Favorite politcal movie?

[Gray Fox]

Hah, nice generalization dumbass. The liberal way, if it doesn't fit your world view, make shit up. There is aboslutley 0 proof that anything like that happened.

It's not a generalization, it's the way it is. You and your fellow reps have proven it over and over again. You simply ignore and/or don't mind having double standarts. Now as far as that account go's I'm sure it's not to hard for a internet veteran like yourself to find some offical un/us info about who was in control, when the worst famine happend, + the author of the book interview US soldiers, see quote:

This activity was popular with the Rangers who told Bowden it was like riding a roller coaster. Sometimes they would hover low over flimsy shacks blowing them apart, or over a crowded market place tearing people’s clothes from their bodies or even ripping babies out of their mothers’ arms, in a practice the pilots called “rotor washing.”

that account came from US soldiers themselfes + it proves that the movie was a complete fraud, it paints a completly different picture than the book. It also shows how you people work, you take only the info that fits you and disregard everything.

Oh yeah, and I really can't see the link you make with clinton regarding an operation that was innitiated by Bush senior.

 

[CptStern]

Well his movie was worldwide, and was intended to sway peoples opinions on the US overseas too.

and how many people died because of moore's "lies"?




how many died because of bush's lies?



oh and non-americans didnt need to be persuaded

 

[Pesmerga]

Yeah...lot's of movies can seemingly pull that out of their ass. However...in LOTR without the huge armies fighting frodo wouldn't have been able to accomplish his mission so actually your statement is wrong.

That was purely coincedence and you can't say there might have been other ways. The point is, destroying the ring can mean any number of things, all which have far less drastic measures than thousands of lives lost in futile combat.

If that single objective wasn't met, it would have meant thousands or even millions of more lives lost. It's a political statement because it encourages single, well thought out acts instead of full blown war as a response to any situation.

 

[Razor]

That was purely coincedence and you can't say there might have been other ways. The point is, destroying the ring can mean any number of things, all which have far less drastic measures than thousands of lives lost in futile combat.

If that single objective wasn't met, it would have meant thousands or even millions of more lives lost. It's a political statement because it encourages single, well thought out acts instead of full blown war as a response to any situation.

Would it of been far more effective for Gandalf, Legolas and some of the other Elf archers to jump aboard the flying Eagles and fly over the volcano and just toss it into the crater? Simple, effective, takes 20minutes to tell the story and not 9 hours, and saves thousands upon thousands of lives.

 

[Pesmerga]

Would it of been far more effective for Gandalf, Legolas and some of the other Elf archers to jump aboard the flying Eagles and fly over the volcano and just toss it into the crater? Simple, effective, takes 20minutes to tell the story and not 9 hours, and saves thousands upon thousands of lives.

Um...the gryphons didn't have VTOL? I dunno O_O

 

[Solaris]

Who made Power of Nightmares btw and whats it about?

 

[Gray Fox]

Who made Power of Nightmares btw and whats it about?

see thse threads:
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79725&highlight=power+nightmares
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70934&highlight=power+nightmares

 

[Foxtrot]

It's not a generalization, it's the way it is. You and your fellow reps have proven it over and over again. You simply ignore and/or don't mind having double standarts. Now as far as that account go's I'm sure it's not to hard for a internet veteran like yourself to find some offical un/us info about who was in control, when the worst famine happend, + the author of the book interview US soldiers, see quote:


that account came from US soldiers themselfes + it proves that the movie was a complete fraud, it paints a completly different picture than the book. It also shows how you people work, you take only the info that fits you and disregard everything.

Oh yeah, and I really can't see the link you make with clinton regarding an operation that was innitiated by Bush senior.

Clinton wouldn't give them the equipment they wanted, so people died. And to me it looks like that author put words into their mouths, why would they say they kill babies? Oh that is right, because it is a false quote.

 

[CptStern]

Who made Power of Nightmares btw and whats it about?

here's part 3 of the power of nightmares ...you need real player to see it

highly recommended

 

[Gray Fox]

Clinton wouldn't give them the equipment they wanted, so people died. And to me it looks like that author put words into their mouths, why would they say they kill babies? Oh that is right, because it is a false quote.

Clinton came after Bush senior, the guy who sent them therer, how the **** could he not give them the equipment they wanted. Or did Mogadishu happe nafter clinton arived, and was that request then also not givin by daddy bush.
And you'd be surprised what people brag about, thats nothing what is said in that quote.

 

[Foxtrot]

Clinton came after Bush senior, the guy who sent them therer, how the **** could he not give them the equipment they wanted. Or did Mogadishu happe nafter clinton arived, and was that request then also not givin by daddy bush.
And you'd be surprised what people brag about, thats nothing what is said in that quote.

It was Clintons first year in office, he ****ed up a lot in his first year.

 

[Dag]

Has anyone actually read the book Black Hawk Down? Not the Movie, but the Book?

 

[bliink]

Has anyone actually read the book Black Hawk Down? Not the Movie, but the Book?

Some of it... but it wasn't really my style of book.

I found that BHD (the movie and book) were far more centred on action not politics.

The only real plot goes for about 15 minutes at the start of the movie and the rest is just a shoot out. Nice action, but virtually no plot.

 

[Dag]

How far into the book did you read? Because in the begining, it sets everything up politicaly and militarily, and the middle, of course, is the action. (Combat Jacks, haha.) In the end they go on to explain the politics of everything. The movie, more or less, focuses on the action, and cuts out when the Rangers get back, not going on long enough to show the situation of the pilot who was captured, who, actually, got treated fairly well.

 

[bliink]

How far into the book did you read? Because in the begining, it sets everything up politicaly and militarily, and the middle, of course, is the action. (Combat Jacks, haha.) In the end they go on to explain the politics of everything. The movie, more or less, focuses on the action, and cuts out when the Rangers get back, not going on long enough to show the situation of the pilot who was captured, who, actually, got treated fairly well.

I remember reading about the pilot who got captured etc, but I didn't finish the book.

 

[MjM]

I dont really get how that movie -

... shows the results when Clinton screws people over, of all the people he took advantage of and abused or womenized I think his abuse of the military is the worst. Taking advantage of volunteers, out of hate, is about as low as it gets.

I seem to recall it was more about American's triumphing in the face of overwhelming odds. In the process they kill 1000s of Somalian's in the process, for the cost of 18 or so US soldiers.

I didnt really think it was overtly political. The only sorta criticsm that is made is the lack of preperation (the whole not waiting for tank support) and over confidence (leaving off doors on their hummer's and body armour).



I dont really know if i have seen a good political movie, recently i saw a documentry on McNamara which i thought was good. BfC was kinda funny, but i sorta think he employs allot of hyperbole, not sure, its hard to say, manily cos i forget movies unless im reminded about them.

I really enjoyed Super Size Me, but its not what i would call a political movie.

im more the 20/20, 60 minutes currentaffairs kinda guy.

 

[Dag]

1000? Try 7,000 or 8,000. Clinton, actually, stayed away from most controversial matters. It was the Governement, along with the UN, that swayed the US to take action in Mogadishu. They actually did bring in tanks and gunships, but that was after the initial Black Hawk Incident.

 

[Reaktor4]

The great dictator and grass.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I remember reading about the pilot who got captured etc, but I didn't finish the book.

I got to chat with Mike Durant (Pilot who was captured) for a Bush campaign thing.

 

[Dag]

My dad got to talk to him. He just held it over me. Said he was a nice guy though.

 

[bliink]

Said he was a nice guy though.

He'd have to be... wouldn't be likely that he survived if he wasn't a little amicable