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Case

Thermaltake Highest Xaser III Super Tower Case, Model "V2000A" -RETAIL
-$150

Processor

Unknown at the moment.

Motherboard

Unknown at the moment.

Drives/Floppys

SONY Silver 16X DVD-ROM Drive, Model DDU1621, OEM Drive Only
-$36

Lite-On 52X32X52 Internal EIDE CD-RW Drive Black Bezel, Model LTR-52327S Black, Retail
-$34

SONY Beige 1.44MB 3.5Inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model MPF920, OEM
-$10


Video Card

ATI X800 XT
-$500

Sound Card

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro PCI Sound Card, Model "SB0360" -RETAIL
-$206

Memory

Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-4000 with Platinum-Silver Heat Spreader - Retail
$289

Hard Drive

Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD740GD, OEM Drive Only
-$212

Power Supply

Thermaltake Silent PurePower 560W Power Supply for AMD and Intel ATX 12V, Model "W0023" -RETAIL
$99

Keyboard/Mouse/Monitor/Speakers

Creative Megaworks THX 6.1 Speakers -RETAIL
-$247

Keeping mouse/keyboard/monitor.



Now what would be the absolute best processor and mobo to get within the next 2 months? And if you know anything that's better than my current parts please let me know, money isn't an object.
 
How about you stop making new threads every few days, guinny? Just add on to your old ones from now on.
 
:LOL: I know Guinny, you're like paranoid thinking your comp is getting outdated... like every new piece of hardware that comes out makes you think you're P4 @ 3.4 EE with your 9800 XT is obsolete.
 
Sorry I'm a paranoid mofo. This'll be the last thread promise. :) However Johan, I do mind overclocking...never did it...never will. And is 64-bit processing going to be useful @ all with hl2 or any future games/progs? Or even current ones? If not I'll just go with the 3400+
 
Wait for the 939 socket though right ankalar?
 
guinny said:
Sorry I'm a paranoid mofo. This'll be the last thread promise. :) However Johan, I do mind overclocking...never did it...never will. And is 64-bit processing going to be useful @ all with hl2 or any future games/progs? Or even current ones? If not I'll just go with the 3400+
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64 bit processing will not be a serious factor in gaming/applications till several years down the line. Supposedly around the time longhorn (next version of windows) comes out 64 bit computing will start to take off. By that time, your PC will be pretty outdated even if you buy the FX-53. A 64bit version of Windows XP is supposed to be out Fall 2004, but that has been delayed several times. So who knows when that will ever come out.

The biggest feature of the Athlon 64/FX-53 is that they have awesome 32 bit performance. Right now, the 64 bit title is more of a marketing scheme.

The biggest decision you will have to make is when you should buy your computer. When do you really need it? If you don't really need it now, wait until you do.

One other thing to consider is, that you should save some of your money. Instead of buying a FX-53, get a A64 3400+. You still get awesome performance, but 1 year later, you will still have some money in the bank to help you upgrade your computer again.
 
Ok so as hard as this may be to answer...within the next month or so, what is the absolute best processor i can buy overall for games and progs, dont care about the price.
 
I believe the best so far is the FX-53, although the P4 EE 3.4 ghz just came out, and I haven't seen any benchmarks for it yet, so I'm not too sure. Also, scrap the 9800xt. Get the x800 Pro. It costs less than the 9800xt and whoops it's ass in all the benchmarks. Or if you feel like waiting a little while, the x800xt will be out in a few weeks.
 
I was going with the x800xt anyway azzman look back lol. And thanks for the info pal. ;)
 
guinny said:
Wait for the 939 socket though right ankalar?
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No, the FX-53 is a socket 940 processor.

Foxtrot said:
Scuzzy drives are overrated.
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Just quoting this so that I'll have evidence of your poor knowledge even after you edit your post.


blahblahblah is right, you should probably wait a while before buying it so that you can get a socket 939 processor.


PS: Please don't get the Xaser just because it has lots of fans and a fan controller. If you're getting it because you like how it looks then that's fine, but seriously if you are just getting it for the "features" then think again.

PPS: If you get the FX-53 you will need ECC-registered (buffered) memory. Plus getting PC-4000 is unnecessary (and slower!) unless you are overclocking and you need the extra bandwidth. Get PC-3200 because the timings are lower and it is all you need.

PPPS: If you really want performance and have lots and lots of money, you could always get a SCSI drive. A Fujitsu MAS or Seagate 15,000RPM drive would be excellent. You could also run two (or more) hard drives (whichever type you decide to get) in a RAID configuration (most likely RAID-0 for the speed) and you'll be zooming along at ludicrous speed.

EDIT: Haha blahblahblah I was editing my post with all you said probably just as you were typing it! BEAT YOU!
 
If you are really going all out. Pick up another raptor drive so you can do RAID 0. Your computer will fly.


As for your processor, it is up to you. The FX-53 and the P 4 EE are pretty much the same in terms of performance. If you go with the FX-53, make sure you get the right type of RAM for it.
 
Just out of curiosity, will the 939 cost as much, more, or less than the 940. I think i'll go with you guys and wait, seeing as im waiting for the x800xt anyway.
 
ankalar said:
No, the FX-53 is a socket 940 processor.

Just quoting this so that I'll have evidence of your poor knowledge even after you edit your post.


blahblahblah is right, you should probably wait a while before buying it so that you can get a socket 939 processor.


PS: Please don't get the Xaser just because it has lots of fans and a fan controller. If you're getting it because you like how it looks then that's fine, but seriously if you are just getting it for the "features" then think again.

PPS: If you get the FX-53 you will need ECC-registered (buffered) memory. Plus getting PC-4000 is unnecessary (and slower!) unless you are overclocking and you need the extra bandwidth. Get PC-3200 because the timings are lower and it is all you need.

PPPS: If you really want performance and have lots and lots of money, you could always get a SCSI drive. A Fujitsu MAS or Seagate 15,000RPM drive would be excellent. You could also run two (or more) hard drives (whichever type you decide to get) in a RAID configuration (most likely RAID-0 for the speed) and you'll be zooming along at ludicrous speed.

EDIT: Haha blahblahblah I was editing my post with all you said probably just as you were typing it! BEAT YOU!
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Alright, you justify spending an extra $150 for very little extra performance....dumbass
 
For the price, SCSI drives are over rated*...
It used to be IDE drives were pretty slow but they have improved a long way in speed and a Raptor drive can even beat/match SCSI drives in some Desktop apps for a fraction of the cost. Raptors make high performance RAID affordable as well.

*SCSI isn't a very smart option considering cost unless it's for server/workstation use.
 
Hold on...He has a raptor down on his list. Last time I checked that is a SATA drive, not SCSI. Where are we getting this SCSI stuff from?

Anyways, get two raptors for RAID. And completely ignore the SCSI stuff, guinny.
 
Ankalar...the socket 939 will be using unbuffered non-ecc ram. Should I still go with PC-4000? Or what would be the best ram to use with that processor?
 
I don't know much about the 939-pin processors, but if the FSB is still 200mhz then all you will need is PC-3200.
 
You will be OCing if you intend to use memory above the supported speed (which is PC3200 currently) even though it says E.G. PC4000.
 
Ok so now with all this new info...the new list reads as....

Case

Thermaltake Highest Xaser III Super Tower Case, Model "V2000A" -RETAIL
-$150

Processor

AMD64 FX-53 Socket 939

Motherboard

Socket 939 Supported

Drives/Floppys

SONY Silver 16X DVD-ROM Drive, Model DDU1621, OEM Drive Only
-$36

Lite-On 52X32X52 Internal EIDE CD-RW Drive Black Bezel, Model LTR-52327S Black, Retail
-$34

SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5Inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model MPF920, OEM
-$10


Video Card

ATI X800 XT
-$500

Sound Card

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro PCI Sound Card, Model "SB0360" -RETAIL
-$206

Memory

Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 PRO with Platinum-Silver Heat Spreader - Retail
$289

Hard Drive

Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD740GD, OEM Drive Only
-$212

Power Supply

Thermaltake Silent PurePower 560W Power Supply for AMD and Intel ATX 12V, Model "W0023" -RETAIL
$99

Keyboard/Mouse/Monitor/Speakers

Creative Megaworks THX 6.1 Speakers -RETAIL
-$247

Keeping mouse/keyboard/monitor.

How's that look?
 
I think you have the wrong memory. I believe you need to have ECC Registered memory for the FX-53.

Anyways here is a link that tells you the prices on the proper RAM for your system.

Here is a link telling you what memory has "officially" been approved for the FX series of processors. For the most part whatever memory your choose should work just fine.

Also, get another Raptor for your harddrive, the RAID will be worth it. (in case you missed that the last 2 times I wrote it ;) )
 
Yeah the FX-53 is socket 940, not 939. I'd suggest going with the A60 3400+ and either ASUS k8v or gigabyte k8ns-pro mobo, unless you feel like dropping another few hundred on some new RAM...
 
Get this hard drive instead, save yourself $100, it runs at almost the same speed.
Western Digital 120GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD1200JD, OEM Drive Only (limit 20 per customer)
 
Much? Just a little bit faster actually. Not $100 faster.
 
Much faster.

Also, guinny, the FX-53 isn't a socket 939 processor; and like I also said before, you need ECC registered RAM.
 
Ok, show me show benchmarks that show somthing over atleast a %50 increase in performance....oh wait you can't because it doesn't.
 
Why are you looking for a 50% increase in performance? That is absurd.
 
It costs %250 more and it can't even perform %50 better? That is absurd.
 
Price does not directly relate to performance. Look at any type of merchandise.
 
It has a 30% faster rotational speed so it should perform somewhere around 30% faster. Anandtech has a review on its 36 Gb version here

Anyways, the newer the technology, the more it costs. Make no mistake, it is way faster than a typically SATA drive. It is up to guinny to figure out if the extra performance is worth the extra cost.
 
I guess I am just cheap, but if you have the money to spend on it just buy it.
 
He is buying a FX53 isn't he...
Besides, why get the fastest CPU available and then get a slower Drive.
What is the slowest part in a PC? The harddrive. Improve the weakest link and you will improve the bottom line performance.

BTW it is rumored that they will release a FX53 also on the socket 939 platform.
Socket 940 only requires Registered memory (ECC is optional) but I would recommend ECC because it checks the memory for errors so you don't get one in the program you are using. ;)

I have a raptor drive and it is very quick. It's latency is very low added with the high RPM it is slick.

It is pretty quiet (the 74gb model) because it uses liquid bearings.

Here is a pretty good review showing RAID 0 along with regular performance. They throw in a regular 120GB WD 8MB Cache drive as well. Those WD SE drives are the fastest regular IDE drives available. The Raptor drives are the faster desktop drive available.
Link

The 74gb performs very quick for just a single drive. Plus these babies come with a 5 year warranty.
 
Really guys I cant thank you enough. Ankalar, I understand what your saying, but from what I heard when socket 939 comes out they are making the FX-53 a 939 socket (also known as the FX-55).

And in terms of ram, 939's are to have unbuffered. Is there unbuffered ram with ECC? Or is there only registered that gets ECC?
 
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