doctor who series 5 this saturday

Darkshines said:
Aaah yeah that was a good one! I forget, I glazed over most of that series :| Kinda lost interest towards the end cause Martha was doing.my.head.in.
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She was far better than mumbles or hiss.
 
i dont know why anyone is defending her she was TERRIBLE!
 
The other two (not the most recent) were much more terrible.
 
Rose was decent for a while until she kept on appearing ALLLLL THE ****KINGGG TIMMEEEE and then I just dlsliked her. Donna I liked, for once a companion who didn't have the hots for the Doctor, and all the cheesy love scenes all but diminished. Martha on the other, while I think she had one or two decent episodes, on the whole, was awful. Karen Gillan makes quite an interesting companion, but I can't help but find her boring sometimes.

I think the best companions so far in the new Doctor Who's have been the males, the brief travels with Mickey and Rory most recently have provided the best entertainment, with decent comic relief. I think the next companion should be male and see what happens, at least i destroys all aspects of a love interest for once and I think the bond between him and the Doctor can be stronger, make for some more powerful scenes.
 
Shift said:
I think the best companions so far in the new Doctor Who's have been the males, the brief travels with Mickey and Rory most recently have provided the best entertainment, with decent comic relief. I think the next companion should be male and see what happens, at least i destroys all aspects of a love interest for once and I think the bond between him and the Doctor can be stronger, make for some more powerful scenes.
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The Doctor is strongly implied to be versatile :naughty: :naughty:
 
How I rate the companions from best to worst:

1 Rose, Amy
2 Martha
3 Donna
 
Remus said:
How I rate the companions from best to worst:

1 Rose, Amy
2 Martha
3 Donna
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What was wrong with Donna? 'Least she didn't have a mad lust for the doctor like Martha did, plus; Catherine Tate could act...
 
Donna was the most annoying by far, and like Rose had a speech impediment.
 
She was a better actress than the one playing Martha anyway (and I didn't rate Catherine Tate at all before Dr Who), her acting just infuriated me at times.
 
Out of all the companions my least favourite is Rose. I actually liked Donna, mostly because it was great to finally not have any pointless sexual tension between the Doctor and the current companion. After three seasons it was a bit annoying. Of course, Amy tries to get with him but for some reason I found it less bothersome this time.
 
Last episode of the series (well, last 2 eps) were pretty good. If nothing else, at least Moffat knows how to close a season.
 
Wait, time travel that makes sense? In MY Doctor Who? NEVARRR!!
 
they just couldn't resist putting a ****ing dalek in at the end, could they? jesus wept.
 
actually intelligent writing in the finale, holy ****!! :O

Good and clever episode altho disappointed they left the explanation of why the tardis exlpodes as a cliffhanger -_-
 
Brilliant! Moffat comes in and shows me why I've been wrong about how great previous finale's were. Also, about time they changed the format of "everything resolved in the final 60 minute episode". Well done Moff.
 
I just loved the fact that the ending brought together aspects that had been followed through the entire series, rather than just random excursions all the way through and then a random epic battle at the end. Moffat is a legend.
 
Yeah, they figured out long-arc storytelling a bit more properly this time. They've tried to do it since season one of the new show, but it was always a bit abortive - 'Bad Wolf' was little more than a buzzphrase whose meaning was suddenly revealed at the end. This time, it sort of actually worked.
 
Sulkdodds said:
Yeah, they figured out long-arc storytelling a bit more properly this time. They've tried to do it since season one of the new show, but it was always a bit abortive - 'Bad Wolf' was little more than a buzzphrase whose meaning was suddenly revealed at the end. This time, it sort of actually worked.
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Indeed, or the poor Season 4 attempt with "missing planets" being completely meaningless until the finale. I don't think seasons 2 and 3 really tried much though, perhaps a little foreshadowing at most.
 
Shift said:
Moffat is a legend.
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I hope you haven't forgotten all the terrible, logic defying episodes that plagued this series?

He's not a legend until he makes up for every. Single. One.
 
Its Sci-Fi, as far as I am concerned, you're allowed to defy logic :p
 
Dekstar said:
I hope you haven't forgotten all the terrible, logic defying episodes that plagued this series?

He's not a legend until he makes up for every. Single. One.
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Name 'em, name 'em! I was too bedazzled by the enjoying myself to notice

Anyway, TIMEY WIMEY
 
Dekstar said:
I hope you haven't forgotten all the terrible, logic defying episodes that plagued this series?

He's not a legend until he makes up for every. Single. One.
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You just made me realise something. The Doctor said the previous insane episodes had been swallowed by the cracks (Cyberking, stolen planets etc.) but now everything that the cracks swallowed is back. God damn it Moffat had the perfect excuse to wipe out all the crap and he ruined it. Can we please have the Cyberking being wiped out anyway? Please?
 
Jintor said:
Name 'em, name 'em! I was too bedazzled by the enjoying myself to notice

Anyway, TIMEY WIMEY
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How about how Moffat completely ruined the weeping angels by a) stopping them sending people back in time and feeding off their time energy. What possible benefit does killing a human have for them, especially since they were supposed to be trying to regain their energy. Then there's b) having them actually move on camera. The whole point of them is that they're quantumly forced to become solid when something is looking at them. That would involve the audience. Made it so much creepier as it drew the audience into the fantasy. Having them move while being filmed ruined it. Also c) Moffat for some reason made them incredibly stupid, unable to tell that Amy had her eyes closed. How can one of the best killers in the universe be that dense? Moffat noted that he wanted to do a victory lap with the angels, but he ruined them forever.

Then there was the vampire fish episode, in which half-way through the episode the fish women were no longer affected by daylight, and could for some reason fly. Not to mention how, at the end, when the fish-leader took her clothes off to jump in the lake, she took the device off, but it didn't turn her back into fish-form. If the device worked in the way that once you set it to make you look like a human, you could just take it off and stay in human form, why couldn't she just have done that, then hid the device somewhere safe where Amy wouldn't kick it?

And don't get me started on the Dalek episode. Spitfires in space? Someone with a GCSE in physics would be able to tell you that was impossible. Not only that, but a 'sleeper agent' by the daleks with a bomb in his chest, that magically got defused when he thought about happy things is a completely ridiculous deus ex machina that would be the kind of thing a 5-year-old would write before concluding the story with "and he woke up and it was all a dream".

Oh and if you want a logical fallacy in the 'Rory-gets-erased' arc, how about how if Rory was erased from time, then there wouldn't have been any memories of him for the daleks etc. to get from her room. There was, however, a picture of him (SOMEHOW) there for them to conveniently bring him back with.

So yes, Moffat sucks. He has a good idea, but can't follow through 90% of the time.

EDIT: I should clarify. Moffat sucks when writing Dr Who. Check out his British sitcom he wrote YEARS before, called Coupling. It's actually good.
 
I don't think Moffat wrote the vampire fish one. The Weeping Angels episode was a bit dodgy but I still enjoyed it, I did however prefered it in how they acted in 'Blink'. It was so much creepier and brilliant. I think the Doctor explained that they could be fooled because they weren't to full strength however.

And Rory still existed because Amy still had him in her thoughts, she didn't realize. As the doctor was pleading with her to keep him as a memory. So even though she didn't know who he was initially, deep down he was still there in Amy's memory, therefore still managed to exist in time.

But even then, saying he sucks just because of those points is harsh. At least he makes entertaining episodes compared to the other writers.
 
Shift said:
I don't think Moffat wrote the vampire fish one. The Weeping Angels episode was a bit dodgy but I still enjoyed it, I did however prefered it in how they acted in 'Blink'. It was so much creepier and brilliant. I think the Doctor explained that they could be fooled because they weren't to full strength however.

And Rory still existed because Amy still had him in her thoughts, she didn't realize. As the doctor was pleading with her to keep him as a memory. So even though she didn't know who he was initially, deep down he was still there in Amy's memory, therefore still managed to exist in time.

But even then, saying he sucks just because of those points is harsh. At least he makes entertaining episodes compared to the other writers.
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You're correct, Moffat didn't write the fish one, but it still had those errors that, if I were writing, wouldn't have even written in in the first place. It's the general consensus my friends and I have about these recent Dr Who scripts, is that the errors that come up in them are so simple, they have to be pretty stupid to miss them, or think their audience is stupid enough not to realise them/care about them. It's bad writing, simple as.

The Rory thing is irrelevant, I know she 'remembered' him, but that doesn't explain how he was in a photo in her room--the only way the daleks etc got her memory. They didn't read her memory directly, they read the residual memories of her room.

And yes, he does suck for those points. The errors in his scripts defy nearly all scriptwriting conventions that people avoid by being good writers. I actually like Matt Smith as the Doctor, but think he doesn't have very good scripts to work with.
 
Shift said:
At least he makes entertaining episodes compared to the other writers.
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This.

Complaining that the show is ridiculous and illogical, is redundant.

The very premise of the show is ridiculous and illogical. He has no problem interfering with the past and future of other planets, but when it comes to saving his own world, nope can't be done. He explains this by saying that only some points in time can be changed, while others are fixed. Going from the assumption that time travel is possible, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
 
Dekstar said:
Oh and if you want a logical fallacy in the 'Rory-gets-erased' arc, how about how if Rory was erased from time, then there wouldn't have been any memories of him for the daleks etc. to get from her room. There was, however, a picture of him (SOMEHOW) there for them to conveniently bring him back with.
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Except that every time anything gets erased it doesn't removed the things that that thing did. Every time something gets erased we're shown that it doesn't actually change the universe significantly, just causes paradoxs. The fish-people planet got erased and they still existed. Rory got erased but the engagement ring was still there
Amy's parents were erased but she still existed.
 
Dekstar said:
or think their audience is stupid enough not to [...] care about them.
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If not caring about these things is stupid, then smeer stupid all over me. Watching this series hasn't felt like some painful obligation like the last four, and I struggle to think of anything I've enjoyed more in the first half of the year. Who'd have thought it... Doctor Who is actually good television, and I'm actually looking forward to the next series.
 
Man, I thought the phrase RUINED FOREVER was made redundant by the fanboy agreement act 2004
 
I'm sorry for actually caring about good television and scriptwriting. I guess when you take a university course in learning how to write good fiction, you begin to care about errors that you're taught not to do. In the first year.
 
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