Don't You Ever Use That Talking Point That Nobody Predicted How Iraq Would Turn Out

[gick]

"Both political parties in the Sates look almost identical from an outsider's point of view. The Democrats have slightly better international relations, but meh."

Emphasis.

Squared.

Cubed.

 

[OCybrManO]

No Limit, I agree with the articles that you post but you have got to quit the "liberals are better" comments. Remember, a lot of liberals voted for this war and some of Bush's failed policies. Don't lose sight of who these people really are, they're politicians!

True that.

Both political parties in the Sates look almost identical from an outsider's point of view. The Democrats have slightly better international relations, but meh.

Emphasis.

Even more emphasis.

As far as convincing people that there are problems: absolutely no one has ever been convinced of anything by having someone call them retarded/crazy/evil and then shove a truckload of guilt and shame in their face.

Ever heard "speak softly and carry a big stick?" It can do wonders. All you have to do is give someone something to think about, without even involving political parties.

Squared.

Cubed.

QtEtTIitOPS (Quoted to Emphasize the Truth Inherent in the Original Poster's Statement)

EDIT: ... and I think Noam Chomsky would agree, too. I'll see if I can dig up a video clip where he said, basically, what satch and kirovman have stated... but in more detail.

 

[Raziaar]

Look what I found!

 

[No Limit]

Yep. There is no middle ground, no shades of grey, just black and white.

No, there isn't. When there is a vote up on the senate floor you have 2 choices; vote yes or no. One of those positions is always better than the other.

Ohh you escaped that deathtrap pretty handedly there, thought for a second you were gonna get pwnt because president cant get elected 3 times.

Yeah, no shit sherlock. All neocons are the exact same, the name on the ballot makes no difference. Voting for Delay or Frist is the exact same as voting for Bush.

 

[No Limit]

GAH! You have a message. The media isn't getting your message across. A member of the media, taken at random is twice as likely as anyone else in America to be liberal. The media is saturated by democrats.

Source?

Visit http://mediamatters.org and then come back to this thread.

 

[Flyingdebris]

No Limit. You win more flies with honey than vinegar. The fact that you take a condescending tone in your writing does nothing to further your goals.

this whole "people need to be educated because they don't know any better" schlock, does not fly. You end up giving the impression that the people who do not agree with you are ignorant or stupid. That is the number 1 way to make people wipe their asses with whatever you have to say.

Furthermore, constant demonization of anything not Democrat will further push away anyone from actually taking you seriously aside from those who whole heartedly agree with you from the get go.

In essesence, you are preaching to the choir, pushing everyone else away, and then complaining about how people are getting pushed away

 

[No Limit]

No Limit. You win more flies with honey than vinegar. The fact that you take a condescending tone in your writing does nothing to further your goals.

this whole "people need to be educated because they don't know any better" schlock, does not fly. You end up giving the impression that the people who do not agree with you are ignorant or stupid. That is the number 1 way to make people wipe their asses with whatever you have to say.

Furthermore, constant demonization of anything not Democrat will further push away anyone from actually taking you seriously aside from those who whole heartedly agree with you from the get go.

In essesence, you are preaching to the choir, pushing everyone else away, and then complaining about how people are getting pushed away

I would agree with you if people actually tried to debate facts with me. Every thread I start turns into this exact discussion. I post about the rationale for war, nobody addresses the actual topic. I post about runaway corporation profit nobody addresses the actual topic. I post about Bush taking wage protection from hurricane relief nobody addresses the actual topic. It is my job to sound like I know more than Republicans because I feel I do. If you feel this is not the case you are free to challange me with every post you make. For some stupid ****ing reason nobody wants to do this, they just post a bunch of bullshit about how condescending I am. I admit, and I have repeated this 10 times now, I don't always have a cool head because of the bullshit that goes on here. But can you honestly blame me? I can't even have a decent discussion with anyone around here anymore as nobody is willing to address any of my topics. I have asked people that I respect around here after they attacked me to participate in those discussions, not a single ****ing one did after they said they would. You seem like a good guy, but have you ever actually participated in my discussions? No.

 

[Direwolf]

Probably has something to do with the fact that everyone's had these discussions on the internet a few hundred times before. We've come to whatever conclusions we're going to arrive at. And all the discussions ever end up with anyway are either you and gh0st fighting or people comparing each others to Hitler/Stalin/John Wayne/Richard Simmons.

For instance: this thread is just a giant "nyah nyah I told you so" towards people who supported the war. Theres not really anywhere to go with it.

 

[CptStern]

wow never thought I'd hear Hitler spoken in the same sentence as Richard Simmons ..Hitler wasnt that evil :O



ok we need to move on. People have made their point and now it's time to address the actual topic of this thread

 

[No Limit]

Probably has something to do with the fact that everyone's had these discussions on the internet a few hundred times before. We've come to whatever conclusions we're going to arrive at. And all the discussions ever end up with anyway are either you and gh0st fighting or people comparing each others to Hitler/Stalin/John Wayne/Richard Simmons.

For instance: this thread is just a giant "nyah nyah I told you so" towards people who supported the war. Theres not really anywhere to go with it.

But again, that is not true. Yes, people have come to their conclusions but those conclusions, in my opinion, are completely wrong. This is why I post these things. People like ghost I don't give a shit about. However, there are people I consider respectable that still believe lies and they continue repeating them. I will keep posting these types of posts but I am so sick of you and others pointing out how partisan I am in everyone of them. I have nothing against you nor anyone here personally, however, please do us all a favor and address the actual topic; leave me out of it.

 

[Flyingdebris]

I will post on stuff i know about. I will avoid trying to get worked up in a debate where I don't know the facts.

Something to note is that I don't know about anyone else here, but I absolutely hate ending up in discussion/arguments that turn into massive quote orgies where someone makes a large statement, then someone else dissects the statement into a crapload of quotes, and refutes each one. Then the first person goes back and counter refutes each of his own quotes, then makes another statement. Then all of that gets quoted again and counter counter refuted. And people end up quoting the hell out of each other's posts. Ahhh! Its unpleasant.

 

[spookymooky]

Source?

Visit http://mediamatters.org and then come back to this thread.

My government textbook > Your crappy website

 

[Llama]

Despite the fact the debate is about exactly how crap, useless and lying your so called "goverment" textbook is?

 

[No Limit]

My government textbook > Your crappy website

Your government textbook claims the media in this country is liberal? Please, point me to this book; I am dying to see it.

As for your crappy web site comment, disprove a single thing on that site, I dare you.

 

[Neo101]

911 was a lie

 

[Sulkdodds]

lol @ troll

EDIT: Eeeeyyy, that rhymes.

 

[Raziaar]

Conspiracy theorists give you a crazy unpredictable high...

Cause they're usually full of shit.

 

[No Limit]

Conspiracy theorists give you a crazy unpredictable high...

Cause they're usually full of shit.

Raziaar, you still around? You keep quoting me in your sig, you keep insulting me, yet you haven't been back in the last 2 discussions we had. What's up with that? You still can't defend why you support Bush? Are there not enough talking points out there for you to use?

 

[Raziaar]

Raziaar, you still around? You keep quoting me in your sig, you keep insulting me, yet you haven't been back in the last 2 discussions we had. What's up with that? You still can't defend why you support Bush? Are there not enough talking points out there for you to use?

Playing games... civ 4...

Oh and um, X3: Reunion... CptStern knows alot about that... huh Stern? <winks at CptStern>

Anyways, my time has been funnelled elsewhere... lotta personal stuff going on for me, and when I get around to being online, I don't spend all my time in the politics forum. It's usually just to post a snide remark here or there.

I don't spend all my time here in the politics forum either when i'm on these boards. Its generally off topic, and general games. I can't even keep up with all the new threads being made in Politics. Seems like there's 10 a day all about bush, or the "sucky ass united states". Heh. And really, i'm quite tired of it... i'd rather focus any of my effort on 'different' aspects of politics, rather than have two parties bitch about the same ones over and over again.

EDIT: Oh and uhhh, I didn't quote you in this latest one. I just made a lame little image. I laughed at it though, but thats just me making myself laugh :-P

 

[No Limit]

I don't have a problem with the image, cleaver on your part and I even liked it. The problem I have is that you are so obsessed with me that you will devote half your sig to my name yet you will never finish a discussion we start; such as this one:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1651873&postcount=40

Please do get to it when you get a chance.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Hey, I've got RJMC in my sig but I'm not obsessed with him...

...OR AM I? :naughty:

 

[Raziaar]

I don't have a problem with the image, cleaver on your part and I even liked it. The problem I have is that you are so obsessed with me that you will devote half your sig to my name yet you will never finish a discussion we start; such as this one:

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1651873&postcount=40

Please do get to it when you get a chance.

answered. now, satisfied? Why do I somehow sense you'll say no? I mean, unless I agree wholely to everything you preach.

 

[bliink]

This has certainly derailed far enough.