doom3 is weird

[pixartist]

I recently heard that the continent with the most murders per capita was Africa, and they're not nearly into video games the way America, Europe, and Asia are.

come on...there are civil wars in africa! you cannot count that!

 

[ACLeroK212]

come on...there are civil wars in africa! you cannot count that!

well if your so against violent video games and just promoting violence to children and society in general then how can you believe killing people in a war is any more justified than any other kind of killing? either way these people are being murdered.

it's not the video games that are the problem, it's the societies in which these killings are occuring in.

 

[Direwolf]

Yeah, I'm sure DOOMIII is gonna be the game that pushes everyone over the edge.
I actually think we're safer now that its out, since there won't be any roaming mobs looting and setting fire to stores because it got delayed again.

 

[Deadline]

Yea... doom 3 has yet to really impress me... *shrugs* Ok yea, so I have jumped alot, nothing real scary. Eh I didnt finish the game yet so this isnt my final opinion.

 

[pixartist]

well if your so against violent video games and just promoting violence to children and society in general then how can you believe killing people in a war is any more justified than any other kind of killing? either way these people are being murdered.

it's not the video games that are the problem, it's the societies in which these killings are occuring in.

okok i will rephrase:
IF games like Doom 3 are BANNED in a country there is a slightly lower chance that massacres like columbine or erfurt happen.
is that right?

 

[vetebulle]

ok ill make a list and you can state if you agree:
1. Doom 3 is EXTREMLY violent ( Reason: VERY much blood(not only from the monsters u shoot), human like enemys as well as monsters - all this with very realistic graphics, later in hell you can see masses of crazy deformed faces - yes thats a sort of violence too, enemy like little flying kids which you can shoot so they will scream like babys aswell,...much much more)
2. Violent games make you used to violence and less sensitive
3. Violent games CAN inspire people in a negative way (massacres...)
4. Doom 3 gets very boring after some time because it's all the time nothing but the same procedure ( shoot, turn, shoot, run, shoot, turn, shoot, run...)
5. This storyless killing can give naive people the feeling that killing is very normal and you can solve your problems by using violence...(subconscious)

btw: im SURE the game will be censored in germany and i believe it will be completly banned! (not many games are comp. banned ...)

You are so full of bull I don't know where to begin.

"Doom 3 is EXTREMLY violent ( Reason: VERY much blood(not only from the monsters u shoot), human like enemys as well as monsters - all this with very realistic graphics, later in hell you can see masses of crazy deformed faces - yes thats a sort of violence too, enemy like little flying kids which you can shoot so they will scream like babys aswell,...much much more)"

So if it were up to you all games and movies would consist of nothing but tea parties and bickering? Grow up dude, no ones is forcing you to play the game, so please stop enforcing your censorship on other people.

"2. Violent games make you used to violence and less sensitive"

So far I haven't seen a single scientific study that has actually come to the conclusion that violent games has that affect. As such, your statement is null. Unless you can back these things up with solid proof, I'll assume you're pulling all of this out of your ass.

"3. Violent games CAN inspire people in a negative way (massacres...)"

So can books, magazines, music, heck, I bet somewhere in this world there's some guy who'd flip and go crazy just because he saw a teddybear... do you want to ban all that too?

"4. Doom 3 gets very boring after some time because it's all the time nothing but the same procedure ( shoot, turn, shoot, run, shoot, turn, shoot, run...)"

Oh, so now you want to ban Doom 3 because it's boring?

"5. This storyless killing can give naive people the feeling that killing is very normal and you can solve your problems by using violence...(subconscious)"

Once again you seem to just make things up as they go. Just about every statement you've made here sounds like they've been copied from some propagandist schoolbook used by the government to scare away people from the "dangers" of being exposed to violence. I know how the climate is in Germany, they have to wait for special localized editions where humans have been remodelled to zombies or robots, and the blood is green instead of red. What a way to ruin a nice game.

It's the responsibility of the parents that is lacking. I mean, people go all "omg he just ran in and peppered them all with this machine gun, I bet he was inspired by some game". Hello? Shouldn't the fact that he got his hands on a gun be more worrying than the fact that he had played a game?

No, censorship doesn't solve this. There will always be nutjobs out there, and wether they get their inspiration from books or cracked teacups doesn't matter. They need help, not frickin' censorship.

 

[ACLeroK212]

okok i will rephrase:
IF games like Doom 3 are BANNED in a country there is a slightly lower chance that massacres like columbine or erfurt happen.
is that right?

That's pure speculation though. It can be argued that the kind of kid that finds it ok to kill people like that would have probably found some other type of violent outlet to influence their behavior had video games not been available to them. I don't think violent video games create violent people, rather violent people are just more attracted to violent video games than the average consumer. Either way these people are screwed up, but whether or not video games are the cause is complete speculation.

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

okok i will rephrase:
IF games like Doom 3 are BANNED in a country there is a slightly lower chance that massacres like columbine or erfurt happen.
is that right?

No.

because if those same mentally ill people don't have those games to play then they'll just replace it with something else.

 

[DigiQ8]

Doom 3 is scary and brutal? The only thing I've found brutal in D3 is the chainsaw. Infact, D3 has less blood/gibs than Quake 3..

Hasn't been scary for me yet. Made me jump a few times, but it hasn't been scary.

same, its not that scary =\
when i read people reviews here about doom 3 , i thought im will need many pants ,but the game is'nt scary

 

[Alsi]

Doom 3 is already rated "USK18" in Germany - that means no "kiddie" will be allowed to buy it.
Even if it was banned in germany, the internet provides many sources if you want to play it So the only instance who is really in control are the parents.

In my opinion, people over the age of 18 can tell the difference between reality and games. And no healthy adult would go kill people because of a game. And only excessive playing would cause a change in a childs behaviour. So again, parents are responsible for their kids (that they don't play games, that are not for their age - and if they play games, that it won't be all day long).

The Massacre in Erfurt was really horrible, but it had nothing to do with violent games. This guy was in a gun-club (schützenverein - don't know the exact translation) and legally bought REAL guns. THAT was the problem(and his social-life/education). If he had not possed these guns, what had he done? Go to school and point with his mouse and say "bam, bam, bam"...

Blaming Games, Movies and Music is faaaaaaaar to easy.

 

[-TaNaKa-]

What in gods sake are u guys talking about? Even willing to discuss this is like ..... omg. Germany is the last country where they would ban a game lol. Gaming is so popular there, like they ever would do that.

Jezus, this thread starter ..... bleh i dont like to flame.

 

[Dalamari]

What in gods sake are u guys talking about? Even willing to discuss this is like ..... omg. Germany is the last country where they would ban a game lol. Gaming is so popular there, like they ever would do that.

Jezus, this thread starter ..... bleh i dont like to flame.

Are we talking about the same Germany here? The one that replaced human grunts with robots? I think this would be top on their list to ban.

 

[ACLeroK212]

What in gods sake are u guys talking about? Even willing to discuss this is like ..... omg. Germany is the last country where they would ban a game lol. Gaming is so popular there, like they ever would do that.

Jezus, this thread starter ..... bleh i dont like to flame.

Germany has much more strict censorship policies than other countries known to support the gaming industry. Heck, in the original Half-life they had to replace the marines and whatnot with robots because germany does ban games where violonce against other people is overly expressed.

 

[Direwolf]

Actually, Germany has had a long history or trying to keep certain games off the shelves, or at least until they've been altered. (HL had no marines, just robots)
So its not so farfetched.
I'd also suppose that the banning of all violent media would probably increase violence, since many people would lose their socially acceptable outlet for it.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

You know...Bad influences aren't so obvious, just because a game is filled with gruesome killing doesn't mean you will go out and kill someone. You don't have to be mentally unstable (Where ever the line is) to succumb to to the influence of a game. If you are exposed to killing and violence(Be it real or fake) thorughout your life, you cannot say that will not have some kind of negative effect on you. Who knows, you may be a little short tempered, you may want to kill people, you could feel unhappy for what seems like no obvious or you might just be a little slow at certain things. Negative effects don't always translate directly across as what you might think, and nothing like a violent coputer game can be said to have no effect on a persons thinking. Often the changes are so gradual that we simpyl don't notice.

 

[Direwolf]

Having a bad experience in life is still about ten thousand times more effective at influencing people anyway.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

But that really doesn't have anything to do with anything and its detracting from the whole point of, games can have a negative influence. (Yes they have positive influences, but its about weighing it up for yourself)

 

[pixartist]

You are so full of bull I don't know where to begin.

"Doom 3 is EXTREMLY violent ( Reason: VERY much blood(not only from the monsters u shoot), human like enemys as well as monsters - all this with very realistic graphics, later in hell you can see masses of crazy deformed faces - yes thats a sort of violence too, enemy like little flying kids which you can shoot so they will scream like babys aswell,...much much more)"

So if it were up to you all games and movies would consist of nothing but tea parties and bickering? Grow up dude, no ones is forcing you to play the game, so please stop enforcing your censorship on other people.

ehm in which way are you invalidating my point here? you do nothing else than flaming me because i don't like to kill kids with a saw...you think you are an adult when you are "hard" enough to watch this...

"2. Violent games make you used to violence and less sensitive"

So far I haven't seen a single scientific study that has actually come to the conclusion that violent games has that affect. As such, your statement is null. Unless you can back these things up with solid proof, I'll assume you're pulling all of this out of your ass.

if u talk on with me like this ill pull ur nuts out of your ass. i cannot prove this because i don't have an official statistic. If you had some common sense you would know that this is a fact...

"3. Violent games CAN inspire people in a negative way (massacres...)"

So can books, magazines, music, heck, I bet somewhere in this world there's some guy who'd flip and go crazy just because he saw a teddybear... do you want to ban all that too?

are you stupid? don't you think the risk is a bit higher with such a game as with a teddybear...

"4. Doom 3 gets very boring after some time because it's all the time nothing but the same procedure ( shoot, turn, shoot, run, shoot, turn, shoot, run...)"

Oh, so now you want to ban Doom 3 because it's boring?

no :E i just wanted to say that

"5. This storyless killing can give naive people the feeling that killing is very normal and you can solve your problems by using violence...(subconscious)"

Once again you seem to just make things up as they go. Just about every statement you've made here sounds like they've been copied from some propagandist schoolbook used by the government to scare away people from the "dangers" of being exposed to violence. I know how the climate is in Germany, they have to wait for special localized editions where humans have been remodelled to zombies or robots, and the blood is green instead of red. What a way to ruin a nice game.

and again your comment missed the point...


edit: I DON'T blame the gaming industrie! Most games have the right to exist, but parents with mentally instable kids or youths should keep them away from violence! I DON'T say that counter-strike or whatelse was responsible for this massacre! i just think , that people with a tendency to do such things (because auf social/mental problems) CAN be inspired by these games!

 

[FoB_Ed]

well you know, I like the violence in Doom 3. It caters to my primal instincts. Video games are the only place you can let that run free.

yes thats a sort of violence too, enemy like little flying kids which you can shoot so they will scream like babys aswell,...much much more)"

Yep, those were the most annoying enemies too. I cant stand babies IRL, and Doom 3 is the only place I can kill Demon Babies, so stfu. Doom 3 is a God-send. You get to be the savior of the world, how can that be an evil game?

 

[Alsi]

Are we talking about the same Germany here? The one that replaced human grunts with robots? I think this would be top on their list to ban.

since those days, laws have changed.
Formerly, there was no rating system for games like for movies(that are not censored or banned for >18), just a sticker with a "suggestion".
And all games that were what you call "mature" got banned or censored.
Since then the demmand for games, rated >18 has increased i guess

NOW, games are clearly rated and not censored or banned anymore
(except for some celtic symbols and other things, that a well know german dictator used)

please correct me, if i'm wrong :dozey:

 

[Shuzer]

edit: I DON'T blame the gaming industrie! Most games have the right to exist, but parents with mentally instable kids or youths should keep them away from violence! I DON'T say that counter-strike or whatelse was responsible for this massacre! i just think , that people with a tendency to do such things (because auf social/mental problems) CAN be inspired by these games!

There. You answered your own thread.

It's the PARENTS responsibility to keep their mentally unstable/ill child away from violent games such as D3. Not the government.

 

[Sui]

ive only watched a few videos of doom3, and i was kinda on edge all that time. i havent played doom3, but to me it looks ****ing scary. Trust me, if I played this game, I would be scared...

still not sure about buying it or not. i have £200 - £250 (yay for birthdays ) so i could easily buy it. dunno whether i want to sleep at night or not though...

*edit* btw im downloading 500mb of doom 3 videos from fileplanet

 

[DarkStar]

Dude.....Suicide.....buy the game. It's very awesome.

I actually almost just shat myself playing Doom 3. I always thought the game paused when reading PDA's.....I was wrong. I was listening to an audio log and was a little on edge because the dude was talking about satanic voices when suddenly the audio cuts out and the entire PDA jerks forward! I almost fell out of my chair before spinning around and blowing the brain out the back of a zombie's head.

I love this game.

 

[Xenome]

A healthy, normal average person knows the difference between reality and fiction, however some instable persons can't, and they are inspired by games/movies/books to kill..

It's been like that for years.. so why are you only talking about games?
MOVIES AND BOOKS DO THE SAME THING!

It's the person's fault, they do it, because they don't have a good background, are depressed, instable, etc..

Don't jjust blame the game/movie/book, there are alot more factors important in the life of a person 'inspired' by this form of entertainment

 

[Gossoon]

Maybe Germans are just more sensitive to this sort of thing due to their embarassment over their history...

 

[JonTheCanuck]

i had a friend who played quake wayyyy to much. what he ended up doing was kidnapping kids from the school, and built a big arena in his backyard, he then gave all the children weapons and forced them to have deathmatches with eachother until a champion was crowned. It was terrible.... videogames r a poison to society!

 

[pixartist]

There. You answered your own thread.

It's the PARENTS responsibility to keep their mentally unstable/ill child away from violent games such as D3. Not the government.

okok it was a misunderstanding!
i just wanted to ADMIT that games can have unforseen consequences when played too much or by instable personalities! I REALLY dont wanna blame the games! I'm pretty sure that watching cnn can do the same! And i wanted to say that I! think, that doom3 is way to violent! (for me!) i just do not think that games like doom3 are NEEDED! ID could have made something less violent instead!
other people can have another opinion of course...

 

[kidrock450]

If you had some culture, you would know that there was a school shooting in Germany caple of years ago ,just like Columbine.

There are school schools everyware..

 

[DarkStar]

There are school schools everyware..

Kidrock.....my God. You know there is an edit button right?