Don't **** with the US electorate...

[GPRT]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1329858,00.html


teh Guardian is l33t @ Tr011in.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Lmao...


That is kinda funny....



Some decent replies. Some not.



But the thing that makes me laugh and sad too.... is that I don't see a single person who wanted to carry on voteing for Bush and was civil about it....

 

[Mechagodzilla]

God, I hate this sort of ignorance. Calling them terrorists for protesting? Saying that their opinion doesn't matter because the US has greater military power?
Since when was Stalin back from the dead?

 

[outpost]

Ouch, that made me cringe.

 

[qckbeam]

How very sad

 

[CptStern]

man you can almost feel the homicidal rage from some of them

btw a group of congressmen asked for the UN to monitor elections but that was turned down, in it's stead 20 international observers have come stateside at the request of the fairness group Global Exchange

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Ahaha...... haha.


Ahem...Well, thats why I don't read the Guardian but some of those replies were classic.

Consider this: stay out of American electoral politics. Unless you would like a company of US Navy Seals - Republican to a man - to descend upon the offices of the Guardian, bag the lot of you, and transport you to Guantanamo Bay, where you can share quarters with some lonely Taliban shepherd boys.

That would be fun to watch. Especially the part where they walk out after lots of gunfire and say "Yeah...there was nobody there "




Edit: Still, it does seem rather unfair play to have foriegn people taking part in the election. Say all you like about "We are all of the world" but I find it annoying when Westminster plays around with my area to please London...Having an American come of here to tell me who to vote for would quite frankly be patronising, and perhaps a little laughable.

 

[^Ben]

Lol that is teh funny.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Ahaha...... haha.


Ahem...Well, thats why I don't read the Guardian but some of those replies were classic.





That would be fun to watch. Especially the part where they walk out after lots of gunfire and say "Yeah...there was nobody there "




Edit: Still, it does seem rather unfair play to have foriegn people taking part in the election. Say all you like about "We are all of the world" but I find it annoying when Westminster plays around with my area to please London...Having an American come of here to tell me who to vote for would quite frankly be patronising, and perhaps a little laughable.

Sooooo... why dont you read the guardian?! lol

Silly scheme yes. But its still a great source of news in my opinion.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Well the main reason I don't read it is because of the subscription to The Times we have (Well...had anyway). It just doesn't float my boat, and this idea just enforces that really. But, we see in things what we want to see so I'm sure its a great newspaper for some...but not for me.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Hmm and people wonder why so many people hate americans? However its obvious that not all you americans are like that isnt it?

 

[Bad^Hat]

Real Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions.

Tally ho! :cheers: <--tea newbs

 

[Death.Trap]

Please be advised that I have forwarded this to the CIA and FBI.
United States


LMAO hahahahha

 

[Lil' Timmy]

yay ohio! :|

 

[seinfeldrules]

Have you not noticed that Americans don't give two shits what Europeans think of us? Each email someone gets from some arrogant Brit telling us why to NOT vote for George Bush is going to backfire, you stupid, yellow-toothed pansies ... I don't give a rat's ass if our election is going to have an effect on your worthless little life. I really don't. If you want to have a meaningful election in your crappy little island full of shitty food and yellow teeth, then maybe you should try not to sell your sovereignty out to Brussels and Berlin, dipshit. Oh, yeah - and brush your goddamned teeth, you filthy animals.

Agreed 100% (except for the insulting part, still funny though). This guy is the f'ing man. Stay the hell into your own affairs GB. Im not writing letters telling you who to vote for PM, and I could really care less.

ANother one! Priceless!

KEEP YOUR ****IN' LIMEY HANDS OFF OUR ELECTION. HEY, SHITHEADS, REMEMBER THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR? REMEMBER THE WAR OF 1812? WE DIDN'T WANT YOU, OR YOUR POLITICS HERE, THAT'S WHY WE KICKED YOUR ASSES OUT. FOR THE 47% OF YOU WHO DON'T WANT PRESIDENT BUSH, I SAY THIS ... TOUGH SHIT!

Real Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with your own worthless corner of it.

just read a hilarious proposal to involve your readership in the upcoming US presidential election. At least, I'm hoping that it is genius satire. Nothing will do more to undermine the Democratic cause in Ohio than having patronising Brits wander around Clark County telling people how to vote. Just, for a second, imagine if the Washington Post sent folks from Ohio to do the same in Oxfordshire. I'm saying this as a Democrat, and as someone who has spent the last few years in the UK. That is, with all due respect. Please, please, be rational, and move slowly away from the self-defeating hubris.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Agreed 100% (except for the insulting part, still funny though).

The quote, without the insulting part:

Have you not noticed that Americans don't care what Europeans think of us? Each email someone gets telling us why to NOT vote for George Bush is going to backfire. I don't care if our election is going to have an effect on your lives. I really don't.

So you agree 100% that you need not care about international opinion, even if Bush's policy harms other countries, even if they are your strongest allies?
I'd call that a dangerous level of arrogance.

That's what the guy is saying, in any case (once all the overt racism is removed).

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Agreed 100% (except for the insulting part, still funny though). This guy is the f'ing man. Stay the hell into your own affairs GB. Im not writing letters telling you who to vote for PM, and I could really care less.

ANother one! Priceless!

Wow....


Yeah well. I appreciate that its stupid trying to tell you how to vote. But wasnt this suppost to be advice. I am sure no one tried to force them to vote for someone.....



And also... I would appreciate it if you lost the nasty steriotypes about us having bad teeth, drinking tea, having bad food.... etc...

I am sure you hate it when people say all Americans are fat or stupid.... So frankly. Shut it.




Oh and if you don't care how you're election fairs the rest of the world..... thats just low and selfish to me.





Have a nice day.

 

[Edcrab]

Hahah, it's great to see the usual English stereotype smeared around- bowler hat wearing tea-drinkers talking in Recieved Pronunciation with manky teeth and a football hooligan son.

I mean, we don't talk about Americans as if they're either fatcat businessmen (both in girth and in wallet) or inbred hicks trying to round up cattle.

As uneducated as some of those replies sound, I'm happy to see a sensationalist tabloid like the Guardian getting thoroughly bashed up by incensed citizens of the USA.

 

[Reaktor4]

Americans complaining about other countries sticking their noses in?? Seems a bit hypocritical. Unless of course those same people made similar complaints to the american government.
I agree with some of them though, that was a very, very stupid idea from the guardian which i bet will backfire.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

ANother one! Priceless!

Well, as for the others, without their furiously insulting elements:

Do not show concern over our election. We hate you to the point that it is as though we were still at war. I don't care if 47% of your country strongly opposes Bush.

Real Americans aren't interested in british opinions.

Yup, I agree 100% :hmph:.

The fourth one is much more reasonable, but still sort of dumb. How will an international protest hurt democracy?

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Hahah, it's great to see the usual English stereotype smeared around- bowler hat wearing tea-drinkers talking in Recieved Pronunciation with manky teeth and a football hooligan son.

I mean, we don't talk about Americans as if they're either fatcat businessmen (both in girth and in wallet) or inbred hicks trying to round up cattle.

As uneducated as some of those replies sound, I'm happy to see a sensationalist tabloid like the Guardian getting thoroughly bashed up by incensed citizens of the USA.

Errrrr... Tabloid.... ?!

Sensationalist...... ?!



Those are words I would use to describe the DISGUSTING MIRROR AND SUN! But not the Guardian...


/me Thinks you is confused...


Or my beating last thursday did more than I thought it did....

 

[seinfeldrules]

So you agree 100% that you need not care about international opinion

When it comes to electing my President, yes.

I'd call that a dangerous level of arrogance.

If you were British, wouldnt you claim how arrogant Americans were if we went over there door to door and told them how to vote? We arent the arrogant ones in this situation.

And also... I would appreciate it if you lost the nasty steriotypes about us having bad teeth, drinking tea, having bad food.... etc...

I am sure you hate it when people say all Americans are fat or stupid.... So frankly. Shut it.

I said the part without the insults bud. Although I do think the way overexagerrated stereotypes are often funny, which is exactly what this is. Lighten up.

Oh and if you don't care how you're election fairs the rest of the world..... thats just low and selfish to me.

And if you want to effect an election in another country, that is just low and selfish to me. Do it in your own country.

Have a nice day.

Same to you.

 

[Edcrab]

Ah, good, someone articulate enough to spot my accusations!

Ever since the Guardian's anti-gaming articles I no longer consider them a broadsheet. They're like the Telegraph minus the brain, the Sun minus the topless bimbos. I.e., unworthy of anyone's attention.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

[I don't care about international opinion] when it comes to electing my President, yes.

So, when half the UK says "please don't elect Bush. It will harm our country and our lives," your response is like that of the first quote: "I don't give two shits"?

 

[seinfeldrules]

So, when half the UK says "please don't elect Bush. It will harm our country and affect our lives aversely." Your response is like that of the first quote: "I don't give two shits"?

Yes, I say "I dont give any shit, be it one, two or three. Stay the hell out of my business". It is arrogance at its worst. This isnt the UNSA, it is the USA.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

When it comes to electing my President, yes.


If you were British, wouldnt you claim how arrogant Americans were if we went over there door to door and told them how to vote? We arent the arrogant ones in this situation.


I said the part without the insults bud. Although I do think the way overexagerrated stereotypes are often funny, which is exactly what this is. Lighten up.


And if you want to effect an election in another country, that is just low and selfish to me. Do it in your own country.


Same to you.

I said I did not agree with telling them who to vote for....

It is arrogant. But to not care how the rest of the world is affected by you're decisions in this election is irresponcible... imo



Neway, I was a little angry in my last post sorry. Its just I dunno... seeing you agree with people that openly say those slurs just because they don't the sence to actually give reasons why they are angry.....

Even if you didnt agree with the insults... it still hurt me somehow



I didnt want to start an arguement picking appart each others posts btw. I just wanted to make my opinon known.




Oh and Ebcrab. I dunno... Yes certainly the anti-gaming articles are complete shite.... but they are still about 1000000 x better than the actual tabloids.... I mean, at least they don't print racist under a usual thin mask of "we hate illegal imigrants who steal our jobs" (NOTE: They dont nick our jobs... there arnt that many of them.... and most are decent people anyway)

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Yes, I say "I dont give any shit, be it one, two or three. Stay the hell out of my business".

Since you are very steadfast in that opinion, could you please go on record now by saying:
"I will vote for Bush, even if he hurts half the United Kingdom."

Just cut-and paste that sentence into your next response.

Thanks in advance,

MechaG

 

[Edcrab]

Meh, alright, so maybe the Guardian is at the bottom of the broadsheet pile but not quite tabloid level. Still hate 'em though.

As arrogant as the whole "I don't give a f**k about international opinion" thing must sound, I'd admit to saying something similar if someone told me not to vote for Blair. I still remember what Howard did under Thatcher... :hmph:

Urrgh, not a good mental image there.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Since you are very steadfast in that opinion, could you please go on record now by saying "I will vote for Bush, even if he hurts half the United Kingdom."

How about you go on record as saying "I would rather have Britons elect my PM than Canadians".

"I will vote for Bush and I dont really care what the rest of the world thinks, it is none of their business. Elect your own leaders, leave us to elect ours."

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Meh, alright, so maybe the Guardian is at the bottom of the broadsheet pile but not quite tabloid level. Still hate 'em though.

As arrogant as the whole "I don't give a f**k about international opinion" thing must sound, I'd admit to saying something similar if someone told me not to vote for Blair. I still remember what Howard did under Thatcher... :hmph:

Urrgh, not a good mental image there.

Heheh, I understand completely.

But still, I like the Guardian for the most part



Maybe I will look elsewhere now tho.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

How about you go on record as saying "I would rather have Britons elect my PM than Canadians".

"I will vote for Bush and I dont really care what the rest of the world thinks, it is none of their business. Elect your own leaders, leave us to elect ours."

Why did you dodge the issue? You said you were 100% in support of that opinion. Why do you act ashamed of it?

I will not go on the record as saying "I would rather have Britons elect my PM than Canadians" because I have never supported any position remotely like that.

You, on the other hand, support my quote 100%. Why not say so?
Why did you choose to rephrase it into a rebuttal towards and argument that doesn't exist? Who said Britain was trying to elect your leader for you?

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Seinfeldrules how is it...that people in the US can at one point say "We don't need your help, and we don't care about you" while at the same time, the US is asking for support from British troops in the 'American' zone of Iraq?

Now I said I wouldn't like the US poking around in my business too much...simply because people in the US don't live in my house, and don't know my life and why I make choices. However, these people took it a step too far by saying they don't need, care about, or even want us to exist.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Seinfeldrules how is it...that people in the US can at one point say "We don't need your help, and we don't care about you" while at the same time, the US is asking for support from British troops in the 'American' zone of Iraq?

Now I said I wouldn't like the US poking around in my business too much...simply because people in the US don't live in my house, and don't know my life and why I make choices. However, these people took it a step too far by saying they don't need, care about, or even want us to exist.

Oh I'm not saying I dont care for the British people, quite on the contrary. I am also not saying we dont need your help on most issues. I am saying we dont need your help in electing our leaders. If I felt President Bush was truly going to harm Britain in some way, then I wouldnt vote for him. I dont think this is the case and I feel the President is actually helping to protect your country.

However, these people took it a step too far by saying they don't need, care about, or even want us to exist.

And your people took it too far by proposing exactly what you didnt want when you said this.

Now I said I wouldn't like the US poking around in my business too much...simply because people in the US don't live in my house, and don't know my life and why I make choices.

I cant believe you wouldnt feel the same type of feelings if I came into your house and told you who to vote for PM of GB.

You, on the other hand, support my quote 100%. Why not say so?

Because I am not your monkey and dont do everything you want. I dont agree with what you say and I am not going to say it. Live with it. You have no idea what I think, so dont act like it. You seem pretty offended when I told you what to say, now learn from it.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Don't call them my people...Also that last quote of me is quite clearly misunderstood because I exactly said I wouldn't want people from the US telling me what to do.

Whether Bush is helping the UK is irrelevant, its the point that people are saying they don't care. Obvioulsy you don't fell that way, so don't take it personally what I was saying.

 

[Jakeic]

If I felt President Bush was truly going to harm Britain in some way, then I wouldnt vote for him.

we pulled them into a fiasco in iraq and our economy is affecting theirs.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Don't call them my people...Also that last quote of me is quite clearly misunderstood because I exactly said I wouldn't want people from the US telling me what to do.

Replace your people, with fellow citizens. I'm typing in a rush in between innings. And I guess my quote was misunderstood. I know you dont want people from the US telling you what to do, but imagine how you would feel if they did. Im trying to put it into context.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Yes I understand that, which is why I said I wouldn't like it if people told me what to do, who didn't really understand my circumstances.

 

[seinfeldrules]

we pulled them into a fiasco in iraq and our economy is affecting theirs.

Just as Japan's economy effects theirs, Chinas, the EU and hundreds of other countries. Should they decide who should run those countries as well?

we pulled them into a fiasco in iraq

They arent our puppets, they had the same intel and came to the same conclusions.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Yes I understand that, which is why I said I wouldn't like it if people told me what to do, who didn't really understand my circumstances.

So I guess we agree? Im really confused at what you're getting at. It seems like you are both agreeing and disagreeing with me on the same issue.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Oh well, I got my quote anyways. G'nite!