Do you believe in the Death Penalty?

[swiss]

I dont.
Just want to know other peoples views.
If you dont, then you must take the view that the Nazi war criminals should not have been executed. Something some people would disagree with.

 

[dream431ca]

I dont.
Just want to know other peoples views.
If you dont, then you must take the view that the Nazi war criminals should not have been executed. Something some people would disagree with.

Should have made this a poll..would have been a great poll subject..

And No I don't. Why do people believe that killing people will get rid of their problems? Let them live in prison for the rest of their lives. It's much worse than death.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Yes.

Although I believe some societies it wouldn't fit in, here it does.

 

[CptStern]

no the nazi war criminals shouldnt have been executed, better to let them rot in jail for life ..a swift death is mercy compared to life in prison ....not that this issue is ever that cut and dry

 

[DreamThrall]

In Soviet Russia, the death penalty believes in YOU!

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

And No I don't. Why do people believe that killing people will get rid of their problems? Let them live in prison for the rest of their lives. It's much worse than death.

Then why often are defense teams and convicts scrambling to have a sentence of life in prison imposed rather than a death penalty?

 

[CptStern]

because some life is better than none at all

 

[Solaris]

The only people to hang will be the Petis Bourogoise and there vacillations.

Apart from that, no.

And add a f****g poll.

 

[Qonfused]

I just don't believe in the death penalty, I believe in eye-for-an-eye, in some cases. Most times with the death penalty, they have to "wait" to prison for 15+ years, and then they get fried/injected. For me, injection doesn't do. There's no pain in it what-so-ever. And if you're a mass murderer, mass raper, mass etc., you deserve pain.

 

[craig]

It depends on the nature of the crime the person being sentanced to death comitted.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

because some life is better than none at all

Well then doesn't that invalidate the 'life in prison is worse than death' point?

 

[ComradeBadger]

The only people to hang will be the Petis Bourogoise and there vacillations.

Apart from that, no.

And add a f****g poll.

You're like a stuck record.

Do you even know what the phrases you spout mean?

 

[CptStern]

Well then doesn't that invalidate the 'life in prison is worse than death' point?

no it doesnt ..self preservation is instinctual ..the person wanting life in prison is only seeing that the alternative is far worse because it is final. I'm sure some people would prefer life in solitary to death

 

[Raziaar]

no the nazi war criminals shouldnt have been executed, better to let them rot in jail for life ..a swift death is mercy compared to life in prison ....not that this issue is ever that cut and dry

I guess it would depend on your spiritual views, wouldn't it? I mean... if you don't believe in god, if you don't believe in anything spiritual, then I suppose being put to death would be better than rotting in prison.

But if you believe that those heinous criminals would be going someplace terrible for their crimes, for all eternity... I think its the other way around. Heh.

 

[Solaris]

You're like a stuck record.

Do you even know what the phrases you spout mean?

Yes, the petit bourogouis, are the budding capitlists bidding to own land under communsit russia, and vacillations well thats just obvious.

 

[dream431ca]

Then why often are defense teams and convicts scrambling to have a sentence of life in prison imposed rather than a death penalty?

Good point. But I still believe living in some locked up place with no friends and bad food is worse than death...IMO. But also, their scared to die...so is everyone. But I still think they should shrivil up in prison their whole life.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

no it doesnt ..self preservation is instinctual ..the person wanting life in prison is only seeing that the alternative is far worse because it is final. I'm sure some people would prefer life in solitary to death

I disagree, I'd rather get life in prison than the death penalty, much better- it's not like they're in solitary confinement or things like that when they receive that sentence.

I'd also much rather someone who murders me or a family member be executed, too.

edit: Also want to point out I'm not one of the people who calls for death penalty on every murder case. More often than not life in prison is more fitting. But in some cases, the death penalty is really needed. IMO death penalty cases should be the shorter court cases. IE: We ALL saw this guy run into the parking lot and chainsaw this bystander in half. Convicted of it very fast and a gruesome crime.

 

[CptStern]

I guess it would depend on your spiritual views, wouldn't it? I mean... if you don't believe in god, if you don't believe in anything spiritual, then I suppose being put to death would be better than rotting in prison.

I think it works in the exact opposite manner: if you dont believe in an afterlife death would be far worse than life in prison. If you believe in an afterlife all you need to do is repent and get your sins absolved before being executed

But if you believe that those heinous criminals would be going someplace terrible for their crimes, for all eternity... I think its the other way around. Heh.

you forget Im a former cathoic ..god in his merciful ways would give them a chance at redemption ...according to christian theology only the unrepentant go to hell ..and even that's a worse case scenario as most people would go to purgatory first

 

[CptStern]

I disagree, I'd rather get life in prison than the death penalty, much better- it's not like they're in solitary confinement or things like that when they receive that sentence.

there's that self-preservation instint kicking in again ...like I said death is final ..I'm sure the prisons are full of people who throughout their years of being incarcerated are just waiting/hoping for some new light to be shed on their case that may give them their freedom back ...there's been a few people on death row who've been found innocent (some, unforetunately too late)


btw I always find it funny when christians defend the death penalty ..when jesus clearly said:


"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, don't resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. Whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and don't turn away him who desires to borrow from you."

I guess some of you just ignore the compassion and mercy part of jesus' teachings

 

[Solaris]

Exactly.

I just cannot understand how a Christian can support the death penalty!


THOU SHALT NOT KILL

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Exactly.

I just cannot understand how a Christian can support the death penalty!


THOU SHALT NOT KILL

The commandment in the original Hebrew is actually "Thou shalt not murder."

Killing is often necessary throughout history for self defense and called for a LOT in the Bible.

 

[Absinthe]

No, for technical and moral reasons.

 

[Absinthe]

Killing is often necessary throughout history for self defense and called for a LOT in the Bible.

I'm curious as to how killing a convicted criminal is self-defense.

 

[CptStern]

The commandment in the original Hebrew is actually "Thou shalt not murder."

Killing is often necessary throughout history for self defense and called for a LOT in the Bible.

ya cuz the crusades were an act of self defense ...complete nonsense ..jesus was put to death because he was a radical who preached love and compasion

 

[kirovman]

In Soviet Russia, the death penalty believes in YOU!

haha, awesome

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'm curious as to how killing a convicted criminal is self-defense.

I never said it was, I was responding to his referencing the commandment.

ya cuz the crusades were an act of self defense ...complete nonsense ..jesus was put to death because he was a radical who preached love and compasion

I never said they were either!

I wasn't saying all killings are self defense, I said - killing in self defense has often been necessary throughout history.

 

[CptStern]

yes but rarely did the church kill out of self-defense

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

yes but rarely did the church kill out of self-defense

Um okay. That's not what I was saying either, just said killing in self defense has been necessary throughout history.

I was not trying to say self defense as an arguement for anything related to the death penalty, I was using it, the correct translation of the commandment, and the fact that the bible calls for killing quite a bit to counter what Solaris said as far as the "How can a Christian support the death penalty when a commandment is thou shalt not kill"

 

[CptStern]

yes but what is christianity? the original text translated reads "thou shall not murder" Yet jesus is clear that killing, or harming anyone is against god's teachings ......so which do you want to follow? a biblical passage that's been handed down from another religion or the word of jesus himself. Jesus' teachings completely contradict many of the bibles teachings, it's just that christianity tends to ignore one for the other whenever the mood suits them

 

[Spectre01]

I believe in it. A person is less likely to comit a crime or murder if they know they'll get the chair, or injection, then if they'll just have to sit for around 10-15 years in prison. It would be nice if they got a lifetime in prison for killing others, but a lot of the time that ain't the case.

 

[Absinthe]

I believe in it. A person is less likely to comit a crime or murder if they know they'll get the chair, or injection, then if they'll just have to sit for around 10-15 years in prison.

Funnily enough, there's been no evidence to support this notion.

 

[Muffin Man]

i don't believe in the death penalty, i blieve we should have the torso penalty. that is where you amputate the convicted's arms and legs, catstrate them, put them in a room with little light, a horrible samell, and put pleasureable things just out of reach, and don't let them move for any reason, just feed them some shit in a doggy dish and polluted water. thats what rapists and murderors deserve.

 

[CptStern]

I believe in it. A person is less likely to comit a crime or murder if they know they'll get the chair, or injection, then if they'll just have to sit for around 10-15 years in prison. It would be nice if they got a lifetime in prison for killing others, but a lot of the time that ain't the case.

no evidence whatsoever it deters crime:

"Some simple examples and contrasts, including a careful analysis of the experience in New York State compared to others, lead to a rejection of the idea that either death sentences or executions deter murder"


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/FaganTestimony.pdf

 

[dream431ca]

i don't believe in the death penalty, i blieve we should have the torso penalty. that is where you amputate the convicted's arms and legs, catstrate them, put them in a room with little light, a horrible samell, and put pleasureable things just out of reach, and don't let them move for any reason, just feed them some shit in a doggy dish and polluted water. thats what rapists and murderors deserve.

That would be torture.

 

[Muffin Man]

exactly

 

[JoeCLawrence]

I don't belive in it. I think it's been shown throughout history that strict policies don't act as an effective deterrent (I guess that's debatable though). The worst criminals often feel the urge to kill or rape despite knowing it's wrong or will get them in trouble with the law. Not to mention it seems pretty hypocritical to be like, "Hey you killed him. Know we'll kill you." Criminals should be rehabilitated (which doesn't really seem to happen in the American penal system. The number of repeat offenders is pretty high, IIRC) if possible, not just written off. Uhhh, they may have gotten a little rant-ish there, sorry.

 

[Solaris]

I agree.

Abolish prisons and get reform centers.

 

[Raz]

Must it always be about deterrence and rehabilitation? What happened to a good old dose of retribution!?

 

[Raziaar]

you forget Im a former cathoic ..god in his merciful ways would give them a chance at redemption ...according to christian theology only the unrepentant go to hell ..and even that's a worse case scenario as most people would go to purgatory first

Only if they're genuinely sorry and want to repent... not just if they say so.

I can bet most of the heinous crimes commiters never really feel genuinely sorry and remorseful.

Must it always be about deterrence and rehabilitation? What happened to a good old dose of retribution!?

Hey Raz... hi, its me... Raz.

 

[Absinthe]

I can bet most of the heinous crimes commiters never really feel genuinely sorry and remorseful.

That's something only the criminal can know for certain, so there's no use in travelling down that path of wether or not you actually think he feels remorse.