Double-standards in racist attacks

[repiV]

Clicky

I've got little to add, really. It speaks for itself.

Only - why is it always and only white people that get blamed for racism, when there are far more racist attacks against whites than by whites?

 

[Nemesis6]

Simple - because a lot of times when black people do something terrible, it is covered up because racists will use it to stereotype further. What the media doesn't realize is that these people are retards and that noone cares they think anyway.

 

[repiV]

Simple - because a lot of times when black people do something terrible, it is covered up because racists will use it to stereotype further. What the media doesn't realize is that these people are retards and that noone cares they think anyway.

There's a fundamental and deeply ironic issue here - that the media reporting is institutionally racist against whites.

 

[Kyorisu]

Luckily we don't have this shit in Au... oh wait never mind. **** the media.

 

[2real]

white people took away my baby

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Black people took away my freedomz.


On topic: Al Sharpton/ Jesse Jackson. I need not say anything more for their actions speak for themselves.

 

[Kyorisu]

white people took away my baby

Black people took my car tyres, at least I think they where black it was too dark to see them.

 

[Nemesis6]

They really only have two options: Don't report racist incidents at all, or just mention it when the culprits are black. The first one would mean less money for them, the second one would break political correctness, and would most likely get them sued for God knows what reason the apologists will pull out of the hat.

It really is astounding that news companies who are supposed to enlighten people and brighten their perspectives can't understand that racist ****tards don't need to shielded from such news, it won't make them act any less retarded. Then there's this stupid argument that "oh if we do that it could lead to violence", mostly followed by "it just isn't worth it". For obvious ethical reasons, both are, well, horse shit.

 

[CptStern]

this article is a an example of double standard? how is the assault and the remarks by imus at all related? this really is stretching it, the only reason why it made headline news was because it was don imus ..anyone else and it would have been buried near the obituaries ..now had the girl been lindsey lohan the shit would have hit the proverbial fan

and there is no double standard in journalism ..but if there was I'm sure you'd all point it out when a black person is judged harsher than a white person ...................right?

 

[repiV]

They really only have two options: Don't report racist incidents at all, or just mention it when the culprits are black. The first one would mean less money for them, the second one would break political correctness, and would most likely get them sued for God knows what reason the apologists will pull out of the hat.

It really is astounding that news companies who are supposed to enlighten people and brighten their perspectives can't understand that racist ****tards don't need to shielded from such news, it won't make them act any less retarded. Then there's this stupid argument that "oh if we do that it could lead to violence", mostly followed by "it just isn't worth it". For obvious ethical reasons, both are, well, horse shit.

I'm just tired of the white man being the scapegoat for everything that's wrong with the world. And if you dare to even suggest that, well actually, the real racism going on here is against white people, you must be a racist. It's bullshit.

You should read some more Fred.

 

[repiV]

this article is a an example of double standard? how is the assault and the remarks by imus at all related? this really is stretching it, the only reason why it made headline news was because it was don imus ..anyone else and it would have been buried near the obituaries ..now had the girl been lindsey lohan the shit would have hit the proverbial fan

and there is no double standard in journalism ..but if there was I'm sure you'd all point it out when a black person is judged harsher than a white person ...................right?

The point is that they aren't being brought up on race hate laws, yet if it was nine white kids and a black woman they would be and it would also be all over the news.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Black people took my car tyres, at least I think they where black it was too dark to see them.

Couldn't help mah self.

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20512&stc=1&d=1197340830

 

[CptStern]

The point is that they aren't being brought up on race hate laws, yet if it was nine white kids and a black woman they would be and it would also be all over the news.

was it a hate crime? wouldnt the crown prosecution/police determine that? was there enough evidence to support that? we dont know the entire story here, we're just going by some guy who looks like he just stepped out of the irish rovers ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_EPsuOEH1fY

... angrily complaining the Imus didnt deserve what he got

 

[Kyorisu]

Yeah they could have just been sexist.

 

[CptStern]

or ****ing stupid? assholes? maybe they hated her hair colour, maybe her father is a dentist and they're all anti-dentites

 

[repiV]

or ****ing stupid? assholes? maybe they hated her hair colour, maybe her father is a dentist and they're all anti-dentites

And how likely is that?

If this was an isolated incident, you'd have a point. But it isn't. Hate crimes only apply when white people are the perpetrators.

 

[CptStern]

And how likely is that?

If this was an isolated incident, you'd have a point. But it isn't. Hate crimes only apply when white people are the perpetrators.

please provide evidence/source..and while we're at it, this too:

there are far more racist attacks against whites than by whites

btw I thought you said this story was ignored by the media?

http://www.abc2news.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=0e037046-9db7-4dad-836f-2d721c3e8c41
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/us/08brfs-ATTACKINVEST_BRF.html?ref=us
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Sarah+Kreager
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/lo...08,0,5111771.story?coll=sfla-newsnation-front
http://wjz.com/local/sarah.kreager.baltimore.2.607994.html
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/14816907/detail.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/lo...c07,0,4653017.story?coll=bal-utility-football
http://www.examiner.com/a-1093602~Bus_beating_victim_denies_provoking_students.html
http://www.thonline.com/store/view.cfm?id=JiZNUz7A1VTl9LCgz3Dz3D
http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/dec/08/bus-beating-hate-crime/
http://www.dailytimesonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071208/NEWS01/712080334/1002

 

[Kyorisu]

or ****ing stupid? assholes? maybe they hated her hair colour, maybe her father is a dentist and they're all anti-dentites

I think ass holes covers it nicely.

 

[repiV]

please provide evidence/source..and while we're at it, this too:

The first one...you read the news. Draw your own conclusions. And read some Fred.

For the black on black and black on white crime, from the horse's mouth itself: Clicky

 

[CptStern]

The first one...you read the news.

buddy from the irish rovers isnt the news

Draw your own conclusions.

I would if I was presened something resembling the facts ..in fact many of the links I provided not only say they may be charged with hate crimes and the oter says she may have provoked them

And read some Fred.

no thanks, the guy is a nut:

I was traveling in China when pictures of the looters in New Orleans began to appear on CNN. They were black of course. Looting and raping and burning are what blacks do when the lid loosens. Yes, I could phrase this more cautiously: These things are what some blacks, etc. or, more cutely, not all blacks are looters, but all looters….blah blah.

Yet it happens time and again.

dont forget kiddies, black people steal. white people find

For the black on black and black on white crime, from the horse's mouth itself: Clicky

are you serious? I ask you for evidence whites are attacked in race crimes more than blacks and you give me ..what exactly? evidence of black on black crime? evidence that blacks kill whites? evidence that:

Although slightly less true now than before, most murders are intraracial
From 1976 to 2005 --

86% of white victims were killed by whites
94% of black victims were killed by blacks

where does it say "there are far more racist attacks against whites than by whites"?

 

[repiV]

where does it say "there are far more racist attacks against whites than by whites"?

Try reading the whole page?

 

[CptStern]

I did, where exactly?

 

[repiV]

no thanks, the guy is a nut:

Right, the guy is a nut. Because of one fairly innocuous thing he said. He speaks a ****load of sense on many issues, and having lived in the American South throughout the civil rights movement, both before and after, he knows a hell of a lot more about racial issues than either you or me.

But you know what, forget it. It's a waste of time speaking with you because you'll only ever believe what you want to believe, no matter how much evidence suggests the contrary. You won't even entertain a person who detests the way America is going just the same as you do and lambasts Christianity...just because he doesn't regurgitate the same old shit.

 

[repiV]

I did, where exactly

Try the graph showing twice as many (at least) murders of whites by blacks as the other way around.

 

[CptStern]

and? what does that prove? are you saying they're all racially motivated? you seem to think they are because:

there are far more racist attacks against whites than by whites

...source please

Right, the guy is a nut. Because of one fairly innocuous thing he said. He speaks a ****load of sense on many issues, and having lived in the American South throughout the civil rights movement, both before and after, he knows a hell of a lot more about racial issues than either you or me.

and? Im sure there's plenty of Klansman who lived through the civil rights movement ..what does that prove? we have black people too you know

But you know what, forget it. It's a waste of time speaking with you because you'll only ever believe what you want to believe, no matter how much evidence suggests the contrary.

right, sounds like a cop out because I tore apart your argument in this thread ..look if there were bias I would have agreed however IN THIS PARTICULAR case there doesnt appear to be atm ..the fact that you picked some borderline racist ramblings on some blpg doesnt help your claim's credibility

 

[soulslicer]

Luckily we don't have this shit in Au... oh wait never mind. **** the media.

You sure. Read the story about how an aborigine girl was raped and the judge failed to give them decent sentences such that it exploded into an outrage of racism? Read your news

 

[repiV]

and? what does that prove? are you saying they're all racially motivated? you seem to think they are because:

...source please

The vast majority were committed against strangers, of course they're racially motivated. Especially given the segregated nature of American society. Claiming otherwise is just clutching at straws.

and? Im sure there's plenty of Klansman who lived through the civil rights movement ..what does that prove? we have black people too you know



right, sounds like a cop out because I tore apart your argument in this thread ..look if there were bias I would have agreed however IN THIS PARTICULAR case there doesnt appear to be atm ..the fact that you picked some borderline racist ramblings on some blpg doesnt help your claim's credibility

You haven't torn apart shit. All you've done is deny the evidence of something that pretty much everyone secretly realises is true and claim that someone is a borderline racist because you don't like what they have to say.
Here's an article of his on global economics. Guy's a freaking genius, and an insightful one at that, for most geniuses are idiots. If you aren't willing to give someone the time of day because they don't espouse left-wing talking points, that's your problem and yours alone.

 

[Eejit]

Well at least we don't have very much racial hatred in Northern Ireland.

 

[Absinthe]

Ignoring this specific article for a moment, I think it's undeniable that double standards in regards to racism are quite prevalent in this county, or at least in the media.

Were these kids motivated by racial hatred? I certainly think it plays a part. But it could have been for money, or maybe even the sheer "fun" of it. The point is that such motivations are often discussed or second-guessed. Such incidents are usually attributed more to societal or economic problems.

White on black crime? Racism. Without a doubt. Few people even think twice about it. It's like an automatic response that's been conditioned into people because of the fear of being seen as prejudiced.

 

[CptStern]

The vast majority were committed against strangers, of course they're racially motivated.

source please ..how can you possibly know that race was the motivation? you're shooting in the dark in the room the size of a football stadium at a target 1mm in diametre ..facing the wrong way, with a blindfold on and white noise to mask the sound of your own footsteps preventing you from knowing which was up down sideways etc

Especially given the segregated nature of American society. Claiming otherwise is just clutching at straws.

so let me get this straight ...you say that all white on black and black on white crime is racially motivated as evidenced by the fact that the US is segregated? ...that's one hell of an illogical leap of faith ..and you say I'm the one clutching at straws, lol

You haven't torn apart shit. All you've done is deny the evidence

WHAT EVIDENCE??? it was an opinion piece that didnt even go into specifics of the case ..every single one of your points was supported by nothing more than conjecture

of something that pretty much everyone secretly realises is true and claim that someone is a borderline racist because you don't like what they have to say.

the guy is racist ..read his ****ing blog, every other article is about blacks. If he isnt writing in defence of James Watson he's openly advocating segregation or claiming blacks are animals who without the rule of law REVERT to a perpetual state of barbarism .the quote I used was found in a few minutes ..everything he says plays out exactly the same way

Here's an article of his on global economics. Guy's a freaking genius, and an insightful one at that, for most geniuses are idiots. If you aren't willing to give someone the time of day because they don't espouse left-wing talking points, that's your problem and yours alone.

? the guys a ****ing nut:

Another element of Half-Assedness is, depending on your politics, cultural or inherent, but unmistakable. Some populations just aren?t very bright, or at any rate don?t seem to be. Sub-Saharan Africa, though rich in resources, is pea-turkey poor and not improving. Arab countries, even when awash in oil money, do not establish First World societies that could survive without oil. In South America the white countries, such as Chile and Argentina, could be in Europe. The highly Indian countries, as for example Bolivia and Peru, would be basket cases if they could afford the basket.

Suspected Economic Law: The more European or East Asian blood, the more money.

but that's not surprising that you would support such idiotic and childish ideology .. you're one step from advocating eugenics, probably stems from an irrational fear of becoming a world of mud coloured people

 

[repiV]

source please ..how can you possibly know that race was the motivation? you're shooting in the dark in the room the size of a football stadium at a target 1mm in diametre ..facing the wrong way, with a blindfold on and white noise to mask the sound of your own footsteps preventing you from knowing which was up down sideways etc

What other motivation could there possibly be for nine black kids assaulting a random white woman on a bus because she dared to sit down? Gimme a break.

so let me get this straight ...you say that all white on black and black on white crime is racially motivated as evidenced by the fact that the US is segregated? ...that's one hell of an illogical leap of faith ..and you say I'm the one clutching at straws, lol

Not all, but certainly the majority of murders. You certainly don't have a leg to stand on trying to claim that whites commit more racially motivated murders than blacks, when blacks commit over twice as many murders against whites total. The statistical likelihood is pretty much nil.

WHAT EVIDENCE??? it was an opinion piece that didnt even go into specifics of the case ..every single one of your points was supported by nothing more than conjecture

I was talking about the US justice department statistics.

the guy is racist ..read his ****ing blog, every other article is about blacks. If he isnt writing in defence of James Watson he's openly advocating segregation or claiming blacks are animals who without the rule of law REVERT to a perpetual state of barbarism .the quote I used was found in a few minutes ..everything he says plays out exactly the same way


? the guys a ****ing nut:


but that's not surprising that you would support such idiotic and childish ideology .. you're one step from advocating eugenics, probably stems from an irrational fear of becoming a world of mud coloured people

It's not idiotic or childish. You might not like it, but it's true. As a rule, European and East Asian-based countries are successful - others are not. There are very few exceptions.
He drew no conclusions of the causes either way, he just pointed out the facts. Arab and African countries are overwhelmingly poor and stupid.
What's idiotic and childish is denying these facts because you're uncomfortable with them, or playing the racist card. Ignoring reality in favour of political correctness - now that's childish. As is ignoring the vast majority of the article which has nothing whatsoever to do with race.

Also, your tiresome attempts at labelling me as a Nazi are wearing very thin indeed. I'm dating a black girl, one of my best friends is Sri Lankan and the other is gay. Stick to the ****ing issues for once.

 

[CptStern]

What other motivation could there possibly be for nine black kids assaulting a random white woman on a bus? Gimme a break.

nice try at avoiding the question. We were talking about the FBI stats link you provided, dont play dumb

Not all, but certainly the majority of murders.

look most times I respect your opinion to an extent but in this instance you're acting competely irrational ..you cannot possibly stand and there and tell me with a straight face that you know for a fact that most murders are racially motivated ..why isnt there anything that backs up your statement? there's on average 15,000 murders in the US ..are you saying more than half are race related? well that doesnt jive because 70% of murders are committed by people the victem knew ..are you suggesting spouses kill each other based on race? that fathers, mothers brothers and sisters that kill each other were motivcated by race? that's completely ludicrous

I was talking about the US justice department statistics.

no you were misindentifying information, twisting to mean something else and using it as if it were fact, which it isnt, at least not supported by any US stats you provided

It's not idiotic or childish. You might not like it, but it's true. As a rule, European and East Asian-based countries are successful - others are not.

and that is exclusively due to skin colour? you're out of your mind

There are very few exceptions.
He drew no conclusions of the causes either way, he just pointed out the facts. Arab and African countries are overwhelmingly poor and stupid.

and economics have nothing to do with ..Fred gives his economic opinion, but doesnt actually use economics ..he's obviously a genius or an idiot

What's idiotic and childish is denying these facts because you're uncomfortable with them. Overlaying reality with political correctness - now that's childish.

I'm not uncomfortable with it, dont assume you know jack shit about me because you dont ..I just see right through bullshit oversimplification and twisting of information to suit an agenda

 

[repiV]

nice try at avoiding the question. We were talking about the FBI stats link you provided, dont play dumb

Ok, whatever you say...

look most times I respect your opinion to an extent but in this instance you're acting competely irrational ..you cannot possibly stand and there and tell me with a straight face that you know for a fact that most murders are racially motivated ..why isnt there anything that backs up your statement? there's on average 15,000 murders in the US ..are you saying more than half are race related? well that doesnt jive because 70% of murders are committed by people the victem knew ..are you suggesting spouses kill each other based on race? that fathers, mothers brothers and sisters that kill each other were motivcated by race? that's completely ludicrous

I didn't say "most murders are racially motivated". I said most inter-racial murders where the victim was a stranger are racially motivated. As you've quite rightly pointed out, most victims are killed by people they know - clearly some motivation must exist, like hatred.
What other motivations are there besides racial hatred to kill a complete stranger of another race? Very few.
I also said that it's pretty much statistically impossible, given the overall murder stats, for whites to be committing more racially motivated murders than blacks. When you consider that there are vastly more whites than blacks in the US, the figures are even more damning.
Also, what Absinthe said.

no you were misindentifying information, twisting to mean something else and using it as if it were fact, which it isnt, at least not supported by any US stats you provided

Fact and a little common sense.

and that is exclusively due to skin colour? you're out of your mind

Where did I say that?
Like I said, he simply pointed out that nations are generally more successful the more European or East Asian blood they have. This is undoubtedly true.
He does not draw any conclusions as to WHY that is. Now that actually is an interesting question.
Calling him a racist just makes you look like a foaming-at-the-mouth reactionary. He's controversial, sure, but there's nothing wrong with that in a world where the "truth" goes through ten layers of filtering before anyone gets to hear about it.
Have you ever considered that some of us are tired of all the real racism directed against white people, usually by other white people - and would like to set the record straight? Nobody is ever outraged about that.

and economics have nothing to do with ..Fred gives his economic opinion, but doesnt actually use economics ..he's obviously a genius or an idiot

He gives some extremely sound reasons as to why poor countries are poor and rich countries are rich. Which arguments in particular do you disagree with?

I'm not uncomfortable with it, dont assume you know jack shit about me because you dont ..I just see right through bullshit oversimplification and twisting of information to suit an agenda

Goes both ways.

 

[Kyorisu]

You sure. Read the story about how an aborigine girl was raped and the judge failed to give them decent sentences such that it exploded into an outrage of racism? Read your news

You missed the point. I said oh wait never mind as a joke back to the old days of the stolen generation. Then we have the whole let's be jerks towards Middle Eastern people thing going on. People that have lived here for there entire lives and still cop shit because of where they originated from.

 

[repiV]

Didn't know Repiv was a xenophobe :O
I'm disappointed

I'm not a xenophobe.

 

[CptStern]

Ok, whatever you say...

this is what you do, you're point is proven to be false and you pretend like it didnt happened

I didn't say "most murders are racially motivated". I said most inter-racial murders where the victim was a stranger are racially motivated.

yet provided nothing to back up your claim

As you've quite rightly pointed out, most victims are killed by people they know - clearly some motivation must exist, like hatred.

so because you yourself cant possibly come up with some other explanation it MUST be racially motivated ..completely illgical

What other motivations are there besides racial hatred to kill a complete stranger of another race? Very few.

oh I dont know, pride, greed, jealosy, envy, shame, revenge, apathy ..it could be a number of reasons ..you cant possibly quantify a statement like that without actually providing facts and figures that support your case ..to say that your "guess" that a majority is race related is a gross oversimplification and outright disinformation ..provide sources or it's just a lot of hot air

I also said that it's pretty much statistically impossible, given the overall murder stats, for whites to be committing more racially motivated murders than blacks. When you consider that there are vastly more whites than blacks in the US, the figures are even more damning.

only if you oversimply every single murder case to be motivated by race which you havent ...you're seeing what you want to see because the facts you provided dont support an iota of what you are sugesting

Fact and a little common sense.

I'm still waiting on the "facts" and I see no evidence of common sense, I see the opposite in fact

Where did I say that?

process of elimination, you said countries with more white people are more successful you didnt provide a reason what else am I to think?

Like I said, he simply pointed out that nations are generally more successful the more European or East Asian blood they have. This is undoubtedly true.
He does not draw any conclusions as to WHY that is. Now that actually is an interesting question.

really? sounds to me like you didnt read your own article:

some populations just aren?t very bright, or at any rate don?t seem to be.

he specifically identifies "sub sahara" ..translation: blacks

and this?

Suspected Economic Law: The more European or East Asian blood, the more money

what the hell could he possibly be saying?

Calling him a racist just makes you look like a foaming-at-the-mouth reactionary. He's controversial, sure, but there's nothing wrong with that in a world where the "truth" goes through ten layers of filtering before anyone gets to hear about it.

give me a ****ing break, he doesnt speak in truths, he oversimplifies the issues for the slope browed set who eat it up like it's their freakin last meal

Have you ever considered that some of us are tired of all the real racism directed against white people, usually by other white people - and would like to set the record straight? Nobody is ever outraged about that.

give me a ****ing break for the love of all that's ****ing goddam holy ..poor whitey has it bad ..what country do you live in, in what reality? I've been white my entire life and not once have I been discriminated against ..ok that's not true ..it happened twice ..but by WHITE PEOPLE!!! ..I wasnt a jew and I wasnt russian, that's good enough for them to have discriminated against me ...therefore from my experiences and according to your warped logic .."I'm freaking sick and tired of white people discriminating against white people"

He gives some extremely sound reasons as to why poor countries are poor and rich countries are rich. Which arguments in particular do you disagree with?

extremely sound? what 9th grader doesnt know that poor countries are often corrupt? or that people take bribes ...oooooooo insightful almost to the point of being a genius ..oversimplified pap

Goes both ways.

that's like saying "I know what you are but what am I" ...I dont assume unless I've been given a reason to believe the person is implying something ..you just outright shove words down my throat

 

[Solaris]

I'm always extremely suspicious of people who say the "racism works both ways" things and talk about 'anti-white' racist attacks.
Mainly becuase the vast majority of people who say this stuff are racists themselves, the BNP talk about it a lot for example.

And I just get this feeling that it's bullshit, I've never suffered racist abuse in my life, but I see it and hear anti-Asian abuse at least once a week in my deprived UK town. Someone spray painted 'Pakis' on the local shop window, some asain guy got stabbed by white youths last year in my town and died. I have no doubt it's for racial reasons. People at my school say 'paki' all the time.

Even if there are asians going round beating up people for being white, it's certainly not as bad as the other way round. Because I don't care how many asians are racists becuase I belong to the largest ethnic group, I'll never have to worry about not finding work becuase of my race, or being spat on in the streets regually or anything like that. Certainly not to the same degree asains do.

It pisses me off how ****ing stupid some of the racist assholes I meet on a daily basis are : "I hate pakis, they're ignorant" "There's no black is the union jack" I don't know how much longer I can put off punching someone in the face when they say "paki" casually in a conversation.

 

[CptStern]

I don't know how much longer I can put off punching someone in the face when they say "paki" casually in a conversation.

goddam why didnt you say so before? here's a ticket to america, you know what you must do

 

[Tyguy]

Having skimmed this thread, i'll say yes, there is obviously a double standard. You can argue semantics all you want...

 

[CptStern]

there are no sematics here ..just which information you choose to accept and which you choose to reject ..the fact is that there IS a double standard ..but it works both ways, despite whatever people want to believe. Anyone who points the finger exclusively to one side is only getting half the picture and, as I often suspect just pushing a specific agenda