Ether Vortex Turbine.. I know how to build one.

[Reaktor4]

Reaktor, the quote did have relevance, but perhaps not the most obvious that you were thinking of. I was quoting him, and suggesting that perhaps people's unwillingness to move from the norm has meant that ideas such as what clarky is suggesting, get little coverage.

Youre sorta right about the coverage thing actually, i meant irrelevant to why theres no video.

The distinct lack of information on this is what strikes me as odd, but in a different way. Usually you would hear a lot more about stuff like this, but because there are those who simply cannot accept that it is possible, they don't want to hear about it...largely because it contradicts what they are saying.
The rules and theories we have to describe how the universe works, may seem closer to the real deal and the Theory of Everything than they ever have before, but just because they give a more accurate description of events, doesn't mean they are true.

Its probably more to do with there being no evidence at all of this working. If something like this is proven to work then it will get more coverage than britney spears stripping naked on tv would.

Now we so far haven't really seen much in the way of evidence of these claims, but why should we simply shun the ideas so harshly?

In this case there has been more than long enough for some sort of evidence, especially when there was apparently a working model made. Simply demonstrating the effect to the jref testers would win the prize and prove science wrong. Why has this not already been done?

Surely, their experimentation is not harming us in any way, and the possible benefits are astounding.

That is true but usually with things like this the 'inventor' makes some fake product and a shitload of money conning people out of it.

 

[we11er]

I believe.

:monkee:

 

[clarky003]

What a load of crap

in 20 years time at the latest when we cant sustain the energy to population requirement anymore with the conventional gas and oil that make up 40%, then these alternative forms of energy will be aloud to surface, if not before then, its only a matter of time,

with the concept of vaccum state, (which is scientifically proven to exist through affects observed) you can actually explain what is transpiring,, although its hard for 'flatlander's' to understand, one day you might. but the technology proves the vaccum state is real, and the physical is nothing more than a manifestation on a level our senses can percieve, it is 'not' reality,, it is to us.. but its just one facade in a vast sea of energy.

calling it crap is definately as ignorant as you can get,, and IMO its pretty obvious you'll be eating your pants when the technologies are forced to surface eventually, and people will have the chance to grasp another level of understand on what our universe is all about.

That is true but usually with things like this the 'inventor' makes some fake product and a shitload of money conning people out of it.

the material and crafting costs arnt cheap, atall, and usually people dont spend hundreds of thousands of pounds and dilegent life times on there findings when there trying to con people,, and to what end would you expect to get to..? payment upfront, investment upfront? without a working prototype,, it would be much better also to check thoroughly before making wild accusations of fraud.

 

[we11er]

About this reality/perception stuff, didn't they observe something about neutrinos, that space actually consists of neutrinos just vibrating at a different rate? So the only difference between substance and nothing is the vibratory rate? And then when scientists observed the neutrinos to see why they would be one thing at one moment, and another the next, that they always become what they are expected to become... or something. So they are affected by the things percieving them.

wow, that can't have made sense but I'll post it anyway!

 

[Reaktor4]

in 20 years time at the latest when we cant sustain the energy to population requirement anymore with the conventional gas and oil that make up 40%, then these alternative forms of energy will be aloud to surface, if not before then, its only a matter of time,

with the concept of vaccum state, (which is scientifically proven to exist through affects observed) you can actually explain what is transpiring,, although its hard for 'flatlander's' to understand, one day you might. but the technology proves the vaccum state is real, and the physical is nothing more than a manifestation on a level our senses can percieve, it is 'not' reality,, it is to us.. but its just one facade in a vast sea of energy.

calling it crap is definately as ignorant as you can get,, and IMO its pretty obvious you'll be eating your pants when the technologies are forced to surface eventually, and people will have the chance to grasp another level of understand on what our universe is all about.

Why didnt you answer the rest of what i said? And if youre trying to call me closed minded you can **** off because im not.

the material and crafting costs arnt cheap, atall, and usually people dont spend hundreds of thousands of pounds and dilegent life times on there findings when there trying to con people,, and to what end would you expect to get to..? payment upfront, investment upfront? without a working prototype,, it would be much better also to check thoroughly before making wild accusations of fraud.

I dont remember accusing anyone of fraud in this case. Must be all the weed i smoke or something. Quote?

 

[clarky003]

didnt answer the rest cause ive heard it so many times before, and you cant seem to fathom or address the problems that suppress these ideas and devices, you only need to look at the human condition and see the way the world is powered, and being run, to begin to understand. If you cant see the problems that the technology would cause oil company's and the balance of power in the world, and why they would want to try as hard as they could to stop it being proved or shown to the masses, then your not looking deep enough.

its way more important than cannibis company's suppressing stuff, this is world power and control were talking about. Energy generation is at the very core of it all.


i didnt call you closed minded, i was merely pointing,, and not at one time did i use cursive's to answer back :/

if you do smoke weed i suggest you give it up.. , seemed like you were hinting at fraud, but sorry if i miss read you

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Heh... to all you calling this crap.

My physics teacher has several times in my lessons that our perception of the universe is changing continually. He also said he expected our sylabus to change drasticly in the next 5 to 10 years. (I.e major changes in our understanding of matter... time etc)


And if you think he is some crackpot.... he aint. He worked at nasa for several years... and ive seen the photos. (He had a headset and everythin!!! )


:cheers:



Oh and I don't know exactly what to believe.....

 

[Reaktor4]

didnt answer the rest cause ive heard it so many times before, and you cant seem to fathom or address the problems that suppress these ideas and devices, you only need to look at the human condition and see the way the world is powered, and being run, to begin to understand. If you cant see the problems that the technology would cause oil company's and the balance of power in the world, and why they would want to try as hard as they could to stop it being proved or shown to the masses, then your not looking deep enough.

its way more important than cannibis company's suppressing stuff, this is world power and control were talking about. Energy generation is at the very core of it all.


i didnt call you closed minded, i was merely pointing,, and not at one time did i use cursive's to answer back :/

Oh ffs... I already said i can see why they would want to supress something like this and that they have done the same thing in the past (and are continuing to). But i can not see how they are supressing this, and you have not one shred of evidence of them doing this either else you would have posted it already i reckon.

if you do smoke weed i suggest you give it up..

I suggest you mind your own business and dont tell me what to do.

seemed like you were hinting at fraud, but sorry if i miss read you

I dont see how they could really con people out of money with this thing.

 

[Reaktor4]

Heh... to all you calling this crap.

My physics teacher has several times in my lessons that our perception of the universe is changing continually. He also said he expected our sylabus to change drasticly in the next 5 to 10 years. (I.e major changes in our understanding of matter... time etc)


And if you think he is some crackpot.... he aint. He worked at nasa for several years... and ive seen the photos. (He had a headset and everythin!!! )

I would agree with him.. i dont believe in time at all

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

I would agree with him.. i dont believe in time at all

You know what i meant....

 

[Reaktor4]

You know what i meant....

Yes. Not sure i know what you mean now though.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Yes. Not sure i know what you mean now though.

That might be because I need sleep.


I'll come back tomorrow and attempt to make inteligent convosation. Till then. Bu bye!!

 

[we11er]

The fact is, we have no idea how the universe works. These rules of physics, where are they defined, how do they work?

We just don't know. *Everything* we see in this world is a result of the fundamentals, and if we don't know how the fundamentals work, we know jack shit about anything. That basically sums it up.

We have to realise this and allow ourselves to ponder anything and everything that may be possible. Only then can we make any progress in figuring this stuff out. No point in boxing ourselves into our current belief systems. Belief is a powerful thing indeed.

 

[leadfish]

Wow...best thread ever. clarky003, I sincerely hope you're able to get somewhere with a prototype as I find this sort of advanced/experimental kind of physics incredibly interesting. Don't let this thread die

 

[Brian Damage]

I really just want my antigravity flight belt... or backpack... or shoes...

 

[Razor]

clarky003, I sincerely hope you're able to get somewhere with a prototype as I find this sort of advanced/experimental kind of physics incredibly interesting. Don't let this thread die

My sentiments exactly. A lot of people don't like change and adopt the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy, which is wrong.


Goodluck with your flying saucer, lmy offer of the £1000 investment is still up as well :thumbs:

 

[Tr0n]

The fact is, we have no idea how the universe works. These rules of physics, where are they defined, how do they work?

We just don't know. *Everything* we see in this world is a result of the fundamentals, and if we don't know how the fundamentals work, we know jack shit about anything. That basically sums it up.

We have to realise this and allow ourselves to ponder anything and everything that may be possible. Only then can we make any progress in figuring this stuff out. No point in boxing ourselves into our current belief systems. Belief is a powerful thing indeed.

As farrow once said..."There isn't a laws of physics book for dummies".We are a young race...hell..we haven't sent a manned mission to mars yet.So there is still a lot more we have to learn about space and the universe.

 

[clarky003]

well thanks for your support, im actually quite skeptical of how it will turn out myself, but with decent understanding of what zero point is , it actually makes more sense than anything else in terms of universal operation, ...

+ we really need to bite back at governments and certain 'elite' people to obtain the truth on what kind of technological state we are actually in, despite what we deem to be advanced for the time being there are black project's that take place, funded by the tax payer (installations such as area 51 arnt free),

The worst I can fathom is that some people will build and abuse it, to make weapons for power, or even worse.. weaponising space :/,, i swear if Townsend browns gravitor, and Searl's device get abused for anything else but good, the people behind it should be strung up, or atleast exposed.

enough of that, i can see that people will build it being scared of what others might do if they had the same technology, if thats the case and we still think so immaturely , we / certain groups really shouldnt be messing with it in the first place...

it has the potential to be great in the right hands, it also has the potential to be horrific in the wrong hands, Ruthless people usually have all the power, I actually hope the human race segregates itself for the safety of those who dont wish to use technology like this for selfish gain , fear , and power... I hope we can grow up and use it for an abundant means to travel great distances, and supply our need for energy.

One things for sure, If it really does work, we'll have intresting times up ahead,

 

[DoctorGordon3]

well thanks for your support, im actually quite skeptical of how it will turn out myself, but with decent understanding of what zero point is , it actually makes more sense than anything else in terms of universal operation, ...

+ we really need to bite back at governments and certain 'elite' people to obtain the truth on what kind of technological state we are actually in, despite what we deem to be advanced for the time being there are black project's that take place, funded by the tax payer (installations such as area 51 arnt free),

The worst I can fathom is that some people will build and abuse it, to make weapons for power, or even worse.. weaponising space :/,, i swear if Townsend browns gravitor, and Searl's device get abused for anything else but good, the people behind it should be strung up, or atleast exposed.

enough of that, i can see that people will build it being scared of what others might do if they had the same technology, if thats the case and we still think so immaturely , we / certain groups really shouldnt be messing with it in the first place...

it has the potential to be great in the right hands, it also has the potential to be horrific in the wrong hands, Ruthless people usually have all the power, I actually hope the human race segregates itself for the safety of those who dont wish to use technology like this for selfish gain , fear , and power... I hope we can grow up and use it for an abundant means to travel great distances, and supply our need for energy.

One things for sure, If it really does work, we'll have intresting times up ahead,

Well said

 

[huntingbear]

well thanks for your support, im actually quite skeptical of how it will turn out myself, but with decent understanding of what zero point is , it actually makes more sense than anything else in terms of universal operation, ...

+ we really need to bite back at governments and certain 'elite' people to obtain the truth on what kind of technological state we are actually in, despite what we deem to be advanced for the time being there are black project's that take place, funded by the tax payer (installations such as area 51 arnt free),

The worst I can fathom is that some people will build and abuse it, to make weapons for power, or even worse.. weaponising space :/,, i swear if Townsend browns gravitor, and Searl's device get abused for anything else but good, the people behind it should be strung up, or atleast exposed.

enough of that, i can see that people will build it being scared of what others might do if they had the same technology, if thats the case and we still think so immaturely , we / certain groups really shouldnt be messing with it in the first place...

it has the potential to be great in the right hands, it also has the potential to be horrific in the wrong hands, Ruthless people usually have all the power, I actually hope the human race segregates itself for the safety of those who dont wish to use technology like this for selfish gain , fear , and power... I hope we can grow up and use it for an abundant means to travel great distances, and supply our need for energy.

One things for sure, If it really does work, we'll have intresting times up ahead,

ya know what would be great? you're an engineer right? well make a little sketch of this device and how it could possibly be contained in an "engine-room" or have a buddy do it...i'd love to see this thing vs. the image I have in my head

 

[Gray Fox]

Feroowlessparrow

have to say, I don't know a lot of the theory behind all this...But I do know a little about history, and about how humans think. Most human beings are simply unwilling to accept change like this. We live in comfort zones, and we do not wish to leave them...Regardless of how comfortable the comfort zone might be, it is simply what we are accustomed to and we make every effort to stick with it. Now you look back at our past and you can cleary see how people have tried to keep with the status quo.

People do that only when something disturbing and unpleasant is discoverd, most people would really really like to believe we could get free energy, and another things is that in science mags far more disturbing and wierd technilogies are discussed and explained than these zero-point energy devices, the only difference is that they have been emphericly proofed to work.

About this reality/perception stuff, didn't they observe something about neutrinos, that space actually consists of neutrinos just vibrating at a different rate? So the only difference between substance and nothing is the vibratory rate? And then when scientists observed the neutrinos to see why they would be one thing at one moment, and another the next, that they always become what they are expected to become... or something. So they are affected by the things percieving them.

wow, that can't have made sense but I'll post it anyway!

Your mixing the string, supersrting theory with neutrino particles, the superstring theory is one theory that some scientists think could be the allinone theory or atleast it will explain more than the relativity theory, because it combins the einsteins theachings with quantum physics, anyway the say that the universe is made of incredibly small wibriting strings or something like that.

Heh... to all you calling this crap.

My physics teacher has several times in my lessons that our perception of the universe is changing continually. He also said he expected our sylabus to change drasticly in the next 5 to 10 years. (I.e major changes in our understanding of matter... time etc)


And if you think he is some crackpot.... he aint. He worked at nasa for several years... and ive seen the photos. (He had a headset and everythin!!! )






Oh and I don't know exactly what to believe.....

Dude you have a cool theacher, but that what he said is nothing new, scienteist know about it since thousands of years and all take that in to account, the reason we still use empheric science is simple, it is the simples tand best way to convince our peers of our right, if it weren't so that every loony could make anyhing up and call it true, which actually would make more scence but also cause anarchy.
Anyway here is a post I made to clarcky back in the days when I thought he was sane( :smoking: ) about them science theories.

Clarkey you’re taking this discussion to a whole another level.
You’re getting in to science philosophy here. As far as I can see most people here follow standard science but you are more inclined at the feyerabend and lakatos philosophy, the only way you people can make reasonable arguments against each others theories is if you involve science philosophy in it.
The best thing would be if one of you folks made another thread about this, if you feel like talking about this ,it would certainly be a interesting discussion. In any case here are some interesting internet sites to help this underway.

http://www.all-science-fair-project...pirical_methods ( the standard and most popular and least complex view that most people here follow)

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Logical_positivism (critic about this view)
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/ ( one of the main criticizers)

http://www.emory.edu/EDUCATION/mfp/kuhnsyn.html ( another scientific philosophy, the paradigm theory)

http://huizen.daxis.nl/~henkt/poppe...ontroverse.html ( debate amongst Kuhn and Popper)

http://www.all-science-fair-project...Paul_Feyerabend ( about Feyerabend)

I know I’m going off topic, but I saw the arguments between you people and thought they were useless unless you involve these theories, once again it would be better if there was a separate thread about this.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Feroowlessparrow
People do that only when something disturbing and unpleasant is discoverd, most people would really really like to believe we could get free energy, and another things is that in science mags far more disturbing and wierd technilogies are discussed and explained than these zero-point energy devices, the only difference is that they have been emphericly proofed to work..

No, they don't. If you don't see it already then its difficult for me to explain however people really do simply opt for ignorance when it comes to new ideas like this. Life makes a cynic of us all, and its only with effort that you can really see the potential for good in most ideas as most of the time we say how much we would love for something to be true, but...well, there is always a but .

As for the science mags.... This links in with the previous point in that people stick with the tried and tested technique because they know it works. Who ever heard of a science project that has no possible chance of working being funded...The best discoveries are made when we aren't looking for them. Science isn't simply living by what we know, its about constantly looking to what we don't know and even what we know can't be possible. Just because something is the popular belief, doesn't mean we should just leave it at that. In Science journals, as I briefly said in a previous post, you expect to hear about new ideas and theories that are floating around. However, if people don't like the idea or are simply uncomfortable with it (We are all cynics remember ) then they won't talk about it in a promising light. It takes a surprising small amount of effort to make something unpopular, you just have to play on people's fears.


Now that post doesn't entirely address what you said, but I think you can pick out my meanings from it.

 

[Gray Fox]

No, they don't. If you don't see it already then its difficult for me to explain however people really do simply opt for ignorance when it comes to new ideas like this. Life makes a cynic of us all, and its only with effort that you can really see the potential for good in most ideas as most of the time we say how much we would love for something to be true, but...well, there is always a but .

We'll just have to agree to disagree, :thumbs: :cheers: :cheers:

As for the science mags.... This links in with the previous point in that people stick with the tried and tested technique because they know it works. Who ever heard of a science project that has no possible chance of working being funded...The best discoveries are made when we aren't looking for them. Science isn't simply living by what we know, its about constantly looking to what we don't know and even what we know can't be possible. Just because something is the popular belief, doesn't mean we should just leave it at that. In Science journals, as I briefly said in a previous post, you expect to hear about new ideas and theories that are floating around. However, if people don't like the idea or are simply uncomfortable with it (We are all cynics remember ) then they won't talk about it in a promising light. It takes a surprising small amount of effort to make something unpopular, you just have to play on people's fears.

Dude like I said the mags have given attention to far wierder things, they are writtin by scientist, they are not like the general public they are a lot more open to ideas, all the guy has to do is to film how his thing is working and thats it, do you really believe scientist don't want this to be true, offcourse they do, it would ne wonderfull, thse loonys just simply use fancy words and formulas that any normal scientist can see trough to try to convince the general public that it is possible, and when someone who knows his physics lets them know they are wrong they turn to perception reasonings, while they probably don't even understand anything about science philosophy,the reason this device is not allready in every home is because it doesn't work, the only way free energy can be supressed is when someone who doesn't want it to happen discovers it or a corrupt government, clarcky also posted a link to another guy who claimed that he could do the same thing with his MEG device, that was supposedly pattented allready in 2002 and was supposed to be in production within a year. Well I don't see it, nothing could surpress this kind of a discovery, and it isn't beeing surpressd because otherwise we wouldn't have found out about this at all.
The reason the science mags have not givin attention to this guy is simply because it's easy to see he is full of bs.

 

[Razor]

well thanks for your support, im actually quite skeptical of how it will turn out myself, but with decent understanding of what zero point is , it actually makes more sense than anything else in terms of universal operation, ...

+ we really need to bite back at governments and certain 'elite' people to obtain the truth on what kind of technological state we are actually in, despite what we deem to be advanced for the time being there are black project's that take place, funded by the tax payer (installations such as area 51 arnt free),

The worst I can fathom is that some people will build and abuse it, to make weapons for power, or even worse.. weaponising space :/,, i swear if Townsend browns gravitor, and Searl's device get abused for anything else but good, the people behind it should be strung up, or atleast exposed.

enough of that, i can see that people will build it being scared of what others might do if they had the same technology, if thats the case and we still think so immaturely , we / certain groups really shouldnt be messing with it in the first place...

it has the potential to be great in the right hands, it also has the potential to be horrific in the wrong hands, Ruthless people usually have all the power, I actually hope the human race segregates itself for the safety of those who dont wish to use technology like this for selfish gain , fear , and power... I hope we can grow up and use it for an abundant means to travel great distances, and supply our need for energy.

One things for sure, If it really does work, we'll have intresting times up ahead,

If it wasn't for all these war mongering presidents in the Us and the cold war, and Hitler, etc, do you really think the human race would of achieved half the things we have in this century or ever? Governments are only willing to spend the billions of £s on defensive and offensive capabilities because no one else can afford to, and nothing motivates a government spending plan like war mongering.

 

[we11er]

See what I don't get is why we still have nukes.

Never will they be used. If one country fires one at another, that country can't just fire one back, that's ridiculous and would herald the end of the world.

Terrorists? you might say. Well if we get rid of nukes, there's less around to get into their hands isn't there?

There really is no need AT ALL for having nukes.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Yes....however people don't see it that way. They don't want to let their guard down in case they get burned.

One country with a nuke among countries without, is far more powerful than a country with 10,000 nukes among countries with 1 each. Everybody wants one so that can have a say....It is after all a lot easier to be heard when you have a pointy stick menacing above someone.

 

[Dan]

but put yourself in tesla's shoes, he found something he couldnt believe existed, electricity,, it just so happened the people that introduced it to the world exploited it's less efficient form of use, in coal powered generators, as Tesla supposedly had already found out stranger occurances,, Tesla documented the scalar wave form before anyone and found evidence of zero point in his experiments, but those methods are just not in the best intrests for profit, creating dependence and exploitation for power.

But Tesla was also certifiably off his rocker. I guess the two go hand in hand.

 

[clarky003]

Yes....however people don't see it that way. They don't want to let their guard down in case they get burned.

One country with a nuke among countries without, is far more powerful than a country with 10,000 nukes among countries with 1 each. Everybody wants one so that can have a say....It is after all a lot easier to be heard when you have a pointy stick menacing above someone.

its a horrible gutter we have sunk into, un- stoppable almost, and our intelligence and our 'formative mind' isnt responsible, its fear and basic emotion driving our action's . I know its sort of pointless stating the obvious.. but it kinda proves from our cave men ancestors to the present day, other than improve our quality of life through whatever means, we still havnt really grown up atall.. but im not refering to everyone, just a conformist majority that couldnt care less.

But Tesla was also certifiably off his rocker. I guess the two go hand in hand.

I agree, like the nutters who once said the world was round. In my mind , he was a genius who was not affraid of thinking outside the box who was conformed by other peoples more ruthless, and dominant motives

 

[Gray Fox]

The line between genious and insanity is often blurred, I'll grant you that, but the scientist community is much more open now that it used to be, they learned from their mistakes. Besides with the advent of the net, it is hard to surpress new discoveries, well atleast until Bush approves of the "Freedom Act", then little brother is screwed.

 

[Maxi]

Did you build one?

 

[Tr0n]

Old thread, but I'm wondering the same. Build one yet?

 

[Beerdude26]

Ok what in the complete hell is an Ether Vortex Turbine???

And, more important, can I have one?

 

[jverne]

clarky...sorry...but you don't know a shit in physics! post some math you did on this project!?...i bet you couldn't even measure the tolerances needed for that rings of yours to fit together! you just like to belive in something! you're trying to tell me that someone whos not even 18 will make a contraption that will totally revolutionize the universe?! even einstein, who was a much bigger brain than you, couldn't spit much more than E=mc2 out!! come on man, give yourself a break!

maybe if someone like einstein would try to sell this to me, then maybe i'd give it a tought!

sorry...didn't mean to offend you or anything...it's just that you spend too much talking and less making!

at least design your project in autocad with realistic measures, give us a mathematical explanation of your project or something...anything that would make this idea of yours more credible!

 

[baron insig]

*SLAP*

stop whining this is hl2.net we pwn the world with revolution

price of oil going up? that was us we needed more servers to support our brain child, Google

 

[clarky003]

oh dear, i dont have to go through explaining any of this... Jverne learn something about scalar electromagnetic's.. Ive already built a lifter and tested that, it works.. i dont have the money to go investing and researching more exotic technological claims at the moment, im only a student. chill out.. its not like physic's knows all , infact physic's knows shit all most 'modern' theory's are over 100 years old, mainstream physic's doesnt even investigate because the large majority still think that vacuum is inert, atleast maxwell assumed that and people followed, It was proved wrong this century.

vacuum is dynamic you dont need math to figure that one out.. you can see that the electron is getting its energy from somewhere, and scalar waves are detectable . Dont yell 'bollocks' till you can disprove peoples claims by studying the technology yourself.. its ignorant , stupid, and constitutes bad science.

who dug this thread up anyway.. lol? close it mods if you wish