Economic class?

Your economic class?

  • Low class

    Votes: 5 9.3%

  • Lower/middle class

    Votes: 7 13.0%

  • Middle class

    Votes: 25 46.3%

  • Higher/middle class

    Votes: 15 27.8%

  • High class

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .
jverne

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How rich are you? Based on your countrys average!
Please try to be fair!
 
My parents are teachers, so I guess that makes me middle class. Their parents were 1st generation working class immigrants.
 
I've lived my entire life in a lower/middle and middle class.
 
I'm a middle class student - not in economic terms, my parents have no fixed income, they're artists :)
 
Well, If it was based entirely on economics I'd probubly be lower class ( I qualify for maxed out EMA w00t!) but my family is probubly more middle class. My dad (who I live with) is a farmer, My mum is an accountant type thing, my sister is a teacher, one of my brothers is a self employed mechanic and my other brother is a farmer.

*please note: I am niether from Summerset or do i speak like the Worsels
 
Based on national average my parents would be Higher/Middle, but if we were in the US we'd probably be around middle.
 
Economically probably Middle/Upper, but my family is from a lower class background.

Also, when I start working soon, economically I'll probably drop down to lower/middle for a few years at least :O
 
I guess I'm low class. Living with my seperated mother, who is relying purely on benefits at the moment, but is also going to Uni doing English Literature.
Myself, I'm at college doing HNC Computing, still haven't sent off my SAAS application, but I should get a nice bursary. I work at checkouts at Tesco (another British 'Wal-mart')

About a year and a half ago, my parents were still together, and my dad still had a job as a software engineer, decent pay and all. Back then I could have said Middle class or maybe even middle/higher.

Funny how things change
 
Middle I suppose. This should be puplic IMO.
 
Suprisingly there aren't many high or low classes here! why's that?
Maybe the low classes can't aford being here or have too many other problems, and the high class doesn't care because they already got what they want!?

So what?...human society is based on the middle clsass? Think...if there would be only high and low class there wouldn't be any progress!? The poor ones don't have the means to change something...and why would the rich want to change anyway?! We all know that in capitalism the middle class is dying...so what's next?
 
The workingclass are whom I support, although im middle class.

"Workers of the world brake away from your chains and unite".

The workers have all the power, but just don't relise it.
 
Solaris said:
but just don't relise it.
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that's the main problem! they dont realize it and they never will...they can't aford to realize it...because then they would be fired...and they wouldn't be working anymore!
 
Thats stupid.

The working class need to collectively seize the wealth, and then plan its distribution. First we need to create some transitional demands and give them to the working class.
 
I hate the class system. I hate it so much it makes me feel depressed witrh humanity that people even bother to take notice of it. If I'd have to label myself then I'd probably be upper/middle, but who cares?
There are enough pointless divisions in society without the income or background of the family you were born into (or grew up with) being one of them.

It's completely spurious and out-dated nonsense and for some reason, the media have dredged it to to fore the last few years, thereby reinforcing it (I'm not saying things were perfect 5 years ago, but certainly there was less emphasis on it).

Let's face it, all too often "chav" was simply a euphemism for "working class" used by journalists who were either too out-dated and cretinous to know any better (besides which, I doubt very much that reinforcing class boundaries really troubled them that much) or slightly more savvy, yet spiteful journalists who saw a bandwagon and hopped aboard.

Of course, I'm generalising, but you only have to see something like "Wife Swap" to see how gleefully the media will parade around differences in a way that they KNOW will make stoke the fires of class warfare ideals.

/Rant ends.
 
I agree everyone should be the same economic class.
 
Well, with the exception of a Communist utopia, that's not really going to be the case. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for a healthy degree of Socialism, but realistically speaking, the revolution is NOT just 'round the corner.

My point was actually that there should be less EMPHASIS on it. It's not about to go away, but it shouldn't be an issue. People judge others on their class, and it's a stupid prejudice to have and to perpetuate.
 
Solaris said:
Thats stupid.

The working class need to collectively seize the wealth, and then plan its distribution. First we need to create some transitional demands and give them to the working class.
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:LOL:

Let's be honest- a 'communist utopia' is an oxymoron.

For about the millionth time, labour means **** all these days - imagination is what's needed for a country.


Chi is quite correct, there should be less emphasis on class - however I disagree on the word 'chav' - it's got very little to do with class, it's more of a culture. Sadly.
 
Imagination is whats needed if were part of a collective.

Right now, if the workers stopped working. The state would collapse, multi-corps wouldnt have any raw materials. It couldn't operate without the working class.

A communist revolution needs to be an international movement.
 
Yes, but if you keep the workers happy, they're not going to stop working. They don't want to risk losing their homes, families and cars etc just because "It might be better, but probably not"

Revolutions are started when people are desperate (eg starvation). The governments of today recognise that.
 
Solaris said:
Imagination is whats needed if were part of a collective.

Right now, if the workers stopped working. The state would collapse, multi-corps wouldnt have any raw materials. It couldn't operate without the working class.

A communist revolution needs to be an international movement.
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No, it really doesn't.

Indeed, if the workers stopped working, things would be very very difficult.

However, labour isn't the main source of a countries income- innovation and imagination is. Competition is healthy, and natural.

Marx's ideas were based on a 19th Century view of the world. You simply can't apply that model to modern society. It is naive to think so.
 
ComradeBadger said:
However, labour isn't the main source of a countries income- innovation and imagination is. Competition is healthy, and natural.

Marx's ideas were based on a 19th Century view of the world. You simply can't apply that model to modern society. It is naive to think so.
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Exactly. Marx's ideas are over 150 years old in an era that has seen more rapid change than almost any other in history. Perhaps in some third world countries it might still be applicable, but Communism isn't the way forward for those countries - dropping the debt would help them an awful lot more than a revolution.
There are certain elements of Communism and Socialism that are important to decent society, but it;s difficult to suppose that a purist, out-dated model like MArxism could ever be of genuine applicable worth nowadays.

As for the "chav" thing - I know it was mostly a culture thing, but I always got the feeling that it was portrayed as if "chav" and "working class" were intrinsically linked to the point were they were synonymous.
 
The mere mortal catagorisations can not contain the sheer power of Short Recoil.
 
Badger (I assume youre no longer a comrade), the basics of Marxism still applies. The workers still have power, and wealth is still gained through the exploitation of surplus value. Communism however is pretty much doomed, if isolated to one country, that isn't self suffecient.
 
The working class does not tie directly to lower/middle/upper class.

My parents are working class and we live comfortable middle/almost upper middle class.
 
But this is always a confusion as to whether class is about income or background. The fact that both are unpredictable and potentially unstable just goes to show how nonsensical the entire concept of class is. But hey! It works!
 
Class is a Victorian view of society, only slightly more advanced than the 'great chain of being' theory :p

Oh, and Solaris, I'm still Comrade :)
 
I guess I'm upper-middle - my dad's from a working-class background and my mum from a middle-class one. My dad made himself middle class and I guess we're pretty well off, but I'm not even out of the house yet so my own 'class' may change. But I agree with what Chi said about emphasis on class (ie, less of it). And:

Exactly. Marx's ideas are over 150 years old in an era that has seen more rapid change than almost any other in history. Perhaps in some third world countries it might still be applicable, but Communism isn't the way forward for those countries - dropping the debt would help them an awful lot more than a revolution.
There are certain elements of Communism and Socialism that are important to decent society, but it;s difficult to suppose that a purist, out-dated model like Marxism could ever be of genuine applicable worth nowadays.
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Quoted for emphasis.
 
I completely disagree, communism/socialism would really help thoose countries. It wouldn't make everything fine straight away, but it would put them on the right track.
 
To be honest Communism is newer than capitalism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence_of_early_capitalism

Capitalism has evolved and that is why it has remained a working economic model. I see no reason then why Communism can't do the same and still be considered "Communism". People say it is outdated and designed for a society that no longer exists. Well guess what? Capitalism is the same thing only it came from an even earlier time. You don't have to have a pure Marxist economic model to be considered Comunist.

Capitalism is something that has come about due to human nature. Communism is a model that is manufactured by humans. As we all know however human nature very often doesn't result in the best decisions being made. Im not saying manufactured is better however, just that it is something to think about.

Anyway, my family is middle class. My living conditions though since I am a student would place me as middle/lower.
 
jverne said:
Suprisingly there aren't many high or low classes here! why's that?
Maybe the low classes can't aford being here or have too many other problems, and the high class doesn't care because they already got what they want!?

So what?...human society is based on the middle clsass? Think...if there would be only high and low class there wouldn't be any progress!? The poor ones don't have the means to change something...and why would the rich want to change anyway?! We all know that in capitalism the middle class is dying...so what's next?
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The "higher class" makes up about 1% of the US population. Chances are it would be pretty hard for one of them to show up on a Half-Life 2 board's political section.

PS: Im middle/upper middle class... I guess.
 
ComradeBadger said:
Care to explain how, with reference to Marxist economic theory please?
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Workers still sell there own labour power, becuase all the tools are owned by the capitalists.

Wealth is still earned through the exploitation of workers < Is this the point that you don't agree with.
 
It's the whole means of production/economic base thing all over again :p

You're stating that in developing countries, a communist economic system would help them develop? Communism doesn't allow for social development of a state to the same extent that a flexable socialist capitalist system does. Lack of marketplace competition leads to lesser innovation - which ultimately leads to stagnation.

:)
 
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