**** fashion

[Raziaar]

Who says black shoes can't go with brown pants?

I ****ing think brown and black are great colors together.

Why is the fashion world so stupid? Why does everybody obsess over the fashion faux pas that always have a tendency to change with whatever ****ing month it is?

And why do I listen to them?

WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH BLACK SHOES AND BROWN PANTS?

 

[Vegeta897]

Things getting tense at the girl scouts?

 

[Raziaar]

Things getting tense at the girl scouts?

No. I just bought brown shoes because I want to occasionally wear Khaki pants so I can wear my black polo and not be decked out in all black... WHICH I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST, BUT APPARENTLY DRESSING IN ALL BLACK IS A FASHION FAUX PAS unless you can "pull it off".

I also bought brown socks to wear with my brown shoes, because apparently wearing black socks while wearing brown shoes and khaki pants is a fashion faux pas.

 

[Vegeta897]

I was sort of indirectly asking who told you this and why it's got you so worked up.

 

[Krynn72]

Why do you give a shit?

 

[morgs]

Yeah! **** fashion!

So who else is wearing sweat pants

 

[Raziaar]

Why do you give a shit?

Because I care deeply what other people think and say, and I can't not think that way.

I was sort of indirectly asking who told you this and why it's got you so worked up.

Noone.

Yeah! **** fashion!

So who else is wearing sweat pants

At least the type of clothing to wear is less asinine than what colors you should wear.

Like the whole "DON'T WEAR WHITE AFTER LABOR DAY!" bullshit.

 

[Unfocused]

Raz, are you having an argument with yourself? Did you just match black shoes with brown pants and then snap at yourself for doing so?

I don't see how black and brown can't go together tbh.

 

[Bad^Hat]

Raz you are the oldest teenager I know.

 

[Raziaar]

Raz you are the oldest teenager I know.

Teenager?

 

[DEATHMASTER]

OLDEST teenager.

 

[Krynn72]

Teenager?

If you don't match your shoe and pants colors correctly, you'll feel so dumb when walking by the cool kids table in the cafeteria. All the girls will laugh and point, and then the jocks will throw a football at your head and call you a dork when you drop your tray and spill your lunch everywhere.

And then the principal will come over and yell at the kids while whisking your teary-eyed self away. "Sir" the principal will say "Its been almost a decade since you were these kid's age. Don't you think you should move on with your life?"

And then you'll walk out of there like a boss, not even giving a **** what color your shoes are.

 

[Raziaar]

I guess the business world, it's very much like being in school. Exception being "cool" is now being "professional".

I guess if I want to look REAL ****ing professional I'll buy shoes with leather soles. BECAUSE NOTHING SAYS UNPROFESSIONAL LIKE RUBBER SOLES!

**** YOUR LEATHER ****ING SOLES.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

 

[Maestro]

You're mistaking style for fashion. It's expensive and stupid to dress high fashion. It's not very hard to dress with style, Raz. The reason we have these conventions is because they are visually pleasing to the eye, and it's a sign of wealth and social success when a man or woman dresses well.

http://www.realmenrealstyle.com/
http://www.effortlessgent.com/

Check out these websites. Effortless Gent's author also has a really good book "Graduating Your Style" for building a quality wardrobe ground-up without much money spent.

 

[Raziaar]

You're mistaking style for fashion. It's expensive and stupid to dress high fashion. It's not very hard to dress with style, Raz. The reason we have these conventions is because they are visually pleasing to the eye, and it's a sign of wealth and social success when a man or woman dresses well.

http://www.realmenrealstyle.com/
http://www.effortlessgent.com/

Check out these websites. Effortless Gent's author also has a really good book "Graduating Your Style" for building a quality wardrobe ground-up without much money spent.

I'm fully aware of Real Men Real Style. I agree with a lot of what he says but find a lot of his shit to be exactly that... bullshit.

Brown and black together ARE visually pleasing to my eye.

Sorry but most signs of wealth and social success over the years are total bullshit... and most plays heavily into consumerism more than anything. Brand recognition bullshit.

 

[Maestro]

I'm fully aware of Real Men Real Style. I agree with a lot of what he says but find a lot of his shit to be exactly that... bullshit.

Brown and black together ARE visually pleasing to my eye.

Sorry but most signs of wealth and social success over the years are total bullshit... and most plays heavily into consumerism more than anything. Brand recognition bullshit.

It really doesn't play into that at all. This has been a characteristic of human social groups for thousands of years: wealthy people wear nice clothes and own nice things. Style is influenced by fashion, but style doesn't change much across one man's lifetime. There are men you see in the street every day of your life wearing suits that are older than you that still look great. Investing in good-quality clothes that last a long time AND look good is the antithesis of consumerism. It often requires patronizing a good, local tailor and spending a lot at once and reaping the benefits of quality over time. If that's consumerism, then that's news to me. A good quality wardrobe is my "**** you" to throwaway culture.

As an aside, the real problem with black/brown shoes/belt is that it introduces dissonance into the color palette and doesn't look good. You CAN wear a pair of brown wingtips or belt with black clothing, it just takes some balancing. The idea that black and brown are mutually exclusive is a rule of thumb, and no more. The problem is that you have to know the rules pretty well before you can break them in a way that doesn't look terrible.

As to socks, well you can get away with a LOT. "A businessman's socks match the occasion, a gentleman's socks match his mood," I like to say. I personally prefer understated looks, so I don't go for stuff like http://footcardigan.com/ <---this but it's something anyone can get away with if he has to dress nice regularly.

 

[Vegeta897]

God damn, where did this come from? Have you been waiting for a thread about this kind of thing?

 

[Maestro]

God damn, where did this come from? Have you been waiting for a thread about this kind of thing?

No, I'm just knowledgeable on the subject and like to dress well. Unfortunately I can't dress very nicely since I am a broke student and my measurements keep changing from weight lifting.

EDIT: I'm not very knowledgeable, just knowledgeable.

 

[Raziaar]

It really doesn't play into that at all. This has been a characteristic of human social groups for thousands of years: wealthy people wear nice clothes and own nice things. Style is influenced by fashion, but style doesn't change much across one man's lifetime. There are men you see in the street every day of your life wearing suits that are older than you that still look great. Investing in good-quality clothes that last a long time AND look good is the antithesis of consumerism. It often requires patronizing a good, local tailor and spending a lot at once and reaping the benefits of quality over time. If that's consumerism, then that's news to me. A good quality wardrobe is my "**** you" to throwaway culture.

As an aside, the real problem with black/brown shoes/belt is that it introduces dissonance into the color palette and doesn't look good. You CAN wear a pair of brown wingtips or belt with black clothing, it just takes some balancing. The idea that black and brown are mutually exclusive is a rule of thumb, and no more. The problem is that you have to know the rules pretty well before you can break them in a way that doesn't look terrible.

As to socks, well you can get away with a LOT. "A businessman's socks match the occasion, a gentleman's socks match his mood," I like to say. I personally prefer understated looks, so I don't go for stuff like http://footcardigan.com/ <---this but it's something anyone can get away with if he has to dress nice regularly.

Quality has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Women for example, the highest fashion most desired coveted clothing is not well made at all. It's poorly constructed with poor materials. That's how it is with most of the clothing for women... doesn't get the same quality and attention that mens clothing does.

I like quality. I buy quality. I like durable clothes and I need durable clothes, so I buy durable clothes. The rubber soles on my dress shoes are of good quality and they're durable. But there's this tacky notion that rubber soles are "unprofessional" and that one should have leather soles. But you gotta baby that shit, you can't wear it in poor weather conditions or they'll get ruined.

My post is mainly about the completely arbitrary factors of fashion or style or whatever the **** you want to call it. The colors. Just because hoards of fashionistas say that you shouldn't match this color with this color, or to stay away from this color if it's month x or you have the body shape of y, doesn't make it fact.

It's ****ing ridiculous I say. Just because brown and black is said to not go together, doesn't mean it's a fact. I ****ing love brown and black together. And that's why I'm saying **** fashion.

But at the same time I care what other people think about me because I'm a thin skinned asshole, and so to avoid people thinking I'm "too unprofessional", I bought a pair of brown shoes to wear whenever I wear brown pants.

It's just, the whole nothing of certain colors, certain TRIVIAL elements of clothing or accessories being "professional or unprofessional", I find retarded.

I find professionalism to be in the attitude, not in the appearance.

 

[Vegeta897]

I think you aren't really understanding what Maestro is saying. Style is different than fashion. You talking about what colors match or don't match really has nothing to do with fashion trends. It's basic style. Colors are a very basic thing. Yes, people saying "color x is so in this year!" is fashion, but the topic you've presented is not fashion, it's simple color aesthetics.

Of course professionalism is in the attitude. But you started a thread about clothes.

 

[morgs]

Dressing well to show wealth is a pretty good way to get ahead in life, I mean, look at all those rich folks on the Titanic, they're probably the best dressed people on the Atlantic sea floor!

 

[Raziaar]

I think you aren't really understanding what Maestro is saying. Style is different than fashion. You talking about what colors match or don't match really has nothing to do with fashion trends. It's basic style. Colors are a very basic thing. Yes, people saying "color x is so in this year!" is fashion, but the topic you've presented is not fashion, it's simple color aesthetics.

Of course professionalism is in the attitude. But you started a thread about clothes.

I think color aesthetics are far more relative than you're thinking.

What the **** is aesthetically unpleasing about black shoes with brown pants?

It's not a thread about clothes so much as it is about the colors of clothes. Also the concept that certain colors are more professional than others is ridiculous when you're talking about such conservative colors as browns and blacks. A dude wearing a hot pink suit? Okay I might agree with that being unprofessional looking but come on.

 

[Vegeta897]

I don't claim to be an expert. I don't know anything about what clothes or colors look good. I'd have to see some context to be able to judge anything really.

 

[Krynn72]

http://elitedaily.com/elite/2012/elite-style-pet-peeves/

I like how most of the examples they have pictures for are of supremely successful people covered in cash and ladies. If you want to be an elite professional Raz, go ahead and follow these guidelines. If you want cash and ladies though, drop 'em.

Except the overly large suit. I mean come on, that's just ridiculous.

 

[Maestro]

Quality has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Women for example, the highest fashion most desired coveted clothing is not well made at all. It's poorly constructed with poor materials. That's how it is with most of the clothing for women... doesn't get the same quality and attention that mens clothing does.

I like quality. I buy quality. I like durable clothes and I need durable clothes, so I buy durable clothes. The rubber soles on my dress shoes are of good quality and they're durable. But there's this tacky notion that rubber soles are "unprofessional" and that one should have leather soles. But you gotta baby that shit, you can't wear it in poor weather conditions or they'll get ruined.

My post is mainly about the completely arbitrary factors of fashion or style or whatever the **** you want to call it. The colors. Just because hoards of fashionistas say that you shouldn't match this color with this color, or to stay away from this color if it's month x or you have the body shape of y, doesn't make it fact.

It's ****ing ridiculous I say. Just because brown and black is said to not go together, doesn't mean it's a fact. I ****ing love brown and black together. And that's why I'm saying **** fashion.

But at the same time I care what other people think about me because I'm a thin skinned asshole, and so to avoid people thinking I'm "too unprofessional", I bought a pair of brown shoes to wear whenever I wear brown pants.

It's just, the whole nothing of certain colors, certain TRIVIAL elements of clothing or accessories being "professional or unprofessional", I find retarded.

I find professionalism to be in the attitude, not in the appearance.

Professionalism is reflected in whether you follow etiquette, no? Well the etiquette of professional menswear is don't do brown with black. Fashion I've already made the point is what's in this season. This season is always looks like ass. The reason is because they break basic style conventions for the sake of chasing the newest thing.

Your argument that you are being repressed by fashionistas, who without exception LIKE to break rules because they like the way it looks, is completely ridiculous and disingenuous. You share more in common with them than you do the well-dressed gentleman. You CAN dress the way you want, but you have to find things that create a visually pleasing palette. Brown and black accent pieces (which shoes and belts most definitely are) do not match and create needless disharmony in one's appearance. The hard truth is it makes men look shorter because the eye's visual train is broken. It's the same way that pinstripes make a man look thinner and taller and horizontal bars make a man look shorter and wider. These conventions exist because they are visually pleasing the vast majority of people. You can break the rules, but you have to do it in a way that maintains that visually pleasing aspect.

I am saying you can break the rules. The caveat is that you must do so in a way that is visually pleasing. Brown shoes, black belt can be done but only with care.

 

[Bad^Hat]

I think color aesthetics are far more relative than you're thinking.

What the **** is aesthetically unpleasing about black shoes with brown pants?

It's not a thread about clothes so much as it is about the colors of clothes. Also the concept that certain colors are more professional than others is ridiculous when you're talking about such conservative colors as browns and blacks. A dude wearing a hot pink suit? Okay I might agree with that being unprofessional looking but come on.

But there is something fundamentally unpleasing about wearing hot pink in that context, right? Not in an objective sense but in a "common sense" kind of sense. So, by the same token, couldn't wearing more conservative colours certain ways be commonly perceived as unpleasing too? I think this is basically what Maestro is saying. I won't try and give my own advice though as I have negative style. :B

 

[Maestro]

But there is something fundamentally unpleasing about wearing hot pink in that context, right? Not in an objective sense but in a "common sense" kind of sense. So, by the same token, couldn't wearing more conservative colours certain ways be commonly perceived as unpleasing too? I think this is basically what Maestro is saying. I won't try and give my own advice though as I have negative style. :B

Bolded part is much, much funnier considering your name. I'm imagining Bad^Hat as a math function for describing how poorly someone is dressed.

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

Raz I'm much more disappointed by your using the word "fashionista" in your rant about being a male wearing male clothing than I am of you pairing black shoes with brown pants.

 

[Vegeta897]

Does fashion...actually...matter?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Fashion is both a necessity, consequence and for many, a compulsion - related to upward movement in socioeconomic status in Western nations. Yes, it matters. Dressing appropriately, and as an extension understanding fashion, is a very integral part of the way we communicate. This isn't disputable within the bounds of reason.

 

[ríomhaire]

Does fashion...actually...matter?

It's probably worth mentioning that the shoes were black.

 

[Maestro]

It's probably worth mentioning that the shoes were black.

And the ass was fat.

 

[ríomhaire]

And the ass was fat.

And the pants were dead.

 

[Raziaar]

Raz I'm much more disappointed by your using the word "fashionista" in your rant about being a male wearing male clothing than I am of you pairing black shoes with brown pants.

Why? It's entirely appropriate.

What's wrong with using the word fashionista?

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

I think he was probably confused about the word because it sounds highly gendered, when in reality, it's not.

 

[Raziaar]

Yeah, that's probably it.

I admit, it does sound kind of fabulous!

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Mmmm, latin-based suffixes~

 

[Tollbooth Willie]

wow learn to dress you big bitches

 

[YROC]

corduroy erryday