jverne]

I really wanna get hold of some DMT. Everyone should have at least one psychedelic experience in they're life. You really can learn new things. I became more open and realised that all this stuff we "know" its just learned, its not necessarily true. I have actually read his book, its incredibly interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVfmI0s-c5U

This is creepy but awesome.



Its not really new age stuff (well the stuff about new life's maybe, but the stuff about DMT in the brain, its all facts).

you think? i'd like to have one, but i'm quite sure i wouldn't learn new stuff about the meaning of life or other similar stuff.
i'm pretty confident that there is no meaning to life but we try to make one up because we're to scared to kill ourselves.
as for the learning part...what do you mean "true"? explain a bit please

 

[mchammer75040]

Stiggy-Well Ive never had something that mellow with salvia, its usually a hit or miss with me. Its been awhile though I might have to try it again sometime soon.

 

[Tyguy]

BTW have you ever tried salvia? I guess thats the closest thing one can come to for a LEGAL alternative for these kinds of trips.

I tried it once and it was truly an amazing experience. I'd like to try DMT but I really don't know anyone who has it. Most of the people I know who smoke pot have never heard of the stuff so it's tough to find somebody who can actually get it.

When I do find some though I will be a little boy in a candy shop, except the candy is alive and giving me advice.

 

[mchammer75040]

I tried it once and it was truly an amazing experience. I'd like to try DMT but I really don't know anyone who has it. Most of the people I know who smoke pot have never heard of the stuff so it's tough to find somebody who can actually get it.

When I do find some though I will be a little boy in a candy shop, except the candy is alive and giving me advice.

I doubt you will ever find that as a street drug, so good luck! Im thinking of making a trip down to the place mentioned in the national geographic article just to live with the indians and smoke their drugs. Kind of like william burroughs did.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

you think? i'd like to have one, but i'm quite sure i wouldn't learn new stuff about the meaning of life or other similar stuff.
i'm pretty confident that there is no meaning to life but we try to make one up because we're to scared to kill ourselves.
as for the learning part...what do you mean "true"? explain a bit please

Well just because we are told something, that doesn't mean its true.

I tried it once and it was truly an amazing experience. I'd like to try DMT but I really don't know anyone who has it. Most of the people I know who smoke pot have never heard of the stuff so it's tough to find somebody who can actually get it.

When I do find some though I will be a little boy in a candy shop, except the candy is alive and giving me advice.

Dude its near impossible to get hold of, but you can extract it yourself: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/extraction_guide1/dmt_extraction_guide1.shtml

 

[Phobie]

Old news is old. I'm friends with a guy that tours with Joe Rogan and every time I go watch he talks about this.





Sounds amazing though.

 

[jverne]

Well just because we are told something, that doesn't mean its true.

ok...but that's kinda vague don't you think?

if someone tells you the sun orbits the earth, well yea i understand.
but when someone other tells you that if you mix hydrogen and oxygen you get water...it's kinda hard to doubt

 

[Ennui]

I have a lifetime goal of experiencing breakthrough DMT trip at some point.

Salvia is different. I've done salvia. Equally powerful, equally interesting, quite a bit more potentially frightening and/or nerve-wracking.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

ok...but that's kinda vague don't you think?

if someone tells you the sun orbits the earth, well yea i understand.
but when someone other tells you that if you mix hydrogen and oxygen you get water...it's kinda hard to doubt

Look, its difficult to convey because the psychedelic experience is so alien and specific only to you, but it just made me question everything. You don't really discover "the meaning of life" but they are great tools for exploring yourself. Which is why it irritates me they are illegal for medical purposes because they have so many psychotherapy uses.

@mchammer: salvia is the most insane shit I have ever done.

 

[Kula Meenur]

Wow man, i wonder how you could conduct a valid study under those conditions. The limitations for the analysis would be endless i imagine.

 

[Kyorisu]

they are great tools for exploring yourself.

Not really. Introducing random elements you don't need in excess of a certain level can make your system do all kinds of crazy crap as it reacts, it doesn't mean shit. Enjoy your fantasy trips guys.

 

[Ennui]

I really wanna get hold of some DMT. Everyone should have at least one psychedelic experience in they're life. You really can learn new things. I became more open and realised that all this stuff we "know" its just learned, its not necessarily true. I have actually read his book, its incredibly interesting.

I agree for the most part, although perhaps everyone is a bit too strong... but for most people, as long as set and setting are right, I think having a psychedelic experience could be an intense, positive, and meaningful experience for them. The very nature of tripping is your mind's confrontation with and integration with a completely alien methodology. It changes the very nature of your conscious reality drastically for the duration and just experiencing that teaches you about (or greatly affirms your previous belief in) the very nature of reality, and thereby existence, consciousness, humanity, life, etc.

I have tried Salvia. It's incredibly powerful, and smoking even a small amount can send you on a wild trip. Recently, I smoked tiny, measured amounts with a couple friends over a period of an hour, and it became more of an intellectual "trip" of sorts. This might sound like bullshit: For the 20 or so minutes that it lasted, it really increased my capacity for logical and creative thought, and helped show me the consistencies and inconsistencies of thought that I already had in my head. It made me realise a few very important things about myself, mostly regarding my personality and clinical depression. I feel like knowing these things will make me a better person.

I used to hate the drug, but I'm tentatively of the opinion that in very small doses it's a very effective mind expander (so to speak).

Yes, there are two "sides" of Sally D: not breakthrough and breakthrough. Breakthrough doses are the scary ones where you may or may not remember that you smoked a drug and you probably don't know where you are or necessarily who you are, and there may or may not also be scary aliens, powerful gravitational forces, interdimensional rifts, and other completely incomprehensible phenomena occuring around or to you. Not-Breakthrough doses, where you don't pass the gate into full-blown Salviaverse, are the only types of salvia doses I do anymore and they are interesting although still not that great in my opinion. They have interesting light trippy effects, and interesting/creative thought processes, but at the same time it raises your body temperature, makes you sweat, feel weird, and sound different. As far as I'm concerned weed gives you all the qualities of the non-breakthrough salvia experience and none of the negative parts, along with a lot more positive ones!

I doubt you will ever find that as a street drug, so good luck! Im thinking of making a trip down to the place mentioned in the national geographic article just to live with the indians and smoke their drugs. Kind of like william burroughs did.

I want to do that sometime in my life. I will probably extract DMT at some point before then though.

Not really. Introducing random elements you don't need in excess of a certain level can make your system do all kinds of crazy crap as it reacts, it doesn't mean shit. Enjoy your fantasy trips guys.

Next time spare us your weak attempt at shitposting. You clearly don't know much of anything about the psychedelic experience or the drugs themselves, and the tone of your post suggests that you're not too well developed philosophically either. That means you have little or no intellectual handle on the discussion on this thread and thus no reason to post in it unless you're asking a question. Psychedelics are a fantastic medium of deep, intense introspection, this is fact. What there is to gain from that is individual to each person.

You have two choices now:
1) High-tail it out of the thread without looking back, remain completely ignorant and maligned on this subject.
2) Ask a question instead of being dismissive, and be friendly and open-minded rather than projecting contempt and arrogance. The key here is attitude and contributing to the discussion.

There's another option, but you probably don't like it:
3) Continue shitposting in this thread and get infractioned

I personally recommend 2, but 1 is a great fallback if you just really don't want to learn anything new about psychedelics.

 

[Kula Meenur]

What's the medium for transporting it into your bloodstream? Intravenously?

 

[Dodo]

"You should all smoke DMT, join my cult mother f***ers, ... hehe"

haha : D Yup this went right on the list of things to do before i die : )

-dodo

 

[jverne]

Look, its difficult to convey because the psychedelic experience is so alien and specific only to you, but it just made me question everything. You don't really discover "the meaning of life" but they are great tools for exploring yourself. Which is why it irritates me they are illegal for medical purposes because they have so many psychotherapy uses.

@mchammer: salvia is the most insane shit I have ever done.

meh...maybe i should try it out.

but i'm 99% that what happened to you probably won't to me. i know myself way to good.
maybe i'd learn something completely different.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Not really. Introducing random elements you don't need in excess of a certain level can make your system do all kinds of crazy crap as it reacts, it doesn't mean shit. Enjoy your fantasy trips guys.

Ennui has already covered, but I will say it for good effect: You have no idea what you are talking about. Have a couple of psychedelic experiences, until then you know **** all about what we are talking about.

Oh, and it's funny how the millions of people who have actually used them and the psychologists who say they are useful psychonautical tools disagree with you isn't?

 

[MJ12]

My cousin's friend has the Dream Molecule tattooed on his arm, it looks very nice.

 

[Tyguy]

What's the medium for transporting it into your bloodstream? Intravenously?

There are a few ways, although Intravenously is the easiest and allows for a better high/ depending on the dose. It can be taken intramuscularly, although Dr. Rick Strassman has said that this is a poor way of introducing the drug into the bloodstream.

So ya, the best way is intravenous but smoking it still does the job.

 

[Ennui]

What's the medium for transporting it into your bloodstream? Intravenously?

You can take DMT a number of ways. Direct administration is only possible through injection of pure DMT or through smoking freebase. To take it orally you have to take an MAOI with it (as in Ayahuasca) in order to negate stomach enzymes that will otherwise break down DMT. There is history of it being used in a snuff as well by some South Americans. The method of administration has impact on the duration, intensity, and characteristic of the experience. Also Tyguy I think that smoking is actually the most efficient, as it comes on the fastest and takes the least amount of pure DMT in mg. IV doses are generally higher, last a bit longer than smoked (although not nearly as long as orally) and take a bit more DMT to get the same effect.

meh...maybe i should try it out.

but i'm 99% that what happened to you probably won't to me. i know myself way to good.
maybe i'd learn something completely different.

You would take that back after tripping. It is impossible not to learn anything about yourself from the psychedelic experience, purely because of the fact that you have never experienced it before. It's like nothing you can possibly imagine or comprehend - completely inexplicable and alien. It may not teach you revelatory things about who you are, but it will definitely cement or perhaps alter your ideas about reality and existence, because the mental stress of the trip exposes these concepts as very raw and vital to your integration with reality.

Note that when I say "psychedelic experience" I refer mostly to taking LSD, mushrooms, or DMT (classical psychedelics). Phenethylamines, dissociatives and other hallucinogens are also worthy of exploration but should be considered separately and IMO they are not as "important" as the classic ones.

 

[Tyguy]

Also Tyguy I think that smoking is actually the most efficient, as it comes on the fastest and takes the least amount of pure DMT in mg. IV doses are generally higher, last a bit longer than smoked (although not nearly as long as orally) and take a bit more DMT to get the same effect.

You might be right, injecting it in a vein usually takes it to the heart, then to the lungs, back to the heart, then to the brain (or so says the book im reading). So while injecting might take longer, its the best way to know just exactly how much of the substance you are administering, which will give you good insight to how much DMT is enough.

I wont be injecting anything in the future so smoking it would be the first option.

 

[mchammer75040]

Yea Im not injecting anything into my arm and risk getting an airbubble in there, then have to cut my arm off . Anyways Ennui, do you know where to get any of the material one would need to extract it? Or is this just something you are planning to get around to?

 

[Tyguy]

It's quite a lengthy process to manufacture DMT. I could probably do it after I researched it a lot, but do I really want to is the question....id prefer not to burn my apartment down

 

[Ennui]

We really shouldn't get into the illegal side of things, and keep the discussion on theoretical grounds, PM me for more information on extractions / procuring plant material that contains DMT (because it is legal to do so in the US but I don't want to get into it here anyway so Munro is not tiffed).

Whenever I end up taking the journey I will probably extract something as close to freebase DMT as possible and then smoke it, but I'd like an ayahuasca experience sometime too. You'll never catch me injecting anything.

PS, if you guys liked the Joe Rogan stuff in the first post, check out this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEjTXX2rHgA&feature=related

 

[Tyguy]

I saw this a little while ago, that's a pretty cool way to experience a trip. I can vouge for the fact that even when you are not using drugs, putting your body in that type of situation has extreme potential for achieving different states of consciousness.

 

[Rizzo]

If Joe Rogan says i should try it, then by god i shall. brb

 

[Dodo]

i believe what he says, but it still sounds like someone who smoked dope for the first time... like it slightly sounds exaggerated or something.

-dodo

 

[Tyguy]

he's done it numerous times and although Ive never used DMT, I've tried other psychedelics and I can honestly say that you can have a life changing experience. His determination in explaining this drug is understandable.

 

[Dodo]

No, i know. I've done tons of drugsbut he still sounds slightly fake. Im not saying he's lying, just making it sound like everyone would have the trip he had. Which isnt the case.
Just imagine a nightmare on DMT, my god : |

-dodo

 

[Rizzo]

Giant frogmen riding scorpions in a red plain, in search of a soul... Yours. (mine)
Well you can't have it mother ****er.

 

[Tyguy]

well, it's not only Joe Rogan... similar effects are noted in most of the patients Dr. Strassman administers the drug to as well.

 

[Ennui]

Just imagine a nightmare on DMT, my god : |

-dodo

lol that's pretty much Salvia... last time my roommate smoked 20x salvia he felt that his brain was being invaded by inter-dimensional aliens made entirely out of eyes and fingers, and they were rearranging and changing facts about his history in his head. He said that was unpleasant.

 

[mchammer75040]

That sensory deprivation stuff is pretty interesting.
I found this documentary on youtube called "psychology: total isolation" where 6 people participate in an experiment of sensory deprivation, heres part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUu2wqnRf3U

I thought you guys would like this, just search for the final 4 parts in the menu.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

lol that's pretty much Salvia... last time my roommate smoked 20x salvia he felt that his brain was being invaded by inter-dimensional aliens made entirely out of eyes and fingers, and they were rearranging and changing facts about his history in his head. He said that was unpleasant.

I think salvia is horrible tbh, even the smaller doses. It's just too powerful. It overwhelms you.

EDIT: Mchammer, I get "this video is no longer available."