Eminems new anti-Bush video..

I'm loving this.

i never said i got that idea from you, but many other people who have seen this video have said things right along those lines. the first part of my post was directed to people 'in general', the second part was just for you.
Just because those people don't know how to watch a video you are blaming Eminem? I simply don't get how anyone can get that idea.

'97 Bonnie & Clyde and Kim were 2 songs about killing his daughter's mom, yes. This is more of a show than anything. I don't see you getting mad over movies that show mothers being killed over and over. On that album he also explains how most of what he says in these types of songs is music, not any way real life.

My little sister’s birthday/She’ll remember me/For a gift I had ten of my boys take her virginity.
Eminem didn't say this. Show's me how much you really know about his music, this was bizzare saying it, maybe the lyric site you were looking at didn't point that out.
My life's like kinda what my wife's like (what?)/
****ed up after I beat her ****in ass every night, Ike
Shortly after that in that song he pretty much says "get a sense of humor" this is just music.
My baby's mom,/ bitch made me an angry blonde/
So I made me a song,/ killed her and put Hailie on.
he was talking about the song '97 Bonnie & Clyde.
You might see me walkin a dead rottweiler dog
with it's head chopped off in the park with a spiked collar
hollerin at him cause the son of a bitch won't quit barkin'.
umm...ok.
Plus I was put here to put fear in ******s who spray Faygo Root Beer and call themselves "Clowns" cause they look queer ******2Dope and Silent Gay
He was talking about the group ICP, not what you are trying to imply.

Every quote you gave me was violent, yes. But as I said this is nothing new in rap music and is no different than a violent movie, why aren't you upset about those?

Besides, I never said his lyrics weren't violent. Your main argument is that he is an anti-homosexual musician, you failed to show me one single quote of where this was the case. Out of all those I didn't see hiw say anything remotely close to that. I did see him use the word fag, hardly what you try to make it out to be.
a typo is a typo, but i rarely misspell. grammar? well considering this is an online forum, i dont really bother with capitalization or proper punctuation. if that ruffles your ignorant little feathers, i do apologize.
If you don't have the time to press shift after every '.' then you have absolutely no right to accuse someone of being immature. My arguments in this thread were all valid but you came in without making any real point, calling me a douche bag, misquoting me (you purposely took the part out, it was in between what you posted), saying I was childish, and then you expect me to treat you with respect.
 
azz0r said:
Wow, a great way to prove someone sucks is to say:

The Worst Parts of Eminem
Like the no talent and the homosexuality wasn't bad enough, he also is a rapper. Rap sux, I can't get over it. Rappers do not know how to speak, I believe they make up all those words just so they can rhyme easier. I would like to see them pick up an instrument and give it a try, that would be hilarious.
Remember kids; You can't spell CRAP without RAP.

:laugh: :laugh:
 
Yakuza said:
Look, i am not arguing the fact that some things are messed up. Suffering is something we all go through. And yes we have all been hurt by those we love.

My point is that Honor or integirty has nothing to do with how some one treats us rather how we choose to repsond to it. He can keep makin all this money on experssing his feelings and talking about how all these people wronged him, but at the end of the day is he a Better man? is he a Better Father?

I guess what we need to do is find out your definition of honor.
I understand your point and you have a right to feel Eminem isn't honorable because of how you view honor.

However, you have to understand the mindset someone is in when most of their life has been crap and they were abused by the ones they loved. People like this are normally cold and won't forgive someone for anything. Eventually they will probably change but that takes a lot of time, it won't happen over night. If you listen to Eminem's music, and I mean actually listen, you will see how he is growing away from this.
 
just let the guy rap, if you dont like his lyrics ... THEN DONT LISTEN TO HIM !!!!! duh.... :hmph:

i mean cmon, i dont get these people. if you dont like someones music dont listen to 'em...

(mentioning no names) people like:

(spoken in annoying sarcastic mimicing voice- these people REALLY do talk like that :D):
"hey i dont like so and so(this case eminem) so im gunna waste my time argueing continuusly and repetitively to people who do like so and so because my brain hurts and i have no: life, grammatical judgement, intelligence, girfriend, hobby....
i mean i COULD just not listen to them because i dont agree with them... but NO thats far too intelligent for me.... i dont follow common sense because i am a jerk...."

g'day to y'all
 
..........Eminem likes flowers and kittens. I cant beileve people are getting into flame war over his lyrics.
 
neptuneuk said:
just let the guy rap, if you dont like his lyrics ... THEN DONT LISTEN TO HIM !!!!! duh.... :hmph:

i mean cmon, i dont get these people. if you dont like someones music dont listen to 'em...


Its hard when his rubbish is on the radio all the time. Its hard when his new releases are spammed over every forum. Its hard when every bit of contreversy is put on the news.

Eugh.
 
No Limit said:
Just because those people don't know how to watch a video you are blaming Eminem? I simply don't get how anyone can get that idea.

me either, i dont recall blaming eminem.

Eminem didn't say this. Show's me how much you really know about his music, this was bizzare saying it, maybe the lyric site you were looking at didn't point that out.

i didn't say eminem said this. it was from a guest rapper on the song. but it is on eminem's cd, and it is a song eminem produced and rapped in.

Shortly after that in that song he pretty much says "get a sense of humor" this is just music.

because everything you say is harmless if you put up a little 'get a sense of humor' disclaimer. its all too clear now.

he was talking about the song '97 Bonnie & Clyde.

and? he still said that he killed his ex-wife.

umm...ok.

yeah this doesnt appear to be the only thing lost on you.

He was talking about the group ICP, not what you are trying to imply.

what am i trying to imply? that eminem is a violent, prejudiced, asshole? im pretty sure my quote proves exactly that. whether he was talking about ICP or whoever, those lyrics are absurd.

Every quote you gave me was violent, yes. But as I said this is nothing new in rap music and is no different than a violent movie, why aren't you upset about those?

why are you trying to draw some sort of correlation to movies? that is hardly a comparable media outlet. and i am upset about rap music in general, it has strayed far from the talented 'hip-hop' scene that it once was, into a mindlessly monotonous montage of '**** bitches, do drugs, kill your enemies, im from the hood, these are my niggas keeping it real, suck my dick, drink some henessy, dirka dirka dirka muhammad jihad'. its pathetic.

Besides, I never said his lyrics weren't violent. Your main argument is that he is an anti-homosexual musician, you failed to show me one single quote of where this was the case.

lack of evidence, and lack of comprehension are 2 different things.

Out of all those I didn't see hiw say anything remotely close to that. I did see him use the word fag, hardly what you try to make it out to be.

you're right, light-hearted use of the word fag, among other, is totally acceptable from a mainstream rapper.

If you don't have the time to press shift after every '.' then you have absolutely no right to accuse someone of being immature.

what a devastating analogy... one of your best. i see now why you fail at all attempts of intelligent comprehension.

My arguments in this thread were all valid

where?

but you came in without making any real point, calling me a douche bag, misquoting me (you purposely took the part out, it was in between what you posted), saying I was childish, and then you expect me to treat you with respect.

i said in my post that i left out your petty little 'no offense' disclaimer. regardless, what you said was enough to classify you as a 'douche bag' and 'childish'. where did i ask for your respect?
 
"And all of this controversy circles me
and it seems like the media immediately
points a finger at me (finger at me)..
So I point one back at 'em, but not the index or pinkie
or the ring or the thumb, it's the one you put up
when you don't give a ****, when you won't just put up
with the bullshit they pull, cause they full of shit too
When a dude's gettin bullied and shoots up his school
and they blame it on Marilyn (on Marilyn).. and the heroin
Where were the parents at? And look where it's at..."

Eminem - The Way I Am

In the song ( and in general ) it isn't necessarily his fault, there are other factors to be considered, don't you think?
When he attacks someone in one of his songs, it is only because he attacked him first ( e.g Rap magazine The-Source )
Owner of the source ray benzino, has attacked Eminem in his magazine, he only attacked him back as he should have.
 
othello, you disappoint me.

I don't know how I possibly got the idea you though this video was about the power to vote, maybe the following quote from you had something to do with it:
but this video is about the power of your vote, right? pffft.

because everything you say is harmless if you put up a little 'get a sense of humor' disclaimer. its all too clear now.
It should be extremely clear. His CD is entertainment for adults. He has made this clear on almost every violent song he has done. That's the reason these types of CDs have parental advisory stickers on them.

didn't say eminem said this. it was from a guest rapper on the song. but it is on eminem's cd, and it is a song eminem produced and rapped in.
If eminem didn't say it then I don't know why you would bring it up. Sure, it's on his cd. What do you want him to do? Censor guests on his record?

and? he still said that he killed his ex-wife.
What's funny is that ever since he said it over 6 years ago his wife still appears to be alive. What's even more funny is the fact that eminem talked her out of commiting suicide, so yes, I'm sure he really wants to kill her.
what am i trying to imply? that eminem is a violent, prejudiced, asshole? im pretty sure my quote proves exactly that. whether he was talking about ICP or whoever, those lyrics are absurd.
No, let me help you with what you were trying to imply. Out of all the lyric sites you went to that was the best example of his anti-homosexuality, something you said most of his songs were about. Like I said before, you still fail to show how he is anti-homosexual and if you don't provide me with a quote after this post I am done debating this with you as that will show me you are clearly talking out of your ass. No matter what you think to a sane person calling someone a fag as an insult is not anti-homosexual, if this was the case we would all be anti-gays as I'm sure you used that word before just like everyone else here.
why are you trying to draw some sort of correlation to movies? that is hardly a comparable media outlet. and i am upset about rap music in general, it has strayed far from the talented 'hip-hop' scene that it once was, into a mindlessly monotonous montage of '**** bitches, do drugs, kill your enemies, im from the hood, these are my niggas keeping it real, suck my dick, drink some henessy, dirka dirka dirka muhammad jihad'. its pathetic.
There is a huge comparison with movies? What's worse, hearing "I will shoot you in the head" or actually seeing someone get their brains blown out followed by a lot of colorful words. If you do not see the connection all hope is lost on you. Maybe you heard the phrase "A picture speaks 1000 words"?

I also love people that say rap is filled with no talented artistis that all they do is rap about drugs and sex. Yes, this is the case for some rappers but this happens in every other type of music, even the one you listen to. If you say these people have no talent I would love to see you put together a verse and the produce a quality beat to go along with that. If you can't do that you are an asshole as you have no right to question these peoples talent. I'll be waiting for a beat sample from you.

Since I know you won't provide a quote from Eminem that shows he is anti-gay I will give you my final word. If you don't like Eminem or rap overall that's fine, keep it to yourself. You have absolutely no right to say these people are stupid and have no talent. Rappers do a lot more production on their songs than almost any other musician out there, no matter what you think of rap music you HAVE to respect that. You say Eminem is an idiot, yet he has created a multi-million dollar record company that continues to grow. Along with that he has proved himself to be a good actor in the movie 8 mile.

Sure, his lyrics are violent; however, so is almost everything you see on TV. What's worse is that on TV any kid can see this violence, to buy a violent CD you need to be 18 or over. How come I don't see you bitching about violent movies? You say rap has no talent anymore, care to name the last rapper you thought had talent?
 
No Limit said:
othello, you disappoint me.

I don't know how I possibly got the idea you though this video was about the power to vote, maybe the following quote from you had something to do with it:

i dont know how you did either, as i explained, it was in reference to comments that some people have made about this video. that post you took that quote from had 2 parts, as i have already said, the top was directed to everyone 'in general', the second part was made special just for you.

It should be extremely clear. His CD is entertainment for adults. He has made this clear on almost every violent song he has done. That's the reason these types of CDs have parental advisory stickers on them.

yeah he has made it abundantly clear that this is all an act, entertainment for the grow-ups (like yourself :thumbs:). every song he's made that is even the slightest bit controversial he says 'hey hey guys, this is all for fun and to make shitloads of money because posers across america will buy into my bullshit, so dont get to riled over my lyrics, ok?'. i must've skipped that part in the songs, my bad. those parental advisory labels are infallible as well, no one under 18 has ever listened to eminem, right? well... except you. half-life is a 16+ rated game, why are you playing it? its 'entertainment for grownups'. your defense of eminem gets weaker with every post you make.

If eminem didn't say it then I don't know why you would bring it up. Sure, it's on his cd. What do you want him to do? Censor guests on his record?

uhh... duh. :rolling: finally something you comprehend.

What's funny is that ever since he said it over 6 years ago his wife still appears to be alive. What's even more funny is the fact that eminem talked her out of commiting suicide, so yes, I'm sure he really wants to kill her.

yes that is very funny. if i went into a police station, and publicly announced that i had killed my wife (like the song suggested), or that i plan to... im sure everyone would laugh it off, especially if i told them to 'get a sense of humor'. he also claims to rape his own mother, im sure that should be casually dismissed as part of eminem's lyrical and comical brilliance as well. :|

No, let me help you with what you were trying to imply. Out of all the lyric sites you went to that was the best example of his anti-homosexuality, something you said most of his songs were about. Like I said before, you still fail to show how he is anti-homosexual and if you don't provide me with a quote after this post I am done debating this with you as that will show me you are clearly talking out of your ass. No matter what you think to a sane person calling someone a fag as an insult is not anti-homosexual, if this was the case we would all be anti-gays as I'm sure you used that word before just like everyone else here.

sure i have... does that make it right? no. it doesnt matter if YOU find it offensive or not, homosexuals find it offensive. following your incompetent logic once more, to a sane person, calling someone a n1gg3r as an insult is not anti-black, if this was the case, blah blah blah. the fact that these obscenities are spout out in abundance from a public figure, who apparently has a strong influence on the weaker-minded, is ridiculous and irresponsible.

There is a huge comparison with movies? What's worse, hearing "I will shoot you in the head" or actually seeing someone get their brains blown out followed by a lot of colorful words. If you do not see the connection all hope is lost on you. Maybe you heard the phrase "A picture speaks 1000 words"?

lmao... i dont even think this merits a legitimate response. a movie is clearly a movie. as in, actors... acting out parts. as in fake. as in not real. does this need to be spelled out any further? when a musician, in a song, says he did/has done something, its usually assumed to be true. for instance, usher's single "confessions" talks about having a baby with his mistress or whatever. everyone thought it was real, until he publicly denied it. when an actor kills a person on screen in a movie, do you assume that he also kills people in real life? there is a far greater disconnect here than you cant apparently substantiate.

I also love people that say rap is filled with no talented artistis that all they do is rap about drugs and sex. Yes, this is the case for some rappers but this happens in every other type of music, even the one you listen to.

name one.

If you say these people have no talent I would love to see you put together a verse and the produce a quality beat to go along with that. If you can't do that you are an asshole as you have no right to question these peoples talent. I'll be waiting for a beat sample from you.

i have every right to question their talent. they release their shit to the public. i am the public. i grade their talent and performance. i am what makes them money, or makes them broke. so yes, i have absolutely every right to call whomever i wish a no-talent assclown.

Since I know you won't provide a quote from Eminem that shows he is anti-gay I will give you my final word. If you don't like Eminem or rap overall that's fine, keep it to yourself.

i know the majority of the marshal mathers lp by heart. you really just have no idea what you're talking about, do you? eminem has some good beats, and hes got a unique style in the way he raps, but its still rapping. talking... to a beat. la-di-frickin-da. rap sucks, no doubt about it, but there are rare exceptions.

You have absolutely no right to say these people are stupid and have no talent.

as i just explained, yes i do.

Rappers do a lot more production on their songs than almost any other musician out there, no matter what you think of rap music you HAVE to respect that. You say Eminem is an idiot, yet he has created a multi-million dollar record company that continues to grow. Along with that he has proved himself to be a good actor in the movie 8 mile.

dude... if T.I. can make money off a shitty ass song like 'rubberband man, wild as the taliban', do you really think its an amazing accomplishment to get the masses to buy your records? wake up. there are way too many fools like you who love rap, of couse the market is there. if i wasn't white, i could do it myself. that's got to be the only reason i respect eminem, to an extent. he's got more 'talent' than the majority of rappers out there, and he's a white boy. so ya, 'props' to him. he was decent in 8 mile, so 'props to the double izzex' to him.

Sure, his lyrics are violent; however, so is almost everything you see on TV. What's worse is that on TV any kid can see this violence, to buy a violent CD you need to be 18 or over. How come I don't see you bitching about violent movies? You say rap has no talent anymore, care to name the last rapper you thought had talent?

hmm... good question. jurassic 5. sugarhill gang. a tribe called quest. outkast. there's a guy now, named 'twistah' or something like that, he did the 'slow jamz' song or whatever. he's a really fast rapper, so thats pretty cool. the only purpose rap serves now, is that fine ass chicks will strip and dance to it... other than that... :bounce:
 
othello, here is your problem, you don't like certain types of music so you think everyone should feel the same way as you do. I'm wondering, what type of music do you like? Whatever you like I could make the same stupid claims you did.

yeah he has made it abundantly clear that this is all an act, entertainment for the grow-ups (like yourself :thumbs. every song he's made that is even the slightest bit controversial he says 'hey hey guys, this is all for fun and to make shitloads of money because posers across america will buy into my bullshit, so dont get to riled over my lyrics, ok?'. i must've skipped that part in the songs, my bad. those parental advisory labels are infallible as well, no one under 18 has ever listened to eminem, right? well... except you. half-life is a 16+ rated game, why are you playing it? its 'entertainment for grownups'. your defense of eminem gets weaker with every post you make.
Do you actually know how old I am? I really don't know where you are going with the whole you are a little kid theme but it won't get you anywhere. Who's fault is it that kids listen to Eminem's CDs? Eminem's? No, it's the parents fault and if you can't see that you have a problem. Sure, a kid will get a hold of a CD sometimes behind the parents back. Do we have to ban that CD because of that? If we do then we have to ban every movie that is rated R and every game that is rated M (including HL2).
sure i have... does that make it right? no. it doesnt matter if YOU find it offensive or not, homosexuals find it offensive. following your incompetent logic once more, to a sane person, calling someone a n1gg3r as an insult is not anti-black, if this was the case, blah blah blah. the fact that these obscenities are spout out in abundance from a public figure, who apparently has a strong influence on the weaker-minded, is ridiculous and irresponsible.
I'm glad you speak on behalf of all homosexuals. Should we start a boycot for any record that used the word stupid because some stupid people might have a problem with it? I already explained my logic as to why they shouldn't be offended earlier in this thread, please reread it as I won't repost it here.
lmao... i dont even think this merits a legitimate response. a movie is clearly a movie. as in, actors... acting out parts. as in fake. as in not real. does this need to be spelled out any further? when a musician, in a song, says he did/has done something, its usually assumed to be true. for instance, usher's single "confessions" talks about having a baby with his mistress or whatever. everyone thought it was real, until he publicly denied it. when an actor kills a person on screen in a movie, do you assume that he also kills people in real life? there is a far greater disconnect here than you cant apparently substantiate.
Do you realize how dumb you sound by saying that. Your argument for not comparing movies to music is that movie is a movie? Give me a freakin break here buddy. Sure an actor is an actor, a musician is a musician. Where on a record does it say the CD is fuctual? I know your response will be that it should say that, why doesn't it say it on movies then? I think you are dead wrong in assuming people believe that what is said on a CD is real. Most people have enough common sense to know otherwise. Sure, some stupid people thought that Usher was serious, as you pointed out he wasn't. That is exactly my point, music is music and 99% of the time a musician says something (in any genre) he/she doesn't mean it, it's simply there for entertainment.
actor kills a person on screen in a movie, do you assume that he also kills people in real life
No I don't. However, when a rapper kills someone in a song I also don't think he killed them in real life as I would hope 99% of the population does.
name one.
Tell me the type of music you listen to and I will be happy to.
i have every right to question their talent. they release their shit to the public. i am the public. i grade their talent and performance. i am what makes them money, or makes them broke. so yes, i have absolutely every right to call whomever i wish a no-talent assclown.
You are dead on there, you have the right to pay for the music or ignore it as I have the same choice with your type of music. However, no, you do not have a right to say they have no talent. If you produce a beat and write a verse I will give you full authority to critize them. I produce beats, I am not amazing at it but I like it. I can not imagine someone that never made a beat before coming up to me and saying I don't know what I am doing, hypocrite anyone? This is exactly what you are doing.
dude... if T.I. can make money off a shitty ass song like 'rubberband man, wild as the taliban', do you really think its an amazing accomplishment to get the masses to buy your records? wake up. there are way too many fools like you who love rap, of couse the market is there. if i wasn't white, i could do it myself. that's got to be the only reason i respect eminem, to an extent. he's got more 'talent' than the majority of rappers out there, and he's a white boy. so ya, 'props' to him. he was decent in 8 mile, so 'props to the double izzex' to him.
T.I. make money? I don't recall him selling that many CDs. I think T.I. sucks, you think he sucks, cool, but why do you feel you need to yell at anyone that listens to him?
hmm... good question. jurassic 5. sugarhill gang. a tribe called quest. outkast. there's a guy now, named 'twistah' or something like that, he did the 'slow jamz' song or whatever. he's a really fast rapper, so thats pretty cool. the only purpose rap serves now, is that fine ass chicks will strip and dance to it... other than that...
All good rappers, can't argue with that. Twista has a new CD out, check it out, it's a very good album.

I honestly don't know why I am having this discussion with you. You have the right to listen to what you want and I have a right to listen to what you like. Your reasoning for why Eminem shouldn't make music is that someone might take it the wrong way. If this is a valid reason lets all shut the **** up since someone might take what we say the wrong way, go out and kill someone, and then blame it on us.

I have never honestly met anyone that thought Eminem was being serious in his music. If someone thinks what he says is real they need to have their video game, music, movie, and TV privlages cut off right away. I'll tell you what, if you find one person on this message board that thinks Eminem or any type of music is litteral I will say I am wrong, burn all my eminem CDs, and start listening to country music.

You might not consider rap entertainment, I, along with millions of others, do. Please provide me with one GOOD reason as to why a movie is different than a song. Like I said, I think showing pictures of brains getting blown out is much more influancial than hearing about it. No where does a CD or a movie imply that it is fiction, this is assumed and it is something you learned when you were very little.
 
Jeebus, all the huge posts don't change the fact that the lyrics are only offensive to you if you are offended by them.

If they don't offend, then they don't. Whee!
 
Holy shit. That wasn't a song. It was the same 5 second melody played over and over for like, 5 friggin' minutes with some guy going on and on and on, violently, for a very long time.

:O

To who it may concern: Eminem does controversal stuff to make him rich, much like most other people who are rich. I personally hate the guy, but I'm not going to go around accusing every one of his listeners to be morons. But you must understand that he trys so hard to get into something controversal, all the damn time. And its all for the free publicity, yo.

He is kinda like Marilyn Manson and Salvador Dali, in some ways.
 
Erestheux said:
Holy shit. That wasn't a song. It was the same 5 second melody played over and over for like, 5 friggin' minutes with some guy going on and on and on, violently, for a very long time.

:O

To who it may concern: Eminem does controversal stuff to make him rich, much like most other people who are rich. I personally hate the guy, but I'm not going to go around accusing every one of his listeners to be morons. But you must understand that he trys so hard to get into something controversal, all the damn time. And its all for the free publicity, yo.

He is kinda like Marilyn Manson and Salvador Dali, in some ways.
Again you have to look at the fact of why he is controversial and it is not his fault. Lots of black rappers said the same things he did long before Eminem, why was there such an outrage simply because a white guy was saying these things now?
 
No Limit said:
Again you have to look at the fact of why he is controversial and it is not his fault. Lots of black rappers said the same things he did long before Eminem, why was there such an outrage simply because a white guy was saying these things now?
Did I say I was outraged?

Did I also say that I had no problem with black people doing it before "a white guy" did?

Where did I say this?! I must know!!
 
Erestheux said:
Did I say I was outraged?

Did I also say that I had no problem with black people doing it before "a white guy" did?

Where did I say this?! I must know!!
Dude, relax. I agreed with you, I am simply saying there shouldn't have been a controversy in the first place.
 
No Limit said:
Dude, relax. I agreed with you, I am simply saying there shouldn't have been a controversy in the first place.
Haha. Sorry. <3
 
Sometimes I like Eminem's songs before the millionth time I hear them.
 
I dont really like any of Eminem's music..I liked one song of his a while back and someone thought it would be a good idea to buy me the album for a present :hmph:
 
Tinneth said:
I dont really like any of Eminem's music..I liked one song of his a while back and someone thought it would be a good idea to buy me the album for a present :hmph:
He sometimes gets it right, on the whole, not very good though.
 
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