First they attack our rebate and now our food!

[Feath]

you didn't even have a vote, pussies.

The UK fully intended to have a referendum. We put the vote on hold after The Netherlands and France rejected it. If countries are 'pussies' for not voting, why don't you have a go at Sweden, Italy, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Slovakia and Slovenia? These countries didn't have a vote and didn't intend to.

 

[Kangy]

"The only thing they have ever done for European agriculture is mad cow disease"

Now that's actually pretty funny...and true.

What, whereas French agriculture drains millions from the rest of the EU? Grow up, and stop picking on the UK. We do far more for the EU than most of the other members. BSE wasn't even limited to our country, we were the only country with enough guts to say something about it, instead of pussy footing around the whole issue.

 

[Gray Fox]

The UK fully intended to have a referendum. We put the vote on hold after The Netherlands and France rejected it. If countries are 'pussies' for not voting, why don't you have a go at Sweden, Italy, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Slovakia and Slovenia? These countries didn't have a vote and didn't intend to.

they are pussies to, but the fact is we had a referendum, and we voiced our opinion, you're government was to scared, so don't start on us with not beeing able to make our minds up, you can't even ****ing make your minds up about holding a referendum.

 

[kirovman]

they are pussies to, but the fact is we had a referendum, and we voiced our opinion, you're government was to scared, so don't start on us with not beeing able to make our minds up, you can't even ****ing make your minds up about holding a referendum.

Our government's collective mind is made up - they'll introduce the referendum when a yes vote is likely. Not before.

 

[Kangy]

they are pussies to, but the fact is we had a referendum, and we voiced our opinion, you're government was to scared, so don't start on us with not beeing able to make our minds up, you can't even ****ing make your minds up about holding a referendum.

What's the point in having a referendum if the subject of the referendum has just be nullified by other countries voting against it?

 

[Gray Fox]

What's the point in having a referendum if the subject of the referendum has just be nullified by other countries voting against it?

to see how much suppert there is even if a few countries don't like it, still you didn't even have a referendum so you have no right to say that we can't make up our minds.

 

[mortiz]

to see how much suppert there is even if a few countries don't like it, still you didn't even have a referendum so you have no right to say that we can't make up our minds.

No, The Dutch and the French made up our minds for us. As soon as you voted no everyone knew the constitution was dead, it would have been foolish and pointless for us to have a referendum. It would also have cost money, money which could be spent on more important things.

 

[kirovman]

No, The Dutch and the French made up our minds for us. As soon as you voted no everyone knew the constitution was dead, it would have been foolish and pointless for us to have a referendum. It would also have cost money, money which could be spent on more important things.

Like serving Haggis to Chirac in his meal doing the G8 summit. :/

BTW haggis is great, and I'm not even Scottish.

 

[Kangy]

to see how much suppert there is even if a few countries don't like it, still you didn't even have a referendum so you have no right to say that we can't make up our minds.

The consitution would never work without those two countries - it'd be a waste of time and resources.

 

[Gray Fox]

Yes but you can still look at how much people support it, and if they don't what the reaons are, the critique of the french and the ducth became clearer after the referendum, because the people take it more seriously.besides this still doesn't give you the right to say we can't make up our minds, you didn't even have the referendum.

 

[kirovman]

Yes but you can still look at how much people support it, and if they don't what the reaons are, the critique of the french and the ducth became clearer after the referendum, because the people take it more seriously.besides this still doesn't give you the right to say we can't make up our minds, you didn't even have the referendum.

You can see how much people support it with polls much less expensive. And I don't think anyone said you can't make up your minds (except a forum user maybe, which is irrelevant to the politics of the EU).

The politicians set out a referendum when they expect a result in their favour. Corrupt democracy?

 

[Edcrab]

As they say, a capitalist democracy is the worst type of government there is, except for all the other ones people have tried in the past.

And I'd have to agree (for once) that a referendum wasn't entirely necessary to all those countries so they had good reason not to bother- as said, the constitution was dead in the water and an expensive public vote is pointless considering the fact that a few lone nay-sayers in the international community could stop it in its tracks. If you wanted to get a feel for public opinion, hell, a simple poll is far cheaper and more practical.

It's just an illusion of free will really- led to believe you're making your own decisions, when really you're thinking what they want you to think!

/me puts on his Paranoid hat and twitches

 

[mortiz]

Yes but you can still look at how much people support it, and if they don't what the reaons are, the critique of the french and the ducth became clearer after the referendum, because the people take it more seriously.besides this still doesn't give you the right to say we can't make up our minds, you didn't even have the referendum.

Ha, that's a joke. You'll find most people who voted in their respective referendums didn't even read the document nor no what it really meant of their countries. Most voted "non" just to get back at their Governments. It had nothing to do with the constitution in its self nor provided anything insightful into what should be done with it in the future.

 

[Raziaar]

Okay... from what I get out of all this, is that france judges other countries based on their foods, rather than more substantial reasons. Seems rather shallow to me, and only furthers my opinion that france is governed by bigger idiots than america is.

Also... whats wrong with fish and chips? I'm an american, and I believe fish and chips is battered fish with french fries, right? I think its a delicious meal. I have it here in the states as well, and it tastes good.

Lots of french people hate fish and chips? Well... i'll tell you this... if you think it tastes like shit, guess who its named after in the states? Thats right... french fries.

haha.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Yeah...the world is full of idiots. Not just america. We just look like the biggest idiots because we have the most media to cover how dumb we are. We have it pretty dang good actually compared to other countried who can't even afford news to broadcast to the rest of the world on how crappy their country is.

 

[Gray Fox]

Ha, that's a joke. You'll find most people who voted in their respective referendums didn't even read the document nor no what it really meant of their countries. Most voted "non" just to get back at their Governments. It had nothing to do with the constitution in its self nor provided anything insightful into what should be done with it in the future.

No you are a joke, you are right most people did not read he whole constitution, but that wasn't necesairy, many people had good point, there were many debates, the information campaignwas very good.hell we even had one on this site, so before you make a complete ass of yourself, atleast search this forum.
This referndum was a blessing, there is no price you can put on the amount of knowlegde the dutch and french people gained about politics, and certainly not about the amount of knowledge the politicians gained about their poeples own worries and hopes.

 

[The Monkey]

Heh, when all Sweden has done for Europe is porn and bad dance music?

Well at least they're enjoyable

Seriously, I don't understand why everyone connects Sweden with porn. Producing porn is pretty much illegal here, with all the feminists running around and everything.

 

[Raxxman]

All those leggy blondes Monkey

And Grey Fox, sure we could waste time and money on a referendum which is ultimately meaningless, but we don't want to. What we gain is trivial to the time and cost of running one. That and with the population thinking 'Well it's not going to matter anyho' you're not going to get a solid answer anyway.

 

[Razor]

Okay... from what I get out of all this, is that france judges other countries based on their foods, rather than more substantial reasons. Seems rather shallow to me, and only furthers my opinion that france is governed by bigger idiots than america is.

Also... whats wrong with fish and chips? I'm an american, and I believe fish and chips is battered fish with french fries, right? I think its a delicious meal. I have it here in the states as well, and it tastes good.

Lots of french people hate fish and chips? Well... i'll tell you this... if you think it tastes like shit, guess who its named after in the states? Thats right... french fries.

haha.

A chip is not a french fry, french fries are really thin where as a chip is nice and chunky .

 

[mortiz]

No you are a joke, you are right most people did not read he whole constitution, but that wasn't necesairy, many people had good point, there were many debates, the information campaignwas very good.hell we even had one on this site, so before you make a complete ass of yourself, atleast search this forum.
This referndum was a blessing, there is no price you can put on the amount of knowlegde the dutch and french people gained about politics, and certainly not about the amount of knowledge the politicians gained about their poeples own worries and hopes.

Resorting to personal insults now are we? To mask a weak argument for having a referndum perhaps?

This referndum was a blessing, there is no price you can put on the amount of knowlegde the dutch and french people gained about politics,

Ha, I can't believe you think that the French or the Dutch people are going to take anything away from the referendum, besides biterness or a satisfaction for getting back at the E.U. leaders. The truth of the matter is; most people don't care about the constitution now, it's gone, which is exactly the reason why we're not having a referendum. Heh, I can see it now, Joe Blog who lives on a council estate in East London is really going to give a shit about the E.U. constitution in a years time. Yeah, that's enough reason to have a refrendum.

Honestly, if your only argument is that it gives people a better understanding of poltics, try again, it's weak to say the least. We have enough big debates coming up in this country that are relevent and will affect Joe Blogs life without the constitution referendum, take ID cards for example, everyone's going to get a wake up call from the debate about them.

 

[Gray Fox]

Honestly there is no arguing with you, you must live under a rock or somthing to have so little knowlegde about what went on with the referendum~you are simply dumb and just make baseless accusations.

 

[Feath]

I'm relucant to do this because there's far too much of this kind of thing in this forum. But anyway.

you are simply dumb and just make baseless accusations.

Yeah but the only reason why france is the least popular country in europe is becasue the british don't consider themselfes part of europa, and thats the way we view you bloody bastards too. To a lot of eurotrash like me on the mainland you're just another extension of the US, snobbish and arrogant country that that doesn't want to participate in mainland business.

 

[Gray Fox]

What's baseless abot that, it´s the simple truth, you hardly participate in anything, you don´t even have the euro. You people saying france is the least liked country in europe is like the US saying that, it still doesn´t mean we don´t dislike you more.

What is baseless is accusing a country that it can't make up it's mind, when it clearly did. When you didn't even have a referendum in your own, for what ever reason. There is no base for you to accuse us that we can't make up our minds when you do not know what your own country would have done

And what is baseless and dumb is accusing dutch and french of not knowing shit about what they voted for, while beeing to lazy and dumb to do a search on this site, or even google.

 

[^Ben]

Uh oh, someone dosent have a proper argument. So they are going to restort to insults.

What's baseless abot that, it´s the simple truth. Integrity = 0.

 

[Feath]

What's baseless abot that, it´s the simple truth, you hardly participate in anything, you don´t even have the euro. You people saying france is the least liked country in europe is like the US saying that, it still doesn´t mean we don´t dislike you more.

What is baseless is accusing a country that it can't make up it's mind, when it clearly did. When you didn't even have a referendum in your own, for what ever reason. There is no base for you to accuse us that we can't make up our minds when you do not know what your own country would have done

And what is baseless and dumb is accusing dutch and french of not knowing shit about what they voted for, while beeing to lazy and dumb to do a search on this site, or even google.

Denmark and Sweden don't use the Euro. Are you saying those Countries are as ignorantly anti-Europe as, you suggest, the UK is Anyway, why should any country use the Euro if it's not in that country's best interest.

The French being the most disliked survey is an actual survey. It was quite famous over here. We aren't just making it up.

 

[^Ben]

And the survey was conducted by the French.

 

[kirovman]

Joining the Euro isn't a popularity contest, it has major economic repercussions.

 

[Feath]

Yeah, I completely disagree about joining the Euro just to show that we are good Europeans.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

I used to think joining the Euro was a good idea..

I didnt understand it at all then. Glad I didn't get to vote on it!





The Euro is a pointless system, it offers few real advantages. And to be honest, we are doing very well without it. Get over it and live with it I say.

 

[Raziaar]

A chip is not a french fry, french fries are really thin where as a chip is nice and chunky .

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Fishandchips.jpg

Looks like french fries to me. French fries come in all shapes and sizes, from thin cut(not thin like a chip, though), to thick cut.

That picture on wikipedia looks exactly like french fries.

 

[Gray Fox]

Denmark and Sweden don't use the Euro. Are you saying those Countries are as ignorantly anti-Europe as, you suggest, the UK is Anyway, why should any country use the Euro if it's not in that country's best interest.

The French being the most disliked survey is an actual survey. It was quite famous over here. We aren't just making it up.

I didn't say you were anti-europe I said that many people including me think you are arrogant bastards that aren't considerd to be a european country by many, unless they stop to think about it, and the fact that you do not have the euro, and arent involved with europe as much as other countries doesn't help you either. Nor this thread. And the same go's for the scandinavian countries, exept they aren't viewed as arrogant. And the stiff upper lip image doesn't help ypu either. I have an Idea, why don't you explain to me why when there is a poll made about where you live Uk is often separated from europe in the choices, why is that. it's exactly what I'm talking about you aren't really considerd part of europe. Why don't they have a survey about who people dislike more the UK or france, then you'll se how loved you really are.

 

[Kangy]

I didn't say you were anti-europe I said that many people including me think you are arrogant bastards that aren't considerd to be a european country by many, unless they stop to think about it, and the fact that you do not have the euro, and arent involved with europe as much as other countries doesn't help you either. Nor this thread. And the same go's for the scandinavian countries, exept they aren't viewed as arrogant. And the stiff upper lip image doesn't help ypu either. I have an Idea, why don't you explain to me why when there is a poll made about where you live Uk is often separated from europe in the choices, why is that. it's exactly what I'm talking about you aren't really considerd part of europe. Why don't they have a survey about who people dislike more the UK or france, then you'll se how loved you really are.

I suspect anyone with any real idea of the EU would probably dislike France more. They constantly try to grab more power within the Union, and drain huge amounts from the fund to prop up their economy. And what does the UK do wrong? Not subscribe to a single currency straight away, because it hasn't had a very good start?

If you think of the EU like a marriage, we're the sensible ones here. Nobody goes out on 3 dates, and then accepts the proposal and marries the next day.

Let's face it, Europe has fought the biggest wars ever seen throughout history against each other, and suddenly we're expected to band together into a single state after 50 or so years strenously allied against the big nasties on either side? Taking it slowly, thinking about things, watching how it happens is far more sensible than jumping in on every new attempt to make the EU into a superstate.

 

[Razor]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/00/Fishandchips.jpg

Looks like french fries to me. French fries come in all shapes and sizes, from thin cut(not thin like a chip, though), to thick cut.

That picture on wikipedia looks exactly like french fries.

Now that is a chip .

 

[Raziaar]

Now that is a chip .

And those look JUST LIKE french fries. except maybe shorter. Hell... french fries are even thinner sliced than that at the regular places here in america! Greasier too, probably.

 

[Kangy]

Yeah, you don't really get thinly sliced things here - which I like, because I always feel ripped off by those salty pieces of rubbish McDonald's sell.

 

[jonbob]

KFC do the best chips.

 

[kirovman]

I didn't say you were anti-europe I said that many people including me think you are arrogant bastards that aren't considerd to be a european country by many, unless they stop to think about it, and the fact that you do not have the euro, and arent involved with europe as much as other countries doesn't help you either. Nor this thread. And the same go's for the scandinavian countries, exept they aren't viewed as arrogant. And the stiff upper lip image doesn't help ypu either. I have an Idea, why don't you explain to me why when there is a poll made about where you live Uk is often separated from europe in the choices, why is that. it's exactly what I'm talking about you aren't really considerd part of europe. Why don't they have a survey about who people dislike more the UK or france, then you'll se how loved you really are.

I don't think this thread will affect European politics at all, I hardly think Jacques Chirac is going to say to Tony Blair at the G8 summit:

"Sacre bleu, Tony! Have you seen what your countrymen have been writing about us on halflife2.net? France will not stand for this! Delete these posts on halflife2.net immediately!"

 

[Gray Fox]

I suspect anyone with any real idea of the EU would probably dislike France more. They constantly try to grab more power within the Union, and drain huge amounts from the fund to prop up their economy. And what does the UK do wrong? Not subscribe to a single currency straight away, because it hasn't had a very good start?

If you think of the EU like a marriage, we're the sensible ones here. Nobody goes out on 3 dates, and then accepts the proposal and marries the next day.

Let's face it, Europe has fought the biggest wars ever seen throughout history against each other, and suddenly we're expected to band together into a single state after 50 or so years strenously allied against the big nasties on either side? Taking it slowly, thinking about things, watching how it happens is far more sensible than jumping in on every new attempt to make the EU into a superstate.

ok thats a good point, but the same go's for France.