Federal Air Marshal fires weapon aboard United plane

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An air marshall has fired shots aboard a United flight. The incident happened while the plane was on the tarmac of Miami Intl Airport. The person that got shot at was displaying 'threatening behaviour'.

Afaik this is the first time an air marshall has actually fired a shot aboard a plane.
 
AP - Shots Fired on Flight That Landed at Miami Airport
Wednesday, December 07, 2005

MIAMI — Shots were fired Wednesday on board an American Airlines jet that had landed at Miami International Airport, and at least one person was wounded, according to broadcast reports.
The plane had just arrived from Colombia and was headed to Orlando, the reports said.
Airport and Miami-Dade County police officials said they had no immediate comment.
Television images from the scene show armed officers taking up positions around the plane.
 
Looks true, BBC News have it as there breaking news headline, more soon.....
 
The suspect, a passenger, claimed he had a bomb and started to get off the plane, and air marshals went after him, sources told NBC News.
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source: MSNBC
 
Afaik this is the first time an air marshall has actually fired a shot aboard a plane.
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And how long have they existed?
 
dream431ca said:
After 9/11
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Air marshalls have been around forever. El Al has had them for ages. Nobody ever fired a shot however. Or it hasn't been in the news to be more exact.
 
Anyway, update:

Official: Marshal shoots passenger on Jetway at Miami airport

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- A person was shot and wounded on the Jetway to an American Airlines passenger jet that was at the terminal at Miami International Airport, an airline official said.

A federal official told CNN that the passenger was shot by a federal air marshal, who felt the passenger was acting in a threatening manner, the official said.

The weapon was fired on the Jetway to Flight 924, which was on a stopover in Miami during a flight from Medellin, Colombia, to Orlando, Florida, police said.

The Boeing 757, which can hold about 180 passengers, was due to take off for Orlando at 2:18 p.m. ET.

Footage from the scene showed police cars and what appeared to be SWAT vehicles surrounding the plane. Several officers wielding rifles were running toward and around the plane.
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Source: CNN
 
The dude is dead. He supposedly freaked out during the flight, running up and down the isle. After the plane landed he threatened he had a bomb. He then ran to the exit. Air marshalls told him to lay down on the floor. He refused and reached for his bag. Air marshalls then shot him.
 
probably some dude who forgot to take his meds this morning....and he was killed for it. sad, really.
 
Shakermaker said:
The dude is dead. He supposedly freaked out during the flight, running up and down the isle. After the plane landed he threatened he had a bomb. He then ran to the exit. Air marshalls told him to lay down on the floor. He refused and reached for his bag. Air marshalls then shot him.
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pwnt..
 
Unless he has a severe mental disorder, he's fecking idiot. If you say you have a bomb, chances are you're gonna get shot.
 
I think if you say bomb in an airport (in US at least) and somebody with authority overhears u get like searched 'n shit. It's been really crazy here x_X, so to say it while running around and actually threatening to have one, thats just maddening. idiot ftl
 
dumbass got what he deserved is the way it sounds - if he had followed their instructions he would've been alright
 
Mmmhm, they don't take shit anymore. Glad to see the ass got what he deserved.
 
One the one hand, what an utter idiot. On the other hand, it's a goddamn plane and there's nowhere to run. Surely it might have been possible to defuse the situation without killing anybody?
 
he was mentally ill and hadn't taken his medication. good thing i'm in medical school.
 
Sulkdodds said:
One the one hand, what an utter idiot. On the other hand, it's a goddamn plane and there's nowhere to run. Surely it might have been possible to defuse the situation without killing anybody?
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not if they're reaching for a bag and claimning they have a bomb when they refuse to do what the marshall says. At the end of it you can't tell if he's retarded or a terrorist, why risk the life of all those aboard the plane?

I'm normally against shooting to stop crimes, but in this case i find it was justified...
 
If you enter a plane claiming you have a bomb and then start acting in an extremely odd manner you are asking to be shot, even if you have "problems"

If a terrorist isn't tackled and does blow up a plane people would be like OMG OMG OMG how could you let him do it, you had air marshals!!!!!

One life is less important compared to hundereds.
 
Not necessarily related to this incident but is related to our flight safety is this interesting memo I recently discovered while reading a book by Craig Unger for a class I am taking:


The following is an "unpublished memo from the FAA based on a phone call from a flight attendant on board Flight 11 who asserted, contrary to subsequent reports that only box cutters and plastic utensils had been used as weapons, that a hijacker had shot and killed a passenger on board"


http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid9popup.htm


Now I really dont want to start a discussion about 9/11 conspiracy theories. I simply mentioned this because, if true, is a serious matter of importance regarding our pre-9/11 flight security.
 
"At some point, he uttered threatening words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb," said Miami Federal Air Marshals official James Bauer.

James Bauer... Or Jack Bauer? I bet it was really Jack Bauer.
 
The guy was suffering an extreme bi-polar condition and didnt have his medication. He didnt have a bomb either.

short recoil said:
One life is less important compared to hundereds.
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One innocent life?
 
Poor bastard.

But i can see why they shot him. I may not agree with it, but i see why.
 
Jintor said:
Poor bastard.

But i can see why they shot him. I may not agree with it, but i see why.
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I wouldn't have done any different had I been in the same position. Hell, it's impressive enough that they tried to arrest him at first instead of just shooting as soon as 'bomb' was mentioned.

It's tragic that the guy wasn't actually carrying a bomb and was only suffering from a mental condition, but the Marshal was doing his duty and shouldn't be blamed for this.
 
jondy said:
what the hell happened to tazers?
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Box cutters.

Box cutters.


Anyone mad enough to fight that without some heavy weaponry, be my guest, but don't ask me for help :|
 
what the hell happened to tazers?
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Tazers vs. a detonator. You tazer him, he pushes the button, 300 people die.
One innocent life?
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That was not known at the time. All the air marshalls knew was that there was a crazy screaming "I HAVE A BOMB!" and reaching for his bag which very well could have had a bomb in it.

1 innocent life < 300 innocent lives.

And why don't these people have chaperones?
 
Yes, I reckon someone's at fault somewhere for even allowing him to board the plane/buy a ticket without any question or query whatsoever.
 
john3571000 said:
his wife was with him
alot of help she was :|
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"Take your meds honey or you ain't gettin' any tonight"

Usually people with mental issues marry those with similar mental issues.
 
All these people talking about tasers, disabling shots, etc. don't realise that there were possibly 300+ lives on the line]. At that point, you don't think about which method to take. You just choose the fastest, most effective way to solve the problem and go with it, morality be damned.

For this situation, the fastest and most effective way to solve the problem was shooting to kill.
 
Apocalypse89 said:
All these people talking about tasers, disabling shots, etc. don't realise that there were possibly 300+ lives on the line]. At that point, you don't think about which method to take. You just choose the fastest, most effective way to solve the problem and go with it, morality be damned.

For this situation, the fastest and most effective way to solve the problem was shooting to kill.
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No law enforcement is taught to shoot to kill. They are taught to shoot center of mass. The goal is to put them down not kill them but of course they will be killed in the process a good portion of the time.

Shooting a real pistol is not as easy as you think. I have taken friends who have never shot them before to the range. Often they are lucky to keep all of their shots even on the paper target. The slightest mistake will put you off by a few inches: using to much or to little trigger finger will make you push the muzzle to the side (you just want the tip of your pad), jerking the trigger will pull your shots down and to the left (for a right hander), anticipating the recoil will make you flinch and pull the muzzle down shooting to low, etc, etc, etc, etc. It's alot different than shooting a pellet gun. Compound this with a real life stressful situation with your adrenaline way up. You would want to shoot for the biggest target possible (center of mass) as you will most likely miss otherwise.
 
bliink said:
One innocent life?
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Let's be realistic here. How was the air marshall supposed to know? It sucks that the person was innocent and suffered from a mental illness, but honestly, you can't blame anybody for what happened.

An eccentric and crazed man resisted orders to lay down and claimed to have a bomb. In a situation like that, I can understand the marshall's reaction. Hell, I'd be worried if he didn't open fire.
 
Suicide42 said:
Unless he has a severe mental disorder, he's fecking idiot. If you say you have a bomb, chances are you're gonna get shot.
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yeah its a well known fact that talking about bombs at airports/planes is a big no-no um...unless this guy had a mental disorder, he had it coming.
 
he did have a mental disorder, but either way the air mashalls are going to be critisized

*scenario 1*
air marshall doesnt shoot *news headline* "WHAT IF HE HAD A BOMB! !!1!1!!oen"

*scenario 2*
he does shoot *news headline* "InNocent Dood KILLED oMg !!"

*scenario 3*
he wasn't crazy but didnt have a bomb *news headline* "ShOULD we SHooT TO KILL??!?!?!"

now if he had a bomb he would be praised, i really don't blame him for what he did, he killed him, and thats sad. but to hesitate is to put a whole plane full, perhaps more, of lives in danger
 
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