Fellowship 9/11 (and Jon Stewart v. CNN)

[Voodoo_Chile]

Fellowship 9/11

"Synopsis
Michael Moore's searing examination of the Aragorn administration's actions in the wake of the tragic events at Helms Deep.

With his characteristic humor and dogged commitment to uncovering - or if necessary fabricating - the facts, Moore considers the reign of the son of Arathorn and where it has led us.

He looks at how - and why - Aragorn and his inner circle avoided pursuing the Saruman connection to Helms Deep, despite the fact that 9 out of every 10 Orcs that attacked the castle were actually Uruk-hai who were spawned in and financed by Isengard."

This is a short spoof of Michael Moore's film Farhenheit 9/11(As if you couldnt guess) that I found amusing,though perhaps a politically motivated comedy video.
(Flame Retardent: Do not take this post as an attack on Michael Moore or his films,I quite enjoyed them but I thought Id post this anyway)

 

[Gunner]

Hehe pretty funny, the guy even looks like Moore

 

[Sai]

Beautiful!

that's honestly one of the best satires i've seen in my life

 

[Gunner]

Actually scratch that, he doesn't look like Moore hehe.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

oops, double post.. damn firefox :stare:

 

[Lil' Timmy]

funny idea, had some good parts, but the pacing was way too slow. and too many of the jokes just weren't funny. those guys need to hand the idea over to some filmmakers that know what they are doing, it could turn out pretty funny i bet.

now this is good stuff http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2652831
:thumbs:

 

[seinfeldrules]

I thought that was damn good.

now this is good stuff http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2652831

That was good too, but I really dont know what Jon wants. He blames them for not being hard enough, but then doesnt ask the tough questions he expects others to. Hes just as guilty.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

That was good too, but I really dont know what Jon wants. He blames them for not being hard enough, but then doesnt ask the tough questions he expects others to. Hes just as guilty.

he clearly states that his show is comedic, where as crossfire presents itself as debate. it's not the daily show's job to present actual debate, but it should be crossfire's job.

 

[seinfeldrules]

he clearly states that his show is comedic, where as crossfire presents itself as debate. it's not the daily show's job to present actual debate, but it should be crossfire's job.

But still, he had the opportunity. An opportunity crossfire never had. When presented with it he should have gotten answers that others could have used. Instead, he threw it away. He is no better than a common hypocrite.

 

[qckbeam]

I was watching Jon on Crossfire, and as much as I like him and his show I couldn't help but think "Wow, he's acting like such an ass". I really do have to agree, it was quite a hypocritical thing to say.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

But still, he had the opportunity. An opportunity crossfire never had. When presented with it he should have gotten answers that others could have used. Instead, he threw it away. He is no better than a common hypocrite.

yeah you're right.

 

[seinfeldrules]

yeah you're right.

You're a crazy guy.

 

[FortisVir]

Wow. I was getting ready for Tucker Carlson to throw a punch.

Stewart: This....This is theater. Let me ask you something, how old are you?
Carlson: Thirty-Five.
Stewart: And you wear a bow-tie.

 

[qckbeam]

Wow. I was getting ready for Tucker Carlson to throw a punch.

He called Tucker a dick too. As much as I may sometimes disagree with Tucker, he's still a smart guy, and pretty reasonable. That was really uncalled for :/

 

[seinfeldrules]

He called Tucker a dick too. As much as I may sometimes disagree with Tucker, he's still a smart guy, and pretty reasonable. That was really uncalled for :/

Agreed. Stewart seemed like such an ass.

 

[Jakeic]

But still, he had the opportunity. An opportunity crossfire never had. When presented with it he should have gotten answers that others could have used. Instead, he threw it away. He is no better than a common hypocrite.

i didn't know journalists and comedians did the same job.

as far as calling tucker a dick, he was being an asshole. his point wasn't credible, but maybe shoving it down jon's throat would really drive home the point. I'm suprised that it took jon so long to say anything at all.

 

[seinfeldrules]

i didn't know journalists and comedians did the same job.

Well, he is in the media. He was blaming the media for being to weak on candidates. What does he do when he has the chance to ask the tough questions? Throws Kerry the weak ones. If you cant walk the walk, dont talk the talk.

 

[Jakeic]

Well, he is in the media. He was blaming the media for being to weak on candidates. What does he do when he has the chance to ask the tough questions? Throws Kerry the weak ones. If you cant walk the walk, dont talk the talk.

i guess you're right, jon stewart needs to be asking the tough questions on his fake news show.

although, jon stewart is accusing news organizations of being party hacks.

you should watch the interview again.

 

[seinfeldrules]

i guess you're right, jon stewart needs to be asking the tough questions on his fake news show.

although, jon stewart is accusing news organizations of being party hacks.

you should watch the interview again.

I've seen it three times bud. He had the opportunity, even on a comedy show, and he passed it up. The guys on crossfire didnt have the chance to ask the questions, Jon did.

 

[Jakeic]

I've seen it three times bud. He had the opportunity, even on a comedy show, and he passed it up. The guys on crossfire didnt have the chance to ask the questions, Jon did.

you are being a simpleton. HE IS A COMEDIAN, his job is to bring us the funny. He is not a journalist, he makes no claims to ask the tough questions or bring out the truth that politicans try to hide. those are not in his job discription.

 

[qckbeam]

you are being a simpleton. HE IS A COMEDIAN, his job is to bring us the funny. He is not a journalist, he makes no claims to ask the tough questions or bring out the truth that politicans try to hide. those are not in his job discription.

You're missing the point. Jon had an opportunity to ask Kerry the tough questions he says nobody else has been asking. If he was so pissed about this, why not ask them himself? Come on. Even if he is a comedian, he had the chance to walk the walk and instead he was, as Tucker put it, Kerrys butt boy. I lost a lot of respect for Jon.

 

[seinfeldrules]

You're missing the point. Jon had an opportunity to ask Kerry the tough questions he says nobody else has been asking. If he was so pissed about this, why not ask them himself? Come on.

Exactly.

 

[Jakeic]

You're missing the point. Jon had an opportunity to ask Kerry the tough questions he says nobody else has been asking. If he was so pissed about this, why not ask them himself? Come on. Even if he is a comedian, he had the chance to walk the walk and instead he was, as Tucker put it, Kerrys butt boy. I lost a lot of respect for Jon.

that is NOT a point. Jon Stewart accuses NEWS ORGANIZATIONS of not doing the right thing. Jon Stewart is an ENTERTAINER he has no more obligation to asking John Kerry a tough question than would Maddona. What he is saying is that crossfire is not a news program because all they try to do is entertain instead of report.

 

[seinfeldrules]

that is NOT a point. Jon Stewart accuses NEWS ORGANIZATIONS of not doing the right thing. Jon Stewart is an ENTERTAINER he has no more obligation to asking John Kerry a tough question than would Maddona. What he is saying is that crossfire is not a news program because all they try to do is entertain instead of report.

Yes, it is the point here. If it were somebody else lecturing crossfire it would be different. Jon had the chance to do something about it and find out Kerry's true positions- he didnt. If Chris Rock told crossfire to smarten up he would have the right to, because he never had the opportunity to do something about it. The point of this is that Jon is a hypocrite and an ass, which he proved during this interview. He can be a very funny man, but this serious crap is stupid.

 

[qckbeam]

that is NOT a point. Jon Stewart accuses NEWS ORGANIZATIONS of not doing the right thing. Jon Stewart is an ENTERTAINER he has no more obligation to asking John Kerry a tough question than would Maddona. What he is saying is that crossfire is not a news program because all they try to do is entertain instead of report.

Crossfire is a DEBATE show, as well as a news program. They are on for half-an-hour to give you a glimpse on what certain people from both sides of the fence have to say about various issues. It can be entertaining, but it is more informative than anything. It certainly isn't a comedy show in any way.

My point is valid. Jon Stewart is a hypocrite. He isn't obliged to ask tough questions, however if he wanted my respect then perhaps instead of telling other people to hold politicians feet to the fire he could, I don't know, do it himself?

Jon wasted an opportunity to put his money where his mouth is, and is a HYPOCRITE for accusing the media of not being tough when he himself was weaker than most.

Edit: Seinfeld beat me to it

 

[DreamThrall]

People don't watch comedy central to get their political information, they watch channels like CNN. Jon Stewart didn't invite John Kerry onto his show so that he could ask "hard hitting political questions". Jon Stewart's show is A PARODY SHOW ON COMEDY CENTRAL. I was able to understand that through all of the asshole hosts' interruptions, but apparently the hosts (and some people here) are missing that point. Jon Stewart is TECHNICALLY part of the media, but unlike the hosts of crossfire, PEOPLE DO NOT LOOK TO JON STEWART FOR FACTUAL INFORMATION!!!!! When people watch his show, they want to laugh, not find out how JOhn Kerry would handle the economy if he were elected. ffs, wake up.

 

[qckbeam]

People don't watch comedy central to get their political information, they watch channels like CNN. Jon Stewart didn't invite John Kerry onto his show so that he could ask "hard hitting political questions". Jon Stewart's show is A PARODY SHOW ON COMEDY CENTRAL. I was able to understand that through all of the asshole hosts' interruptions, but apparently the hosts (and some people here) are missing that point. Jon Stewart is TECHNICALLY part of the media, but unlike the hosts of crossfire, PEOPLE DO NOT LOOK TO JON STEWART FOR FACTUAL INFORMATION!!!!! When people watch his show, they want to laugh, not find out how JOhn Kerry would handle the economy if he were elected. ffs, wake up.

Congratulations, you've missed the point.

Jon Stewart complains that the press does not ask tough questions, or does not hold politicians feet to the fire.

Jon Stewart has a chance to ask really tough questions.

Jon Stewart asks questions weaker than what you'd hear any journalist ask to John Kerry.

Jon Stewart goes to Crossfire, rants about how he hates their show, won't answer questions, calls Tucker a dick for no reason, and makes an ass out of him self by saying the press doesn't ask tough questions when HE HIMSELF HAD THE CHANCE TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS AND DIDN'T.

The question is not whether Jon was obliged to ask these questions, we know he runs a comedy show. The problem is that he is a total hypocrite for not asking tough questions when all he does is bitch about the press not asking tough questions.

 

[DreamThrall]

If Jon Stewart had a show on CNN or ABC or NBC or FOX or any channel that people watch to get NEWS and the same things happened, THEN you would have a point.

Sorry, the hypocrite accusation just doesn't hold any water.

 

[qckbeam]

If Jon Stewart had a show on CNN or ABC or NBC or FOX or any channel that people watch to get NEWS and the same things happened, THEN you would have a point.

Sorry, the hypocrite accusation just doesn't hold any water.

Yes, yes it does. You just don't want to hear it.

 

[DreamThrall]

What the hell are you talking about? I heard the point when the hosts were trying to make it, and I didn't agree with it then either. You trying to cram it down my throat isn't going to change that. Jon Stewart is not a journalist, he is a comedian. He does that job very well, in my opinion. All he was doing was asking the journalists (one of which he is NOT) to do THEIR job better (since he is NOT a journalist and therefore does not have the means to do it himself). Jon Stewart is a comedian, not a journalist. Jon Stewart is a comedian not a journalist.










He's a comedian.


..... not a journalist.



Get it?

EDIT: I'm going to bed, I have to be at work at 6 am tomorrow... we can continue this later if you still disagree.

 

[nw909]

Boy howdy, this thread sure jumped the tracks and flew into a valley crashing and killing all the passengers on board.

 

[seinfeldrules]

(since he is NOT a journalist and therefore does not have the means to do it himself).

But he does! He had John Kerry on his show, Crossfire didnt have Kerry on their show. If he wanted to bitch, then maybe he should have done something when the opportunity presented itself.

 

[qckbeam]

But he does! He had John Kerry on his show, Crossfire didnt have Kerry on their show. If he wanted to bitch, then maybe he should have done something when the opportunity presented itself.

Yes, thank you! This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Seinfeldrules is right.

 

[SidewinderX]

guys... if he asked tough question... people wouldn't come on his show....

ok, example:

I am a car mechanic. I see a a thief take a women's purse at gunpoint. It would be foolish for me to do anything, as it would possibly cause detriment to me. If I see a policeman watch a women get held up, I would have every right to lecture the policeman. It's his job to keep that from happening.

Jon is a comedian. If he had asked kerry tough questions, politicians would not go one his show [detriment to job]. These news people are supposed to ask them tough questions. they don't. jon can critizie them.

 

[seinfeldrules]

guys... if he asked tough question... people wouldn't come on his show....

Then dont bitch about it on other peoples shows if you dont have the guts to do it yourself. Thats probably why Crossfire doesnt ask the tough questions too, nobody will go on if they do.

 

[qckbeam]

Side, I have to agree with Seinfeld (we're agreeing a lot tonight, which is different ;P). If he is afraid to ask the tough questions because he'll not be able to get anyone on his show, then he shouldn't be criticizing others for doing the same thing. I agree with Jon, the media should be tougher with all politicians. However he can't bitch like he did if he won't ask the questions himself.

 

[seinfeldrules]

(we're agreeing a lot tonight, which is different ;P).

Heh yeah it does feel a little odd.

 

[Lil' Timmy]

why am i not surprised that this one is still going strong. it's sad that you just don't get it qck, seinfeld i understand, but you? oh well, you can't win them all.

 

[Neutrino]

I don't see how one can compare a comedy show to serious news show.

 

[seinfeldrules]

why am i not surprised that this one is still going strong. it's sad that you just don't get it qck, seinfeld i understand, but you? oh well, you can't win them all.

Why dont you leave the discussion, oh I dont know, on the topic at hand.