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Earthlings

EARTHLINGS is a feature length documentary about humanity’s absolute dependence on animals (for pets, food, clothing, entertainment, and scientific research) but also illustrates our complete disrespect for these so-called “non-human providers.” The film is narrated by Academy Award nominee Joaquin Phoenix (GLADIATOR) and features music by the critically acclaimed platinum artist Moby.

With an in-depth study into pet stores, puppy mills and animals shelters, as well as factory farms, the leather and fur trades, sports and entertainment industries, and finally the medical and scientific profession, EARTHLINGS uses hidden cameras and never before seen footage to chronicle the day-to-day practices of some of the largest industries in the world, all of which rely entirely on animals for profit. Powerful, informative and thought-provoking, EARTHLINGS is by far the most comprehensive documentary ever produced on the correlation between nature, animals, and human economic interests. There are many worthy animal rights films available, but this one transcends the setting. EARTHLINGS cries to be seen. Highly recommended!

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just watch... :| watch it and unterstand...
 
"They are not brethren. They are not underlings. They are other nations."

The hell with that. /close
 
Raevon0 said:
"They are not brethren. They are not underlings. They are other nations."

The hell with that. /close
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Zoophilia apologist!
 
I agree. We should use hotnumbers for medical testing instead.

All in favour?
 
Ís it okay to spam before any mods get here?
 
you all should skip on down to 22:11 on the movie

and btw Mechagodzilla, do you act like that in the real world? becasue you're an ass hole
 
JESUS F*CKING CHRIST


my god....i knew it would be bad, but...

i love meat...i try to eat respectfuly, but this just leaves me speechless and confused...

jesus christ......i was talking for a long time now, but i think i will actually do it...i'll hunt my own food...at least i want the animal to have lived a more decent life than those poor bastards...

f*ck....



edit: i have to spread the word...if you're not a dipshit you should too...
 
I had to stop watching when they showed the dog getting run over by the drilling machine.

I don't think we should get rid of all pets, meat and animal-derived products like this video says, but I definatley think we need to stop the industrialized killing of animals in favor of more humane treatment that limits suffering. We are animals, and we depend on other species to survive. According to this video's logic, plants are also earthlings, and we definatley shouldn't be eating them either, so truly the only method of getting food for us without using other organisms will most likely be artificial photosynthesis.
 
-Ban pet ownership in cities and cramped places
-Ban fast-foods
-Limit industralized killings
-Rational consumption of food
-More wildlife preserves and better coverage of potential pouchers
-Severly limit the use of leather (only for use as protection against the elements, no luxuries)
-Ban killing sports
-Hunting limited to neccesity
-All pets, should be evidented
-Animal abuse can be punished by life in prison or death
-Ban cosmetics
-All science research should be public
-...

and million more


If Norway managed to fine you 50€ for littering, then this is also possible.
 
hot564231 said:
and btw Mechagodzilla, do you act like that in the real world? becasue you're an ass hole
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You're right that it was rude for him to single you out, but the man has a point - animal testing saves countless lives.
 
el Chi said:
You're right that it was rude for him to single you out, but the man has a point - animal testing saves countless lives.
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yes maybe they do, but some people doesn't deserve to be saved!
 
jverne said:
yes maybe they do, but some people doesn't deserve to be saved!
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Ah, but maybe some animals don't deserve not to be saved.
 
theotherguy said:
I don't think we should get rid of all pets, meat and animal-derived products like this video says, but I definatley think we need to stop the industrialized killing of animals in favor of more humane treatment that limits suffering.
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And that's as far as a reasonable person needs to go.

Regardless of what any video says, animals are my underlings, as are plants, because I am sentient and they are not. I do not condone wanton violence or mistreatment of lesser beings, but God damn me if I'm going to stop eating meat or experimenting on animals just because a few corporations or experiments are horrible.
 
Sick.
Sick and utterly horrific.

Slaughter house? Psychotics only please.
 
There's a reason I try to only eat free range meat, and almost never eat fast food- and that's precisely it.
 
JNightshade said:
There's a reason I try to only eat free range meat, and almost never eat fast food- and that's precisely it.
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I'm swearing off McDs and BK.

And dolphins? ****ing dolphins? I have lost what little respect I had for the Japanese.
 
hot564231 said:
and btw Mechagodzilla, do you act like that in the real world? becasue you're an ass hole
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This is the real world, Jimmy. And the reality is that humans are omnivorous, and always have been up until about the time jesus flew out a vagina.

You cannot have food to feed our world without an animal dying some way or another.
Farmland kills animals and their habitats, so replacing about half our foodstuffs with plants (which are more difficult to grow and generally lacking in important nutritional elements like protein and calcium) either means that you're killing animals or starving millions/billions of actual people.

People love to show the shock footage of cows being decapitated or whatever and go OH GOD THE COW.
The reason it's shocking is that you've been coddled.
This isn't exactly a Soylent Green mystery we're talking about.
Where did you think meat came from?

Up until very recently, everyone was the butcher.
You had to hunt, cut and eat your own food. If you didn't like the messiness, you'd starve.
Needless to say, everyone chose COW MURDER over starving to death.

Today, butchers are relatively few, and seldom watched by an audience. They need to be, because our world isn't one where everyone fends for themselves anymore.
The side-effect of our industrial world with its heightened life expectencies is that people like Jimmy go about their lives building the internet and running a government, blissfully ignorant of where food and medicine come from.

The gist is that vegetarianism kills things.
So does omnivorism.
The difference is we kill less things (especially less human things) and we aren't crying over it.

Go ahead and let the shock sites and sad music wuss you out. That's your right and you'll probably enjoy it.
But you can't ignore that vegetarianism is only viable for the world's richest in times of prosperity.

Think twice before expecting everyone to kneel before your newly aquired Internet Empathy.
And just plain think before calling someone an "ass hole" for putting human life first on the priority list.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
This is the real world, Jimmy. And the reality is that humans are omnivorous, and always have been up until about the time jesus flew out a vagina.

You cannot have food to feed our world without an animal dying some way or another.
Farmland kills animals and their habitats, so replacing about half our foodstuffs with plants (which are more difficult to grow and generally lacking in important nutritional elements like protein and calcium) either means that you're killing animals or starving millions/billions of actual people.

People love to show the shock footage of cows being decapitated or whatever and go OH GOD THE COW.
The reason it's shocking is that you've been coddled.
This isn't exactly a Soylent Green mystery we're talking about.
Where did you think meat came from?

Up until very recently, everyone was the butcher.
You had to hunt, cut and eat your own food. If you didn't like the messiness, you'd starve.
Needless to say, everyone chose COW MURDER over starving to death.

Today, butchers are relatively few, and seldom watched by an audience. They need to be, because our world isn't one where everyone fends for themselves anymore.
The side-effect of our industrial world with its heightened life expectencies is that people like Jimmy go about their lives building the internet and running a government, blissfully ignorant of where food and medicine come from.

The gist is that vegetarianism kills things.
So does omnivorism.
The difference is we kill less things (especially less human things) and we aren't crying over it.

Go ahead and let the shock sites and sad music wuss you out. That's your right and you'll probably enjoy it.
But you can't ignore that vegetarianism is only viable for the world's richest in times of prosperity.

Think twice before expecting everyone to kneel before your newly aquired Internet Empathy.
And just plain think before calling someone an "ass hole" for putting human life first on the priority list.
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QFMFT!!!!
 
jverne said:
JESUS F*CKING CHRIST


my god....i knew it would be bad, but...

i love meat...i try to eat respectfuly, but this just leaves me speechless and confused...

jesus christ......i was talking for a long time now, but i think i will actually do it...i'll hunt my own food...at least i want the animal to have lived a more decent life than those poor bastards...

f*ck....



edit: i have to spread the word...if you're not a dipshit you should too...
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Or just buy 'freerange'
 
Mechagodzilla said:
This is the real world, Jimmy. And the reality is that humans are omnivorous, and always have been up until about the time jesus flew out a vagina.

You cannot have food to feed our world without an animal dying some way or another.
Farmland kills animals and their habitats, so replacing about half our foodstuffs with plants (which are more difficult to grow and generally lacking in important nutritional elements like protein and calcium) either means that you're killing animals or starving millions/billions of actual people.

People love to show the shock footage of cows being decapitated or whatever and go OH GOD THE COW.
The reason it's shocking is that you've been coddled.
This isn't exactly a Soylent Green mystery we're talking about.
Where did you think meat came from?

Up until very recently, everyone was the butcher.
You had to hunt, cut and eat your own food. If you didn't like the messiness, you'd starve.
Needless to say, everyone chose COW MURDER over starving to death.

Today, butchers are relatively few, and seldom watched by an audience. They need to be, because our world isn't one where everyone fends for themselves anymore.
The side-effect of our industrial world with its heightened life expectencies is that people like Jimmy go about their lives building the internet and running a government, blissfully ignorant of where food and medicine come from.

The gist is that vegetarianism kills things.
So does omnivorism.
The difference is we kill less things (especially less human things) and we aren't crying over it.

Go ahead and let the shock sites and sad music wuss you out. That's your right and you'll probably enjoy it.
But you can't ignore that vegetarianism is only viable for the world's richest in times of prosperity.

Think twice before expecting everyone to kneel before your newly aquired Internet Empathy.
And just plain think before calling someone an "ass hole" for putting human life first on the priority list.
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Tough guy...eh?

there is no problem killing an animal for food, but it's a problem when this becomes excessive. People only buy the nicest pieces and throw everything away. I lived on a farm and animal slaughter wasn't unusual, but when we killed an animal we took everything, everything was consumed. Nowdays where everything is a profit this has turned into excessive industrialized mass killings.

And this is where your extremism come out clearly...why the hell is someone who feels empathy for animals a vegetarian?

You don't feel nothing for those animas? There is nothing wrong to have a fur coat just for looks?

You're the wuss here mecha...supported by your shitty functionalist naci theories.

I wonder what is the ratio (in western society) between adequate and excessive meat consumption?
 
*Watches*

*Yawns*

Typical propaganda shock video.

*closes and goes back to his own life*
 
Mechagodzilla said:
But you can't ignore that vegetarianism is only viable for the world's richest in times of prosperity.
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Well that's not strictly true now, is it? Both Hinduism and Buddhism are practised all over the third world.
But that's me playing devil's advocate because I agree that - unless they're endangered or the methods are cruel - there ain't no shame in eating meat.
 
*agrees*

<your apatheticness has increased by 2%!>
 
Nothing like a good ol' slab of cow meat laying on my plate. I can actually taste the fear that was running through the animal's system before his butchering. It's delicious.

Dog getting run over sucked though.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
This is the real world, Jimmy. And the reality is that humans are omnivorous, and always have been up until about the time jesus flew out a vagina.

You cannot have food to feed our world without an animal dying some way or another.
Farmland kills animals and their habitats, so replacing about half our foodstuffs with plants (which are more difficult to grow and generally lacking in important nutritional elements like protein and calcium) either means that you're killing animals or starving millions/billions of actual people.

People love to show the shock footage of cows being decapitated or whatever and go OH GOD THE COW.
The reason it's shocking is that you've been coddled.
This isn't exactly a Soylent Green mystery we're talking about.
Where did you think meat came from?

Up until very recently, everyone was the butcher.
You had to hunt, cut and eat your own food. If you didn't like the messiness, you'd starve.
Needless to say, everyone chose COW MURDER over starving to death.

Today, butchers are relatively few, and seldom watched by an audience. They need to be, because our world isn't one where everyone fends for themselves anymore.
The side-effect of our industrial world with its heightened life expectencies is that people like Jimmy go about their lives building the internet and running a government, blissfully ignorant of where food and medicine come from.

The gist is that vegetarianism kills things.
So does omnivorism.
The difference is we kill less things (especially less human things) and we aren't crying over it.

Go ahead and let the shock sites and sad music wuss you out. That's your right and you'll probably enjoy it.
But you can't ignore that vegetarianism is only viable for the world's richest in times of prosperity.

Think twice before expecting everyone to kneel before your newly aquired Internet Empathy.
And just plain think before calling someone an "ass hole" for putting human life first on the priority list.
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Awesome post. I agree 100%

EDIT: God... i'm watching this video, and it's heart wrenching. I'm talking about the videos where owners are killing their animals in less than humane ways. Dogs being fed cyanide, as they twitch and die, while staring at the owner. Terrible and sad. Dog being thrown in a trash truck, and being compacted to death. Utterly horrible and inhumane.

We should be able to live in a world without this form of animal cruelty, which is completely intolerable compared to killing animals for food.

I can agree that there definitely needs to be serious reform for how animals are allowed to be slaughtered/kept for food. The current methods simply aren't enough, apparently. This doesn't mean we shouldn't eat meat... but we shouldn't allow this kind of suffering to happen. :(

I'm not dismissing this video as another shock film like you normally see from PETA. This is so much more terrible. There's some barbaric shit in here I never knew existed.

EDIT: Still watching... Ugh, i'm thinking about abstaining from meat after watching this shit. And this coming from a die hard meat fan.
 
Indeed. I am all for more more humane treatment of animals. The fact is that humans are going to eat meat. But as an enlightened species, surely we can do without some of the cruel practices we have today.

I'm particularly touchy about dogs. I don't wish to be insensitive to other cultures' dietary habits, but their development has been so dependent on ours that tossing them live into meat grinders or strangling them to death for adrenaline to pump through their system (which apparently enhances flavor) seems apalling to me. As was said in another topic about dogs recently, "Dogs can be highly intelligent, loyal, conscientious, even compassionate creatures". Don't get me wrong. If I was trapped, starving, and verging on death, I might just make a meal out of Rover. But we're not talking about situations of desparation.
 
I am also appaled by the people who work in these places, many whom are depicted doing completely despicable things. Hopping up and down in joy on dead or dying chickens... beating the shit out of pigs with blunt objects while screaming, "Go mother****er!" "Come on, bitch!"

WTF... we wouldn't tolerate that stuff in normal society, why should we tolerate it in there? Those are the type of people I would never trust around myself, my friends, or my family. Truely psychotic.
 
Raziaar said:
WTF... we wouldn't tolerate that stuff in normal society, why should we tolerate it in there?
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Can you imagine how many American conservatives would go apeshit if we tried to regulate how they kill their animals, though?
 
Raeven0 said:
Can you imagine how many American conservatives would go apeshit if we tried to regulate how they kill their animals, though?
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America isn't the only place this happens, though. And neither are the only people 'conservatives'. Liberals are not by definition vegetarians... while there may be less people who define themselves as liberal, who are meat eaters, they are still a majority of their 'liberal' classification.

Besides... America in some fields is even the 'good guy' as far as regulation is concerned with regards to animals being killed for food. Whaling is an example, apparently. United States and Austrailia are big in anti-whaling... and countries like Japan are big into whaling.

From wikipedia.

Japan

Main article: Whaling in Japan

A dish of whale meat in Japan
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A dish of whale meat in Japan

When the commercial whaling moratorium was introduced by the IWC in 1982, Japan lodged an official objection, but withdrew this objection in 1987 after the United States threatened it with sanctions. Thus, Japan became bound by the moratorium, unlike Norway, Russia and (more disputed) Iceland. Therefore, in 1987, Japan stopped commercial whaling activities in Antarctic waters, but in the same year began a controversial scientific whaling program (JARPA - Japanese Research Program in Antarctica).

The Japanese government mainly justifies this type of whaling on the grounds that analysis of stomach contents provides insight into the dietary habits of whales and that analysis of actual tissue is the only way to ascertain the age of a whale as well as the degree of interbreeding in the population which provides vital insight into whale population distribution.

Japan's scientific whaling program has remained controversial, with conservation groups and anti-whaling countries such as the US and Australia maintaining that the number of animals killed is much greater than demanded by scientific purposes and that the real reason for the scientific kills is to provide whale meat for Japanese restaurants and supermarkets. The Japanese government point out that hunting of whale for research purpose is specifically sanctioned under IWC regulation and IWC regulations specifically require that whale meat be fully utilised upon the completion of research. Furthermore it argue that it is hypocritical and inconsistent, on one hand, to insist that scientific evidence on whale population is inaccurate and/or insufficient in the context of commercial whaling while at the same time insist that the scientific whaling is uncecessarily.

In 1994, Australia attempted to stop some of the Japanese whaling program by enforcing a 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ) around the Australian Antarctic Territory. However, Antarctic territories are not generally recognized internationally. In particular, the Antarctic Treaty, to which Australia is a signatory, specifically states that all claims to Antarctic territories remain unresolved while the treaty is in force. (The treaty was originally devised to prevent conflict between the USSR and USA during the cold war.) Legal advice obtained by the Australian government indicated that attempts to stop Japanese whaling in the Australian Antarctic Territory by resorting to international courts may, in fact, have led to Australia losing its claim to that territory.

In 2002, Japanese whalers took five sperm, 39 sei, 50 Bryde's and 150 minke whales in the northern catch area and 440 minke whales in the southern catch area. The catch was carried out under the IWC's special licence for whaling research.

According to official IWC figures, total numbers for the 2004-2005 whaling season were 441 minke whales (SH area pelagic) 100 minke whales (NP area pelagic) and 60 minke whales in coastal regions of Japan. Three sperm whales and 51 Bryde's whales were also taken (pelagic) during this period bringing the total number of whales in the 2004/05 season to 780.

In 2005, the JARPA scientific research program was replaced by the JARPA-II program, which increases the quota of minke whales to 900, and more controversially, adds fin whales to the program, with a quota of 10 animals in 2005. This move has sparked a great deal of controversy among anti-whaling nations, in particular because fin whales are listed as endangered under the Convention on International Trade on Endangered Species. Starting in 2007, Japan plans to harvest up to 50 humpback whales and 50 fin whales annually.

Refer to International Whaling Commission for more details on controversy surrounding the Japanese whaling program.
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Ludah said:
Well, well, well. I just happened to come across this a few mintues ago:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1913999390200944075&q=Penn+Teller

It focuses mainly on PETA, but I find it relevant to this topic in that it deals with the entire ethical animal treatment debate as a whole. And, as per usual, points out bullshit.
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I've seen that thing before... and I agree with it, but it is completely seperate issue I believe from what is shown in this video. That's about PETA nutjobs... this is about painfully obvious, ongoing situation.

I mean, look at me... right before this thread I would normally shoot down any person speaking out against meat eating... I will still speak out against meat eating, since I am an omnivore, and I love the taste of meat. But damn if I knew the half of what went on... those old PETA videos never showed anything like what i'm seeing on here. Hell, the worst I saw in the PETA videos was a cow getting it's throat slit while still alive. Which is painful, but pales in comparison to this other stuff.

EDIT: Oh my god! There's a scene in here... actually a couple... very grisly. 55:05 and on... you have a scene with a man applying his body weight to a fox/wolf's head, grinding it into hte ground... the animal is still alive, with blood oozing thickly out of its nostrils. Then a few seconds later, it shows people peeling the flesh off these foxes/wolves, and one is still alive staring at the camera and looking around, with ALL of it's fur peeled off, with blood all over. Nightmare inducing material.

I could just cry after watching this thing.

EDIT: Going further on, on the zoo part... You have full grown lions being slapped painfully in the face and eyes by Zoo animal trainers, yelling "No! no no no no no".

Not completely related, but it sparks a thought about that beastiality thread... if a full grown lion, capable of completely oblierating the shit out of a human, doesn't fight back when slapped full on in the face without much restraint on the lions part, and the lion feels ashamed/compelled to behave... I wonder if Ikerous's thread, going on that same thought... they feel compelled to be subservient, and thus isn't the reason they fight back against you.

An elephant trainer to another trainer in training, I guess... saying this:

"Hurt him. Don't touch him! Make him scream. If you're scared to hurt him... don't come in this room. When I say rip his ****ing' --- you know how I am about touching him ... right? So if I say rip his head off, rip his ****ing foot off, what does that mean? Cause it's very important to do it, right? When he starts squirming too ****ing much, Both ****ing hands --- BOOM! Right under that chin! Sit... and he better back up. Then when he ****s around too much, don't grab that leg... you ****ing sink that hook, and give him everything you've got... and when it's in there go, ee-ee-ee-ee!!! And he's gonna start screaming. When you hear that screaming... Then you know you've got their attention a little ****ing bit! Right here in the barn. Can't do it on the road. She's gonna ****ing do what I want. And that's just the ****ing way it is. Alright, let's go. Becky! BECKY! You mother****er! Get your mother****ing --- Get up here --- Mother****er! Come here, Becky! Move up, Becky. Move up, Becky. Alright, tubs. Tubs! Hey! Get Loony! Hey, Becky. Go on, move up. Hey, i'm alive. I'm not a dead man. Move up! Come in line. Come in line, Becky! Mother****er! Move, mother****er! Yeah, come in line. Come here, Tommy. Why do they have to go through that because you mother****ers don't want to listen? Back up. You got a pussy-ass ****ing attitude... It's just the way they die."

I mean, can you even believe that, in a zoo enviroment? All that while them beating the animal's legs with what looks to be 2x4's. That particular scene is visible from 1:04:44

Terrible, just terrible. Though it is a little redeeming afterward when it shows scenes of elephants mauling humans as they lash out. After watching all this, that seems pleasant. The only unfortunate part is after the rampage, the poor elephant has officers on the street shooting rifles at him to bring him down. Round after round after round after round is fired, as the elephant almost limply struggles against the side of a car, trying to stand as the bullets penetrate constantly. <sighs>



LAST EDIT: Just finished watching the entire video. I went into it with skepticism, and came out heartbroken, and it opened my eyes to alot of things I have never heard of, nor imigined in some of my worst nightmares. I encourage any of you who almost immediately dismissed the video, to go ahead and rewatch the whole thing. The ENTIRE thing... and I am sure if you have any feeling in your heart, with compassion towards animals you'll feel many of the same things I did.
 
I have to admit that footage tears me up inside. They hung a cow by it's hind legs, slit its throat the blood gushed out like a hose. Cow was still alive you could see it gasping to stay alive as the blood poured out. It's not right. Not right at all.

That's probably the most powerful footage i've ever seen in terms of turning me off meat permanently.
 
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