Do you think this is music?

[NotATool]

http://fuwatm.hp.infoseek.co.jp/finnisy_english_country_tune002_choice.mp3

Personally I think it is, and quite nice actually. Note, this isn't just some random guy banging on the piano, its Finnissy, a world reknown composer who's actually playing exactly what he wrote. At least he gets my respect for being able to do that, looks absolutely unplayable.

 

[Lucid]

That was just damn irritating to listen to tbh.

 

[CrazyHarij]

Yes, it is music.

music in my opinion is sound with intent. it's quite nice actually in my opinion. you have to understand that the intent obviously was to create tension and he pulled that off really well.

now, if you really want to discuss what constitutes as music, try checking out www.sleepbot.com

 

[Reaktor4]

No, imo. Its like he deliberately made it to be as crap sounding as possible.

 

[Qonfused]

Well, I guess. Not plesant to listen to but... I could "imitate" that real well. Hell, a 3 year old could.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Why do people say that was too irritating to listen to, I found it interesting.

Yup, it's music.

 

[StardogChampion]

Of course it's music.

 

[NotATool]

Well I'm glad (most of) you are open-minded .

No one is amazed at the skill it takes to play exactly what's on that page? He's not randomly banging on the piano.

Well, I guess. Not plesant to listen to but... I could "imitate" that real well. Hell, a 3 year old could.

No. "Simulate" maybe but I doubt it. It's much more precise than you think. He creates tension through complicated musical techniques such as flow and break, continuity and surprise, etc..

 

[ComradeBadger]

I actually enjoyed that

 

[CrazyHarij]

I actually enjoyed that

I totally agree.

 

[Lucid]

...o.o

You guys actually enjoyed that?... Would you really consider listening to that for a whole hour?

 

[Reaktor4]

He's not randomly banging on the piano.

He might as well have.

 

[OvA]

Sure it's music. It's vaguely pleasing to my ear too. It's like listening to a band/genre that isn't my favorite, but I can regonize it for what it is.

 

[Vegeta897]

...o.o

You guys actually enjoyed that?... Would you really consider listening to that for a whole hour?

Err, I don't think I could listen to any one song for an hour, tbh.

I thought it was interesting, there was something about it I liked, as mentioned in the thread, it sounded very tense and surprising.

 

[Sparda]

:sniper: Kill that man for that shit :x :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:

 

[Hectic Glenn]

:sniper: Kill that man for that shit :x :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:

Everything about you and that post is annoying far more than this music.

 

[Reginald]

OMFG! dat guy stoled my moosix!

 

[kaf11]

Its music. Very intense, reminds me of something you would hear in a score for a film.

 

[Qhartb]

I agree with the film score comment, although usually a film composer would not have enough time to write out a piece like that note-by-note when they could capture enough of the gist to work as incidental music by giving times and essentially describing how to bang on the piano when.

Yes, I definately consider that music. In fact, I spent a couple years studying music and techniques of the 20th century, and there's a lot of stuff like that piece around. Heck, I've even written some stuff like that. I was required to listen and write-up two 20th century pieces a week. I am absolutely serious when I say I often spent time at a piano try to find something that would still offend my ears, and came to the conclusion that the piano wasn't a harsh enough instrument to do it.

The most general definition of music that I like is "organized sound." Of course, what is "organized"? Most written music doesn't completely define what to do to make the sound, it leaves sections for improvisation, or doesn't say exactly what emphasis or articulation should be on every single not. The score just gives a basic idea of how to make the noise. Just how much indeterminacy is allowed and when it's allowed for a piece to still be music and for a piece to remain the same piece has been called into question in this century. My opinion is that, if you form any sort of plan to make sound, the results of that plan is music. Sure, it's extremely general, but I'd rather include too much than exclude interesting pieces.

 

[Laivasse]

Sure it's music, just not particularly good or interesting IMO. I don't doubt it takes extreme skill to play, but the fact that he wrote it and then played it note for note doesn't make it any less random, if he deliberately wrote it to be as random as possible in the first place. I suppose it sounds 'tense', but then so does a fart that rises slightly in pitch on the way out.

I'm vaguely interested in how he put it together - whether he banged out something first and then wrote it in notation and tried to 'perfect' it, or whether he just wrote out something nuts-looking and then spent ages practising the hell out of it. And then spent a little while crying, wondering why he'd spent ages writing something that sounds like a family of rats trapped in the piano.

 

[Steven]

Yeah and it's supposed to represent hyperness mixed with madness.

"theSteven hw do u nowz0rz" I just do bitch.

 

[Kouler]

*listens*

...no comment

 

[Murray]

I would say if he's fully able to play those exact tunes again, I can surely call it music.

 

[CrazyHarij]

my brother who is really experienced with the piano says the tune's not something that's particularly hard if you have practiced alot, it consists mostly of "drilling" and going up and down scales. though not something he would recommend a beginner to attempt to learn.

 

[Pesmerga]

...o.o

You guys actually enjoyed that?... Would you really consider listening to that for a whole hour?

Would you enjoy listening to "Californication" for a whole hour?

 

[Qonfused]

I'd have to say that anyone's "vision" as music would be music. If some person released a song of just one chord of guitar for one minute (Pinion), it's music. It doesn't have to be good since that's all opinion. I have to consider mainstream rap music even if I believe it's horrid.