Euthanasia

[el Chi]

Oh, and don't forget who started a huge euthansia program, yup, good ole' Hitler (Weeee! Playing the Hitler card is fun)

Your attempt to "play the Hitler card" when it's so obviously inconsequential to the debate as a whole is offensive. Your spurious point is undermined further by the fact that you fully acknowledged that it was bollocks in the first place. Well done. Well done, indeed.

My grandmother passed away today, she never really recovered from that hip surgery

Sorry to hear that, mate - hope you're well.

 

[Calanen]

i want to know why they are starving her to death? i agree with letting her die (because thats what she wanted), but why didnt they just give her the lethal injection to make it quicker?

Because that would be known as MURDER...........

 

[Calanen]

Oh, and don't forget who started a huge euthansia program, yup, good ole' Hitler (Weeee! Playing the Hitler card is fun)

Euthenasia has been around in most cultures and most societies long before Hitler did anything. And hitler killing people was not about hospice type care - but was wholesale murder of people the regime did not like.

That said, I do not know whether the NSDAP supported euthenasia for Aryans. Ie Aryan grandma gets sick the Nazi doctor finishes her off? Does anyone know this? Even if they had - the Nazis also invented the modern highway. Just because they did that, does not mean that Highways = Nazis, nor that Euthenasia is a nazi policy.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Because that would be known as MURDER

I think that to be honest she is already dead. If there is a place between, she is stuck there. Technically no, she is not dead, but the movements are as explained previously. It is quacks like the ones bringing her water in a cup or sandwiches... they are trying the pretend that she is alive and well, even though for all practical reasons she is dead.

Originally Posted by KoreBolteR
i want to know why they are starving her to death? i agree with letting her die (because thats what she wanted), but why didnt they just give her the lethal injection to make it quicker?

Becuase that is illegal in America. I agree, i think starving her is not the best, but keeping her clinically alive is BS too, IMHO. Her spot in the Hospital is just one less they have when people need one.

 

[Calanen]

I think that to be honest she is already dead.

Earlier in the thread I said she was dead but alive. But the law still considers her to be alive. That means, that administering any substance to hasten her death would be murder potentially. Which is why you cannot do it. My comment was in response to the guy who said why can't we just give her a lethal injection. Not saying that taking this women's feeding tube was murder.

 

[OCybrManO]

I missed the actual discussion with Kerberos... but, from what I've been able to put together through reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that if he were to attempt to defend himself in a court of law on charges of petit larceny for stealing a pack of bubblegum he would probably be thrown in jail for contempt of court in addition to getting the maximum sentence possible. I'm honestly surprised at the amount of patience afforded to him for the first half of the thread or so...

 

[Cocoa Dart]

To call Terri a vegetable is to rob her of her humanity. So what if she cant talk? She can be happy or sad, she can make eye contact with you and recognize you, she does not deserve to starve to death. It would be onsidered cruel and unusual punishment to starve a murderer to death. What did she do to anyone? nothing, but she gets it worse than a murderer. Do you think that because she cant talk and is a parapaligic that that means she cant feel hunger pains or dehydration? Murderers get a lethal injection where they dont feel a thing, what is happening to terri is worse murder than an injection.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Well, first i don't believe anything you say and second if Euthnasia was legal she wouldn't have had to suffer now would she?

 

[Calanen]

To call Terri a vegetable is to rob her of her humanity.

Any humanity she had was long gone from the time of her injury. Now its just a tortured existence.

Her case is a good one to remind people of the dangers of not eating properly. It can lead to heart attacks and brain damage - even if you are young as she was.

 

[Apos]

To call Terri a vegetable is to rob her of her humanity.

Her humanity was robbed by her bulimia.

So what if she cant talk?

Dude, are you really this brainwashed. Can't talk? She can't THINK. She doesn't have cogntive processes. Her cerebral cortex is FLATLINE EEG.

She can be happy or sad, she can make eye contact with you and recognize you, she does not deserve to starve to death.

All of these are reflexes, not conscious decisions or reactions.

It would be onsidered cruel and unusual punishment to starve a murderer to death.

That is because for them, it is a punishment. For Terri, it is in accordance with her wishes that she not be maintained indefinately like this for no medical purpose.

Do you think that because she cant talk and is a parapaligic that that means she cant feel hunger pains or dehydration?

You've been pretty well lied to I see. Watch too much Foxnews I guess. It isn't that she can't talk or is parapaligic (I don't think she is the latter anyway). It is that her brain is massively atrophied away and she's in a PVS. That's why she can't feel pain. She isn't in there to feel it.

Again. Terri is not like a mentally retarded person. She is not like someone that can't talk. She isn't like someone who is paralyzed. She is someone who has sustained such massive brain damage that it's wiped out most of her higher brain, leaving no function, and no evidence of cognition.

 

[Calanen]

That's why she can't feel pain. She isn't in there to feel it.

Still open to debate whether she can feel pain - as indicated in the medical testimony earlier in thread. No one can ever know for sure - but there were several good indications that her body was feeling pain.

 

[Apos]

Still open to debate whether she can feel pain - as indicated in the medical testimony earlier in thread. No one can ever know for sure - but there were several good indications that her body was feeling pain.

This is not the same thing as her feeling pain. Certainly pain signals can travel up towards the brain. They can trigger spinal-based reflexes. They can even trigger motor cortex responses. But the areas of the brain that FEEL pain, that turn it into a sensation that is _experienced_: those are gone. There is nothing to debate. No brain, no pain in any meaningful sense.

 

[Absinthe]

Terri Schiavo has just passed away.

 

[Calanen]

This is not the same thing as her feeling pain. Certainly pain signals can travel up towards the brain. They can trigger spinal-based reflexes. They can even trigger motor cortex responses. But the areas of the brain that FEEL pain, that turn it into a sensation that is _experienced_: those are gone. There is nothing to debate. No brain, no pain in any meaningful sense.

Did you read the affidavit I posted earlier in the thread? A nuerologist disagrees with your conclusions.