Do you believe in life after death?

[Tr0n]

Yes, there is life after death. My own personal expereinces are evidence of this, if only for myself.

qckbeam, I wouldn't be so presumptuous. There is much about ourselves that very few understand. It is my experience that our physical parts are rather insignificant in the long run, and serve only as a vehicle for the duration of the time a physical vehicle is required.

Relying on science to tell us if there is anything to us other than our physical counterparts is rather irrational, considering science lacks any tool to measure beyond the phyisical in the first place, let alone comprehend it.

Many here would benefit from approaching religion and faith with more understanding, and not simply chaulk it all up to people who are no more than deeply afraid. Why can't it be people who have tapped into something very deep within their soul, and have decided to trust in it? Why do they have to be reduced to cowards? Why are athiests not cowards for turning their backs on a truth, fearfull of what it might mean?


My advice, rely less on science. It is very fluid and the truths science offers you today will be very different than the truths it offers your children. Do not ask it to explain things beyond the universe, it is still trying to figure out whats going on within the confines of our own solar system, our own planet, our own bodies. Science is an infant when you compare what it knows to what it hasn't even begun to understand. Pay attention to science, it is a very important tool, but don't treat it as the new religion, it's word being infallible.

Also, take some time to meditate ffs. Cease the daily rush for just a few moments and be still. Then next time be still a little longer. Then, when you have learned to still your body, still your mind. Soon, your mind will open itself to you. Explore it, revel in it, try to understand it. After this, your soul will open itself to you, eplore it, realize it, attempt to understand if you think you can. Meditation is one of the single most important disciplines a human being can undergoe. It is the springboard to understanding yourself in ways otherwise impossible.


Just my thoughts on the subject, take them to heart, ignore them, tear them apart. Whatever.

That post is really moving...Haven't read somethin that great on these forums in a long time.

 

[satch919]

brassm0nkey, science seeks the truth no matter how crazy the concept. Science, i believe, is here to figure out our place and meaning in the universe. I rely on science because its a fact finding avenue for those that try to understand their standing.

Science has no tool to measure such things, yet. If you would have told ancient astronomers that there was a way to measure the speed of light or certain molecules, they would have looked at you like you were crazy. All it takes is time and some determined people.

 

[MurderScene]

nah, i dont. i believe we just die. plain n simple.

 

[Absinthe]

brassm0nkey, science seeks the truth no matter how crazy the concept. Science, i believe, is here to figure out our place and meaning in the universe. I rely on science because its a fact finding avenue for those that try to understand their standing.

Science has no tool to measure such things, yet. If you would have told ancient astronomers that there was a way to measure the speed of light or certain molecules, they would have looked at you like you were crazy. All it takes is time and some determined people.

Seconded to the fullest.

 

[MurderScene]

oops, my bad. delete this pls =)

 

[bliink]

I'm not really sure on this. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it doesn't seem very realistic to me. Our person is composed completely of organic material. Our existence is entirely physical (at least from what we can tell). So if my physical self dies, both my brain and body go, then how could I continue to live on in some other reality or state of existence?

You know, I saw a cool documentary on how all the structures in the brain (I forgot the name of them, axyons or something), have this electrical "pulse" at very unpredictable intervals, and the particles responsible for this are said to be performing quantum interactions.
Quantum science currently seems to be able to violate many of the laws of regular physics, there are something like 11 dimensions when it comes to quantum physics, and these scientists were saying that its possible for a particle to almost 'teleport' itself from one position to the other etc, and that its possible that the human brain, with all these odd structures may be able to co-ordinate and control some quantum phenomena, eg the scientific grey areas such as Uri Gellers spoon bending or that "6th sense" we have may be the result of our brains accessing the "quantum plane".
Now, who's to say that when we die, the structure of our brain ends up preserved and functional in quantum state?

 

[Brassm0nkey]

statch you raise a couple interesting points I will like to address, but I have to be somewhere right now. I'll be back in an hour or so to post. But I would like to point out I wasn't attacking science by any means, I was just attempting to point out that science should be looked at more as a continuously developing understanding of our world, rather than an infallible source of truth.

 

[PvtRyan]

My advice, rely less on science. It is very fluid and the truths science offers you today will be very different than the truths it offers your children.

So what you're saying is that we should trust more on speculative theories that might or might not be true (but we will never know which one) and offer our children these dogma's too?
Science is never perfect, but it's the only source of "truth" mankind knows.

 

[Jimmeh]

You know, I saw a cool documentary on how all the structures in the brain (I forgot the name of them, axyons or something), have this electrical "pulse" at very unpredictable intervals, and the particles responsible for this are said to be performing quantum interactions.
Quantum science currently seems to be able to violate many of the laws of regular physics, there are something like 11 dimensions when it comes to quantum physics, and these scientists were saying that its possible for a particle to almost 'teleport' itself from one position to the other etc, and that its possible that the human brain, with all these odd structures may be able to co-ordinate and control some quantum phenomena, eg the scientific grey areas such as Uri Gellers spoon bending or that "6th sense" we have may be the result of our brains accessing the "quantum plane".
Now, who's to say that when we die, the structure of our brain ends up preserved and functional in quantum state?

Hmmm, very interesting. But the thing about wondering what happens after death is, you won't actually know until...well..your dead (well, or you won't know if death really just means you ceast to exist )

This maybe a bit off-topic, but that sixth sense thing got me thinking the other day, during a P.E lesson we were all kicking about basketballs while the teacher was fecking about doing something else, and one ball went astray and went flying towards him as he was walking off. There were no shadows cast, no shout to tell him to duck, nobody in front of him looking up at it, yet he still ducked when the ball was about 6ft away from him and it missed.

 

[Dan]

I believe in life after death in the sense that consciousness is unconnected to reality.

 

[Bullseye]

Well I don't think there is nothing after death.. cause that would just be plain boring

I have my theories about the "after world" but i've never really been able to explain them to anybody. it's kind of a complex theory. but i'll guess we'll never know cause so far nobody has returned from the death.
(Near-death experiences don't count cause you're not officially dead until your brain nolonger functions, nor does jesus count for being a story)

 

[nicknitro]

This is one of the weirdest questions known.. what happens after death.

 

[AcousticToad]

I believe we are already dead, although I believe that the Human race itself expired long ago to some cataclysmic event, we (whats left of the race) are just the remnants of our former beings. Therefor we have already reached 'the next stage' for lack of a better word, when the time comes for everyone to die once more the Human race will carry on in some sort.

I think of ghosts and spirits as those who are in another plane of existence, fluctuating between the planes of reality. Who is to say that when we die, our shell is the only thing that truely dies, our being, our soul passes on to the next plane and starts again. This is where reincarnation can sometimes go wrong, people who suffer a fate (they may have been murdered, died in an accident) moments before they die refuse to believe its time to pass over, they are so committed to righting their wrongs that they stay in this reality and take on their reincarnated form.

I belive in the former point after watching a program a few years back where a five year old girl had a strange lump on her head, she could remember details of how it happened and when, as it turned out the memories she was remembering where of a WW2 pilot shot down during the war, he was taken hostage and executed via a signle gunshot to the center of the forehead. Its my understanding that at that very moment he refused to pass on and jumped form, maybe through several forms or just waiting for the correct vessel.

I dont really believe in Heaven or Hell, I think it has to do with what people have heard while growing up, if they are at peace before they die, then its likely that they will be thinking of going to heaven, when they do die, they are still thinking and slip into a dreamlike state and go through what they understand is the process of going to heaven (tunnel of light, gates, family members etc) same goes for people who think they have been evil during their life, their beliefs will make them imagine endless torment in firery pits.

Everyone will probably have a chance to decide what to do when they die, pass on, remain, dream etc.

 

[nicknitro]

Everyone will probably have a chance to decide what to do when they die, pass on, remain, dream etc.

That doesnt sound to bad if i do say so myself..

 

[Darkside55]

My opinions of what the afterlife entails tend to vary, but I do believe there to be an afterlife. Most of the time I believe in a heaven and a hell, although not the cliched scenes of pearly gates and clouds, or a lake of fire. I think that if such places existed they'd be more like polar opposites to each other; if you imagined a pristine-looking city and then one in which every building was torn down and ruined, for example. That's what I believe.

I've strongly considered the possibility of there not being an afterlife, however. I've scared the crap out of myself trying to wrap my mind around what it might feel like if I couldn't see, couldn't hear, couldn't even think or feel or exist. Scary thought.

Whenever I think of that though, I take comfort in the fact that Einstein believed in an afterlife, due to the law that states energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. Einstein is a far far greater scientific mind than mine, so if he believed in an afterlife then that offers some consolation.

 

[KoreBolteR]

what it might feel like if I couldn't see, couldn't hear, couldn't even think or feel or exist. Scary thought.

you wont be able to feel anything

 

[satch919]

statch you raise a couple interesting points I will like to address, but I have to be somewhere right now. I'll be back in an hour or so to post. But I would like to point out I wasn't attacking science by any means, I was just attempting to point out that science should be looked at more as a continuously developing understanding of our world, rather than an infallible source of truth.

I know you weren't attacking science. I understand what you're saying too and I respect it. I was just talking about what science gives me and others interested in the science community.

Im eager to hear your thoughts on the subject.

:cheers:

 

[satch919]

Whenever I think of that though, I take comfort in the fact that Einstein believed in an afterlife, due to the law that states energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. Einstein is a far far greater scientific mind than mine, so if he believed in an afterlife then that offers some consolation.

Lots of scientists believe in some sort of religion and then there are some that don't. There's no law stating that you can't be a scientist and a religious person at the same time.

Im sure that there were scientists that could have argued with you about the Earth being flat a long time ago. Just because these brilliant minds believed it doesn't make it true.

 

[Viperidae]

You know, I saw a cool documentary on how all the structures in the brain (I forgot the name of them, axyons or something), have this electrical "pulse" at very unpredictable intervals, and the particles responsible for this are said to be performing quantum interactions.
Quantum science currently seems to be able to violate many of the laws of regular physics, there are something like 11 dimensions when it comes to quantum physics, and these scientists were saying that its possible for a particle to almost 'teleport' itself from one position to the other etc, and that its possible that the human brain, with all these odd structures may be able to co-ordinate and control some quantum phenomena, eg the scientific grey areas such as Uri Gellers spoon bending or that "6th sense" we have may be the result of our brains accessing the "quantum plane".
Now, who's to say that when we die, the structure of our brain ends up preserved and functional in quantum state?

Yeah. I think the human brain (or brains in general) is probably the most complicated thing in the universe. It is so flexible and clever. Glad I've got one. :cheese:

 

[Murray_H]

Yeah. I think the human brain (or brains in general) is probably the most complicated thing in the universe. It is so flexible and clever. Glad I've got one. :cheese:

Yep, human brains are the most complicated mass of organised matter in the known universe. Aren't we cool!

The brain contains 100 billion neurons, all interconnected.

The brains feel no pain.

The brain can continue to send out electrical impulses for 37 hours after death.

The brain is capable of recording over 86 million pieces of information daily.

 

[Brian Damage]

I once read somewhere that certain scientists claimed to have recorded sudden bursts of radiation coming from the bodies of the recently deceased. Never did find out what became of that.

I've also read about a theory that states that the enormously complex structures in the brain may actually have nonphysical counterparts of some sort that persist after death. I think it was tied into zero-point theory somehow. Can't remember.

 

[Dasparov]

Or you just go into another body ect?