Do nice guys finish last?

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This springs from a conversation I had with my flatmates before I scampered back to Kent -

I was arguing that nice guys don't always finish last, arguing that I'm a nice guy, and I don't always finish last. My theory was that nice guys don't finish last, doormats finish last. People who let anyone walk all over them etc.

My flatmates said that no, you're not a nice guy, you're a decent guy - basically saying that since you can't call people doormats, you call them nice guys.

What do you people think?
 
ComradeBadger said:
This springs from a conversation I had with my flatmates before I scampered back to Kent -

I was arguing that nice guys don't always finish last, arguing that I'm a nice guy, and I don't always finish last. My theory was that nice guys don't finish last, doormats finish last. People who let anyone walk all over them etc.

My flatmates said that no, you're not a nice guy, you're a decent guy - basically saying that since you can't call people doormats, you call them nice guys.

What do you people think?
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In regard to the heading of this thread: Nice guys finish first, but not in the way you think...Tucker Max wrote a book on the subject. I suggest you check it out.
 
Hmm... I think... yes.
Interesting observations.. I'm sometimes called a 'nice guy'... but also a bit of a bitch (ie sharp tongue)... maybe I'm bipolar.. or just confused!
With regards to the main question, it really depends what 'finishing last' means... depending on what being a nice guy means, being a nice guy (i.e. upstanding, decent) can be the thing to aim for in itself. But I think I agree with the distinction of "nice guy" = doormat, and upstanding = decent.
 
Nice guys do well.
Really low-confidence, shy, introverted losers who happen to be nice finish last.
Loud obnoxious losers who bitch about WOW and who are jerks also finish last.
 
Nice guys who also happen to be insecure and not confident with women finish last.
 
It's not so much that nice guys finish last...it's that guys always see women with douchebags and assholes and just think it.
 
It's not just women. It's in the workplace as well. Missing out on promotions because you don't suck the bosses penile juice unlike loudmouth ****tard frank in accounts. With one hand he'll jerk the boss, with the other he'll subdue his underling bitches.

That's the cosmic shame.
 
yes, yes they do. if you dont agree you just dont see the truth. it's all caveman rules out there.
 
You can have nice guys that finish last, and ones that finish first. No coreleation in my mind.
 
Nice people finish last if the people they are competeing against them deserve it more.
 
Dumb people finish last.
If you are nice, you should know to hang out with people that won't take advantage of you. Hang out with people that share a lot of values with you, that you fit in with. In that case you will be prosperous and have a fine realtionship with people around you. And a good time. You will accomplish more by working together then if you were an ass and did all yourself.
As far as woman go, the most pathetic thing I see around me are poeple who judge themselfes by how they do with the girls, a lot of people have a relationship for the sake of a relationship, while in essance they do not give a shit about each other, they base their selfrespect on false ideals.
And to many introverts try to act like extroverts, fact is you are almost always going to be uncomfrotable talking to strange girls, and you are not going to like it, you are going to have akward situation, you cannnot be who you are not. And the same go's for extroverts, if you like talking, like to meet a lot of new people, don't hang out that much with introverts, it's just going to be akward and you won't do the shit you want to do.
Dumb people try to be and act like people that they simply aren't, and in doing so they will never realize who they are and wat they are good at.
 
CrazyHarij said:
yes, yes they do. if you dont agree you just dont see the truth. it's all caveman rules out there.
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You can be nice and forceful you know. Shitting on others isn't the only way to succeed.
 
introvert and extrovert stuff is crap. Sometimes I'm shy, and have time on my own. Sometimes i feel lonely thus feel a need for lots of other people so i go out clubbing or something and and have some fun.

My attitude changes
 
In general, nice guys finish last, unless they get lucky. However, bad guys who're not very good at being bad guys tend to do pretty badly too (if they've not got the nads to follow through with their nastiness, that is). Unfortunately, the arrogant arsehole with no qualms tends to have a good shot of winning most of the time.
 
Wait, am I the only person who thought this thread was about sex and orgasm?
 
Nice insecure guys who let them self’s get bossed around and walked all over finish last.
 
Guys, we are talking about ejaculating after she orgasm's right?
 
Solaris said:
Guys, we are talking about ejaculating after she orgasm's right?
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Yes, bad guys suffer from the condition that we doctors like to call "Premature Ejaculation"
 
Solaris said:
Guys, we are talking about ejaculating after she orgasm's right?
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I already said that :-P Welcome to 41 minutes ago.
 
Nice guys do finish last. They don't appeal to girls on the dating scene...only as friends.

Girls want a guy who leads...nice guys are a pushover. They won't choose where to go for dinner, what movie to see and all of that. That kind of stuff generally bugs them. They want a guy who can make decisions and is confident. Nice guys generally aren't too confident and instead try to be overly nice to girls to try and get them. That doesn't work, you look more insecure and nothing gets girls better than confidence. It makes you look 10x better and makes you seem like your worth getting, rather than you go for anything you can get. Girls want a guy thats a challenge to get and is worth bragging about, not a guy that is desperate and anyone can get. I could go on...but you get the idea. Nice guys do finish last.
 
Glirk Dient said:
Girls want a guy who leads...nice guys are a pushover. They won't choose where to go for dinner, what movie to see and all of that. That kind of stuff generally bugs them. They want a guy who can make decisions and is confident. Nice guys generally aren't too confident and instead try to be overly nice to girls to try and get them. That doesn't work, you look more insecure and nothing gets girls better than confidence. It makes you look 10x better and makes you seem like your worth getting, rather than you go for anything you can get. Girls want a guy thats a challenge to get and is worth bragging about, not a guy that is desperate and anyone can get. I could go on...but you get the idea. Nice guys do finish last.
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Are you kidding me? Dude, your logic is bullshit. Nice guy does not equate to lack of confidence, or inability to make decisions. Nor does being a nice guy mean you're desperate.

You should try judging dog shows, not people, you'd be better at it.
 
Raziaar said:
Are you kidding me? Dude, your logic is bullshit. Nice guy does not equate to lack of confidence, or inability to make decisions. Nor does being a nice guy mean you're desperate.

You should try judging dog shows, not people, you'd be better at it.
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Not always, but generally those go hand in hand.
 
Glirk Dient said:
Not always, but generally those go hand in hand.
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A nice guy, to me... is one who is not an asshole.

What you're thinking of... is a timid guy.
 
Raziaar said:
A nice guy, to me... is one who is not an asshole.

What you're thinking of... is a timid guy.
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True...im thinking of a different kind of nice guy. Not sure who the OP is refering to but im thinking of the stereotypical nice guy being the fat/loserish guy who always tells girls they are pretty and will do anything for them and never hit on them/make a move or do anything of the sort and agrees to anything they say, laughs at every joke of theirs. That kind of nice guy...the pathetic one that can become annoying and is generally just desperate.
 
I'm a nice guy and I don't finish last.

Glirk Dient said:
Nice guys do finish last. They don't appeal to girls on the dating scene...only as friends.

Girls want a guy who leads...nice guys are a pushover. They won't choose where to go for dinner, what movie to see and all of that. That kind of stuff generally bugs them. They want a guy who can make decisions and is confident. Nice guys generally aren't too confident and instead try to be overly nice to girls to try and get them. That doesn't work, you look more insecure and nothing gets girls better than confidence. It makes you look 10x better and makes you seem like your worth getting, rather than you go for anything you can get. Girls want a guy thats a challenge to get and is worth bragging about, not a guy that is desperate and anyone can get. I could go on...but you get the idea. Nice guys do finish last.
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I'm a nice guy and I've always felt that leadership urge. I feel much more comfortable taking the lead and making decisions and planning things out to be executed by others. That is a personality trait that has absolutely zilch to do with whether you're an asshole or a nice person.
 
my first question is:


finish WHAT last???? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? You mean that nice guys last longer in bed?? I DONT GET IT!!!

lol
 
Glirk Dient said:
True...im thinking of a different kind of nice guy. Not sure who the OP is refering to but im thinking of the stereotypical nice guy being the fat/loserish guy who always tells girls they are pretty and will do anything for them and never hit on them/make a move or do anything of the sort and agrees to anything they say, laughs at every joke of theirs. That kind of nice guy...the pathetic one that can become annoying and is generally just desperate.
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That's just a pathetic fat guy who happens to say nice things, not the definition of 'nice guy'
 
What you have to understand is that "nice guys" isn't a synonym for "guys who are nice," but a synonym for "shy, insecure guys."
 
NotATool said:
What you have to understand is that "nice guys" isn't a synonym for "guys who are nice," but a synonym for "shy, insecure guys."
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But it's labelled on anybody who isn't an asshole to women.
 
NotATool said:
What you have to understand is that "nice guys" isn't a synonym for "guys who are nice," but a synonym for "shy, insecure guys."
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Alright then yes, shy insecure guys do finish last and for the reason that they are shy and insecure.
 
There's other interesting things do with your time than just finding girls... seriously none of this stuff really matters. If you enjoy dating and all that, good. If you don't enjoy it (because you suck at it or other reasons), find something else to pursue. I do what I want with my life, I'm not limited by biological roles.
 
pomegranate said:
Please don't take this as a flame, but that's not really the impression I get from your posts!
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nah, I'd say he's nice but also confident
 
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