First Screenshot!!! (need verify tho)

[Sprafa]

Im Getting pretty sick of people like you! You actually think this is a "favor" done by valve. Don't you know that the mod scene is the main thing that sells copies!? Believe it or not there will be people out there that are just buying HL2 to play HL1 source.. I don't know what makes you think that valve is into this just to make us happy. Theyre making money too.

You should be shot kiddo.

 

[ShinRa]

You should be shot kiddo.

Good argument back. You had nothing to say, because he's right, but you couldn't just leave it at that, could you?

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Im Getting pretty sick of people like you! You actually think this is a "favor" done by valve. Don't you know that the mod scene is the main thing that sells copies!?

Half-Life sold shitloads by itself. That was one of the reasons the mods were so popular. Any mod maker had a potentially huge audience at their finger tips. Valve CERTAINLY does not need to release any source ports at all and Half-Life 2 will still make Valve buckets of profit. To say the main thing that sells copies is mods, is completey incorrect.

Believe it or not there will be people out there that are just buying HL2 to play HL1 source.. I don't know what makes you think that valve is into this just to make us happy. Theyre making money too.

I don't think i've ever read anyone say they're only buying HL2 so they can play HL:S. The percentage of people who are would be so incredibly small it simply wouldn't be worth the time porting the game over to target that extremely insignificant market.

From my point of view, this is a good will gesture from Valve. They are more in touch with what their community wants than many other companies. Would iD software ever port Doom 1 and 2 to the Doom 3 engine? No chance in HELL!! Carmack and his mates are too busy working on their next killer game engine to worry about pleasing fans or adding value to an existing product. Keeping in mind how other companies treat their fans i'm never going to criticsize the decision to port these old games. I'm not going to sit here and get all anal about the water looking out of place because no other company would even consider doing what Valve did.

So in conclusion, i think you're opinion is so horribly off-track that it should be ignored.

 

[ShinRa]

Fusion while your basically right, he does make some points. People need to stop thinking valve is honestly doing this for the game community. They're better off just not giving it to us. It looks like complete garbage, I think the original hl would be more enjoyable than that.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

They're better off just not giving it to us.

Amazing, just amazing you could actually have that opinion. Are you actually a Half-Life fan? Because 99% of half-life fans would love to play Half-life with physics and a few graphical enhancements....wouldn't they?

One of the first things the modding community would have started on was porting half-life 1 themselves. Valve have made the job much easier by doing the hard work for us. People are going to add better textures to the maps, better characters, sounds etc. Basically having a lot of fun modding it.

I usually respect peoples opinions but for some reason the criticism of this is really shitting me up the wall!!

relax...breathe in

 

[ShinRa]

But what I'm saying by they shouldn't even bother wasting a cd per package on it is because the graphics don't look better, honestly they look WORSE. And the water is like a silver sheet of metal. I'm hoping it's just the pic, and maybe they can release a few more screenshots, maybe of more familar areas. Otherwise, it just doesn't seem like they even wanted to do a port.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

You're going to honestly say HL:S looks worse? Lets get SERIOUS!!

 

[ShinRa]

Bro I'm dead serious. Original HL looks better imo.

 

[Incitatus]

Looks very photoshoped to me, no new models, no shadows, low res textures, no nothing. Just the water which I could do myself in photoshop

 

[Kyorisu]

Looks very photoshoped to me, no new models, no shadows, low res textures, no nothing. Just the water which I could do myself in photoshop

Would you like me to PM you an article from a magazine containing those 2 comparison pics up there?

HL:S is early alpha max. HL:S won't be out with HL2 no way in hell. Valve are only upgrading models, physics and water. Now look at that monsters tail... looks pretty low poly too me. I'm also going to take a gander and say that monster must be making that water ripple, causing the unpleasent effect in that screenshot.

 

[Kyorisu]

Bro I'm dead serious. Original HL looks better imo.

You're seriously becoming oldschool. You can't judge an unfinished project with one screenshot.

/Edit something stuffed up big time and split my post in two, I think it was to do with my usage of Quote. Anway sorry for double post.

 

[Iced_Eagle]

I think guinny is drunk or else he's stupid.

VALVe is releasing this on the new engine, with some enhancements!! Well first of all, it's better than a pure direct port. Second, the engine is much easier to mod, can do complex lighting/shadows etc etc etc and you can implement the facial animations (yea i know a bunch of u are thinking dirty you pervs ) etc etc

So just because VALVe doesn't want to take a year out of development to revamp everything doesn't mean we have to complain, we can mod HL1 to be HL2 quality!!!

 

[sublidieminal]

Valve may not make alot of profit money wise for HL1 Source but its the "thought" that counts. Now that valve can pull a nice little half assed mod out of their ass they cahrmed most of your little fanboy hearts. They achieve profit by gaining hl2 pride, which leads to more street credit of course! In the end it all leads back to getting more $$$.

 

[ShinRa]

I think guinny is drunk or else he's stupid.

VALVe is releasing this on the new engine, with some enhancements!! Well first of all, it's better than a pure direct port. Second, the engine is much easier to mod, can do complex lighting/shadows etc etc etc and you can implement the facial animations (yea i know a bunch of u are thinking dirty you pervs ) etc etc

So just because VALVe doesn't want to take a year out of development to revamp everything doesn't mean we have to complain, we can mod HL1 to be HL2 quality!!!

Thanks for telling me everything I already know. Now when you can give me a valid reason as to why they should even release that garbage, besides the fact WE can mod it, cuz we could just start it from scratch and do it in the same time as to just revamp the "port"

 

[NeptuneUK]

will they change any of the models dya thinks?

 

[sublidieminal]

No, theyre leaving that up to the mod community

 

[Prince of China]

You want to know what I want to see Valve finish on the Source engine?

Spoiler

Half-Life 2

Yeah. If Valve should complete annything, it should be that.
Half-Life: Source will be the same Half-Life with better( to some people) graphics.

 

[lans]

So what if it's half-assed. It's free.

Anyway - I'm not bothered too much, as long as I get HL2, I don't mind anything else source.

 

[Prince of China]

Okay...it's free, but Valve may be concentrating their free time on this a bit to much. Valve should concentrate on only Half-Life 2.

 

[Kyorisu]

Is anyone here actually a valve employee, no I don't think so. We don't know how much time and staff they are dedicating to anything.

 

[x84D80Yx]

no offence, but i was kinda expecting more. and i gotta say that hl1:source pic looks like ass. :x

sure go ahead and and reply with the ..

"its free"
"its unfinished"
"dont judge it by one screenshot"
"they are not changing alot of the art"
"again with the whiners"

but i really could care less. i hate to say it but i agree with guinny. (even tho his response to this pic may be a lil extreme, but he has a point to me)

it just looks garbage. and hopefully the next pics of hl:s released will look a bit better

go ahead and flame away

 

[ShinRa]

i agree with guinny.

im keeping this one

 

[TaBzOr]

Hi.
The texture quality seems HORRIBLE! :angry:
AND... Where is the Bump-mapping?? ;(

 

[PvtRyan]

no offence, but i was kinda expecting more. and i gotta say that hl1:source pic looks like ass. :x

sure go ahead and and reply with the ..

"its free"
"its unfinished"
"dont judge it by one screenshot"
"they are not changing alot of the art"
"again with the whiners"

but i really could care less. i hate to say it but i agree with guinny. (even tho his response to this pic may be a lil extreme, but he has a point to me)

it just looks garbage. and hopefully the next pics of hl:s released will look a bit better

go ahead and flame away

Let me add one to the list:

"It was never claimed it would look much better, we knew a long time ago that the changes would be very subtle, only if your expectations were high then this could have been a disappointment."

 

[Scapegoat]

Let me add one to the list:

"It was never claimed it would look much better, we knew a long time ago that the changes would be very subtle, only if your expectations were high then this could have been a disappointment."

Yup, PvtRyan's right, they've always said that it would be a direct port, no new models or anything - just differences between the physics and lighting and shader effects. Gabe even said that if people wanted a huge visual change then they should wait for a mod team to unofficial recreate the game (where are those people?).

 

[arx]

Looks nice, but i think it's too bright in there - they should make lights darken.

 

[FragBait0]

he texture quality seems HORRIBLE!

Well, that would be because it's the original HL1 content throw through a different renderer...

AND... Where is the Bump-mapping??

Again..its the same stuff on a different renderer...so where are the bump/normal maps going to come from?

It's painful when n00bs can't read a thread. More so when regulars can't either...I don't have a problem with newbies, just n00bs. n00bs being newbies that are excessivly dumb.
/flames

Really, I have to say, why are Valve bothering? *If* it is the final sort of image we are going to see then I think Valve should leave it to the modders. They'll get it right. Or they won't bother
The entire mood of the scene is wrecked. Bad or good graphics.

And, please, get over the "graphics" thing people. It won't kill _you_ if it's not uber leetie 9800XT killing stuff.... What about the gameplay? Huh? You forgot what it means? I thought so.

Spare frames in HL1 -> AA and AF.
Bet you can't run HL2 with 6xAA and 16xAF!