Do Guns Kill, or Do people?

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My logic is that people need tools for things that they cannot accomplish themselves. Wrench for pipes, hammer for nails, Telephone for long distance communication. A gun is like any other tool, but it was made to kill more effectivly than a sword because u dont have to be as close or even near the person, u could just pull a trigger and down someone x3 or x4 times ur size.
This tool, is a killing machine. It will not kill unless actioned to do so. (rare cases where guns randomly go off are to few and far between to mention) In my opinion people use guns to kill people. They use this tool to accomplish some task to great for there current being. A tool that is misused its not the tools fault for it has no freewill, people kill others not guns.

$0.02
 
People are the ones who kill. Guns are just ordinary objects. I could take a pencil and stab someone to death. It would not be the pencils fault. Same things go for Video Games. People blame video games for what they did wrong. I think thats a bunch of Horse "Insert 4 Letter Word that Means Poop And Comes Out Of Your Butt". Serious though you just can't blame objects for things you do wrong. I have played almost every violent video game out there (Including The GTA's) and you don't see me running around like a Homocidal idiot shooting people.
 
Thats right, guns are just tools of killing.


'Guns dont kill people, people kill people, guns just help'
 
Ugh. I hate it when the media tries to use the videogame industry as a scapegoat.

There's a PA comic that sums up my feelings towards this: comic
 
Guns help..after all you couldnt kill much standing in the street saying "bang":dozey:
 
MINORITYS KILL PEOPLE < saw it on a bumper sticker
 
Originally posted by waedoe
MINORITYS KILL PEOPLE < saw it on a bumper sticker
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lmao that reminds me of that family guy episode about gun safety
"now kids remember guns dont kill people, dangerous minoritys do"
 
Guns kill people!

one time i was going home and this Sniper rifle was just waiting for me! it chased me home and i had to fight it off with my bare teeth! it was a close call that day.

stupid question.
 
Originally posted by mchammer75040
Guns help..after all you couldnt kill much standing in the street saying "bang":dozey:
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Yeah you could :dozey:

In repsonse to the question:

Don't be silly, Guns can't kill people without someone pulling the trigger
 
People kill. Guns are inanimate objects. They're not alive. They don't aim themselves and pull their own triggers. People aim the guns; people pull the triggers. Without the person to use it, the gun doesn't kill.
 
Yes, but then it gets more complicated... such as... would this person have killed this other person if there had not been a gun involved?
 
where do public guns come from???

how do people get thier hands on guns? oh, right, from abroad.


there actually quite clever, they hide them in loaves of bread and stuff.
if you could get rid of guns then thier wouldn't be any gun deaths, so in that sense guns DO kill people, but technically the gun isn't doing anything of its own free will so its not to blame.
 
Originally posted by mrBadger
Yeah you could :dozey:

In repsonse to the question:

Don't be silly, Guns can't kill people without someone pulling the trigger
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Well..ok i thought about what you said and if you planned your bang at the right time..you could make someone crash their car... or accidently stab themselves...or fall off a building...:dozey:
 
guns dont kill people, small projectiles do, that is.... unless u use the rifle as some sort of a club perhaps.
 
i'm surprised by the lack of thoughtfulness by my fellow forumites (lol, no i'm not!). "guns don't kill people, people kill people" this frequent pro-gun slogan is something that, upon reflection, seems entirely true. however, the first half of this slogan is demonstrably false; guns do indeed kill people, as some of you have noted. obviously, the point that the some of you are trying to make is that they do not kill people by themselves; they require a human to pull the trigger.

imo, this argument is an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that guns make it much easier to kill people. and guns can do this in two ways: enhanced ability and feasibility. the greater ability makes murder feasible in a greater number of circumstances. a gun makes it feasible to attack larger people, multiple people, people from a distance, from secrecy, etc. no one in their right mind would try to rob a bank with a knife, and if they did, there would be little damage done more often than not. but it can be argued that the facility of the gun essentially allows a crime (like murder) to occur when it wouldn't have otherwise.

let's assume that small percentage of the populace is actively contemplating murder at any given time, and would if they could. would the murder rate drop if these would-be murderers did not possess the enhanced ability and feasibility provided by guns? i think so.

"people don't kill people, hands do", "hands don't fingers pull the trigger", "fingers don't, fire the bullets, guns do."...

edit: grammar
 
Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
i'm surprised by the lack of thoughtfulness by my fellow forumites (lol, no i'm not!). "guns don't kill people, people kill people" this frequent pro-gun slogan is something that, upon reflection, seems entirely true. however, the first half of this slogan is demonstrably false; guns do indeed kill people, as some of you have noted. obviously, the point that the some of you are trying to make is that they do not kill people by themselves; they require a human to pull the trigger.

imo, this argument is an attempt to divert attention away from the fact that guns make it much easier to kill people. and guns can do this in two ways: enhanced ability and feasibility. the greater ability makes murder feasible in a greater number of circumstances. a gun makes it feasible to attack larger people, multiple people, people from a distance, from secrecy, etc. no one in their right mind would try to rob a bank with a knife, and if they did, there would be little damage done more often than not. but it can be argued that the facility of the gun essentially allows a crime (like murder) to occur when it wouldn't have otherwise.

let's assume that small percentage of the populace is actively contemplating murder at any given time, and would if they could. would the murder rate drop if these would-be murderers did not possess the enhanced ability and feasibility provided by guns? i think so.

"people don't kill people, hands do", "hands don't fingers pull the trigger", "fingers don't, fire the bullets, guns do."...

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A guy gets mad at the ref at a hockey game, if the player didn't have a hockey stick, the amount of ref's at hockey games the get the beat down decrease...duhh That could be said about all things.
:\ Another example is, well if no one had computers the amount of warez would go down...........

U have to draw a line, people need tools no matter what they are used for. If u need or want a gun, more power to u, but they way its used is the real question. There is a time and place for everything, even guns.
(War, police etc)


Here is a hypothetical example: (Guns never existed)
A crazed maniac comes into ur house, stabs ur daughter thats 3 and kills ur beloved wife of 37. U walk in the door to find him cimbing out the window. Enraged to see him trying to escape u pick of ur knife and go after him. After Chasing him a block u jump and bring him on the ground. He lashes back and slices u in the chest, u in turn stab him a couple of times and u both die.

Hypothetical Example 2: (Guns do exist)
Same thing as above cept u grab ur pistol. Its a .357magnum with a full chamber of Hollow point rounds. Whiles he getting away *BLAM* U down him on the stop.

*Note: Criminals are less likely to steal ur things or commit murder if they think u have a gun on you. They can protect u, they can serve u, for good or evil. Its the person who decides.
 
guns are nothing but tools....like every other object in our everyday lives.....

there purpose is to kill...and they are good at it.


Does this make guns bad?

No. we only percieve them as bad.


Killing is neccasary sometimes....wether we want to admit or not....
Guns are a means to an end.

would making it against the law for a civillian to posses a firearm reduce the amount amount of murders in the USA?

in simple terms....yes....it would statistically reduce homicides and suicides...ect

this is undeniable by anyone.


would it change all the problems with our society?

no

would it take away yet another freedom that we take for granted?

yes.

do i want my freedom taken away becuase other people abuse that freedom? when this is already happening with things like the patriot act...


no
 
Actually-it's the victim's fault--not the gun nor the person.
I mean, afterall-the victim is the one who "runs" into the bullet.

...Or stays in it's general direction of the bullet.
It would be like swinging my arms around and having you run into them:p
 
Originally posted by Tredoslop
Actually-it's the victim's fault--not the gun nor the person.
I mean, afterall-the victim is the one who "runs" into the bullet.

...Or stays in it's general direction of the bullet.
It would be like swinging my arms around and having you run into them:p
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damn victims. we should have more victim-control laws.
 
Originally posted by CyberSh33p
damn victims. we should have more victim-control laws.
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Yes! Where every victim is killed, therefore they are dealt with before being..errrmm dealt with...
 
Do guns kill people? Hmm.....

In 1999, approximately 10,096 people were murdered by guns in the United States

A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than it is to be used against an intruder.

10 children are killed by guns in the U.S. every day, on average.


Guns are the byproduct of a fearful and hateful society. There are only two reasons to own a gun, and there is no one person in this world who owns a gun that does not own it for one of these two reasons. They are fearful, or they are hateful. They keep it in fear of their safty, or they keep it in order to cause harm. Taking guns out of the equation wont get to the root of the problem, however. Until we progress as a race and move beyond our hate for one another, guns are an evil necessity.
 
Originally posted by mchammer75040
Well..ok i thought about what you said and if you planned your bang at the right time..you could make someone crash their car... or accidently stab themselves...or fall off a building...:dozey:
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Or give someone a heart attack :dozey:
 
Originally posted by CyberSh33p
guns don't kill people, death kills people.
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LOL...GTA3...Chatterbox.. gotta love it

It's dumb to think that guns are at fault. If the user is an adult...they know right from wrong...they know what they hold can kill...they are the one's that make the decision to pull the trigger. A person that murders with a gun: Take the gun away and they'd still kill..it doesn't change the person..
 
Originally posted by coolio2man

Hypothetical Example 2: (Guns do exist)
Same thing as above cept u grab ur pistol. Its a .357magnum with a full chamber of Hollow point rounds. Whiles he getting away *BLAM* U down him on the stop.

*Note: Criminals are less likely to steal ur things or commit murder if they think u have a gun on you. They can protect u, they can serve u, for good or evil. Its the person who decides.
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(Bit of a late reply)

Last time I checked the real world wasn't Max Payne-like where you go on a quest for vengeance to kill a madman. Ok, so you get that gun and kill the guy. Now how did that help? Made you feel better for .5 secs until you see your dead family again.

Now let's take a more realistic example.
Your neighbour is playing loud music all night, he's been doing this for a while and the cops aren't doing anything about it. You get in an argument with him about it, and both of you get very pissed. You run back to your house, grab your gun and shoot your neighbour 15 times in a frenzy.
Sounds like fun to you? A righteous use of your gun? Didn't think so. And if you do, imagine you being that neighbour.

Another one, more fun with guns!
You always keep your gun in a safe, locked away. Now one night when your wife thinks she's heard something downstairs you, being the brave and righteous man you are, grab your gun and hop downstairs. Nothing there of course, and you go back and being tired, you drop the gun on a table in your bedroom. Now the next morning your young kid does something he's not supposed to do and gets sent to his room. He's angry, and sees your gun lying on that table. *BLAM* bye daddy.

I don't like guns.

These examples may not be the most realistic ones ever either, but they get my point across (I hope)
 
We've been killing each other since the first monkey picked up a stick and brained his brother for pissing on his patch. Guns are just the latest fashion in sticks nothing more. In 200 years time the thread title will be 'Do Disruptor penguins kill, or do people/nanite/cyborgs?':dozey:

Seriously though, I'd say that guns are a bad thing, and that public 'need' to bear arms is 'questionable', certainly in the case of assault rifles and submachine guns (not exactly hunting equipment) and rifles of any kind in cities.
 
Well I'm not gonna argue for either side, but I'll put in my 2 cents none the less. Remember this is just my opinion, terms like "honest truth" and "matter of fact" don't apply for the following :)

That being said, the honest truth is that people kill people, a gun is an instrument to do so. A gun alone cannot kill a person, a person can, but a gun helps. Also - man invented guns, we can't blame every gun related death on the gun as if it's some alien object. I spose it's a combination of the person themselves, coupled with how stable they are, and the society they're raised in/people they're raised with.

Also, no matter how much people deny it, TV and video games DO effect the human psyche. One will not play Grand Theft Auto and immediately grab his dads 12 gauge and go on a shooting spree. They may not be associated with violence, infact it can alleviate stress, games are alot of fun! They effect us by desensitising us to certain materials, so after playing Counter-Strike for 5 years it might be just that much easier to cap one in that jock from high school who keeps buggin ya, maybe if you play Postal 2 enough you could take a spade to your Algebra teacher without the slightest ping of concience, I don't know. Of course real situations wouldn't match up to simulated, but it does condition us.

Anyway I kinda trailed off there, video games are great, but to deny they effect you at all is like saying smoking won't damage your lungs.

BAH I'm tired, end of essay.
 
THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE BULLET KILLS PEOPLE

Has someone else already said that? was I too late?


:cheese:
 
I'd have to say that it is people using guns that kill people. A gun cannot think. It cannot pull it's own trigger. It cannot see. It bears no malice towards anyone.

People can think. People can pull triggers. People see (some see too much). Some people often seem to bear malice towards everyone.

Yes, guns are an aid, but so are your fists if you really want them to be.

Ban fists!

PS: All things said about guns in this thread are completely untrue if the gun in question is a Gonne. ;)
 
it's physically and phycologically easier to kill somone with a gun than a knife never mind with your fists. I'v had two people pull knifes on me, if they were guns I would be dead.
 
People kill people. Guns do not think they only do what they where made to do. People think and therefore they are the killers not guns.
 
Originally posted by crabcakes66
guns are nothing but tools....like every other object in our everyday lives.....

there purpose is to kill...and they are good at it.


Does this make guns bad?

No. we only percieve them as bad.


Killing is neccasary sometimes....wether we want to admit or not....
Guns are a means to an end.

would making it against the law for a civillian to posses a firearm reduce the amount amount of murders in the USA?

in simple terms....yes....it would statistically reduce homicides and suicides...ect

this is undeniable by anyone.


would it change all the problems with our society?

no

would it take away yet another freedom that we take for granted?

yes.

do i want my freedom taken away becuase other people abuse that freedom? when this is already happening with things like the patriot act...


no
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Very well-put, Crabcakes. :thumbs:
 
Allowing guns for the sake of freedom is just wrong imho. Those guns are used to kill a very large amount of people every year, every day even. I can't understand how you think it's morally right to allow guns just because it's 'freedom' and 'your right' while so many people get killed because of that.

The law against killing people is also a limitation of your freedom, why not just scrap that one too eh? Just because some people actually do it doesn't mean normal people shouldn't be allowed to kill!!1 [/exaggerated example]


Now I'd like you to ask yourself, what holds more value to you: the lives of hundreds (don't know the exact amount) of people who get killed because their killer had easy and legitimate access to a gun, or that right or freedom you have?
I know for certain all those dead people won't be able to enjoy that freedom anymore.

*sigh*
Sorry if I'm sounding a bit angry, I just find it really hard to understand pro-gun people.
 
Guns make it easier for criminals to kill people, if you were walking down the street and somone pulled a gun on you and put it to your head you wouldn't be able to get your gun out and shoot them before they pulled the trigger. If you did somehow manage to shoot them, then your in deep ****ing shit, unless you have about 50 odd witnesses to back you up.

Also it makes the polices job alot harder if everyone has the abuility to gun them down.
 
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