From high to low?

[Garfield_]

I've been playing and really enjoying games in high settings with my 17-inch CRT monitor for few years now. Now I've ordered a brand new Viewsonic VX2025wm 20.1-inch Widescreen monitor with a resolution of 1680x1040.

So I'm a little worried if my AMD 64 3200+, X800XL and 1GB DDR will be able to run games smoothly on such a high resolution. I don't have any money to upgrade my PC atm.

Any ideas?

 

[The Brick]

They can run smoothly but not with the newest games at high detail.

 

[Stigmata]

What resolution did you run games at on your CRT?

1680x1040 = 1 747 200 pixels per frame.
1280x1024 = 1 310 720
1280x960 = 1 228 800
1024x768 = 786 432

If you ran games at 1024*, you'll probably end up getting half the performance running on your LCD's native resolution. But honestly, scaled-up images don't look *that* bad. It's almost like anti-aliasing.

 

[Garfield_]

Yep, ran everything in 1024*768.

 

[giant384]

you will have to run on low-medium settings to play at that resolution.

 

[Barney Fife]

Depends on what's the highest resolution your v-card can handle.

Example: if your xxxx-card can handle up to 1024x768 and your monitor can put together 1600x1200 pixels, you can set the screen resolution to 1600x1200 in normal surfing time, but when it comes to gaming your v-card is limited to gather 1024x768 pixel. And your frame rate Will massive drop in games.

Research your V-card spec and her capability and set it accordingly to its ability. 1024x768. How genetic.

Here is an example of BFG's 7900GTX spec http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1929943&Tab=2&NoMapp=0

Good Luck.

 

[giant384]

Depends on what's the highest resolution your v-card can handle.

Example: if your xxxx-card can handle up to 1024x768 and your monitor can put together 1600x1200 pixels, you can set the screen resolution to 1600x1200 in normal surfing time, but when it comes to gaming your v-card is limited to gather 1024x768 pixel. And your frame rate Will massive drop in games.

Research your V-card spec and her capability and set it accordingly to its ability. 1024x768. How genetic.

Here is an example of BFG's 7900GTX spec http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1929943&Tab=2&NoMapp=0

Good Luck.

all monitors now support widescreen,but your games wont look as good if they are not played on the native resolution. also where do you get this info where it will only gather 1024x768 pixels at 1600x1200???

 

[3ssence]

. How genetic.

Generic ?

 

[Stigmata]

You and your DNA.

Okay, here's how it's going to work: You have your widescreen monitor with a native resolution of 1680x1040. You run games at 1024x768. You set your desktop resolution to 1680x1040, and that all runs fine. You find a driver for your monitor that will allow for "letterbox" resolutions, allowing 4:3 aspect ratio resolutions to display without being stretched to widescreen (which is normally 16:9). Install that, then run games at 1024x768.

Assuming said driver works properly, the image will be expanded to fit the monitor vertically, and will be equally stretched horizontally instead of being stretched all the way to the edges. It will leave black bars on the left and right, consisting of unused pixels.

This way, your 4:3 image doesn't get stretched to a widescreen image, though it still gets scaled up to fit vertically.

 

[Barney Fife]

all monitors now support wide-screen, but your games wont look as good if they are not played on the native resolution. also where do you get this info where it will only gather 1024x768 pixels at 1600x1200???

I did not say it will only gather 1024x768, I said your frame rate will massively drop, sometimes totally black-screen, if you set game to higher resolution than your card is able to handle.
If that's maximum resolution of the card (1024x768) that's all its going to draw without compromising performance. if you set game higher than 4:3 to wide-screen you must also know that you will need more pixels to fill, and believe me 1024x768 will not look good on wide-screen you need higher resolution than 1024x768. And this was an example as I have stated "EXAMPLE" before my sentence.
Don't worry where I got this information but I want you to try.
Up until about a year-1 1/2 yrs ago the maximum resolution used to be 1024x768, hl2 supports wide-screen and I have seen people set game to wide-screen not knowing v-card not able to handle and they end up with black-screen.

Generic ?

Yes, Thank you. :cheers: That's all.

 

[Asus]

I'm confused, barney. lol
:dozey:

 

[Barney Fife]

OMG Asus, I'm tired and have 15yr old hangover....I will explain myself more a little later. I shouldn't have drink that much.

 

[Garfield_]

Why the heck would I buy a 20" widescreen monitor if not using its full capability to play games in 1680*1040? Of course I want to play at maxiumu resolution, else it's no use to buy this one

What I know is that game performace will drop by 40-70% depending on the game. I might be able to play HL2 on high settings but FSAA and AF disabled on 30-60 fps.

Only bad thing is that I might want/have to spend lots of cash on a new graphics card, cpu, motherboard and ram. Except that it'll just be great, movies, work, websites and most of all my room will look better and more comfortable

 

[Barney Fife]

OK let me make it short and to the point, without examples and in detail.
If you buy a high resolution monitor like wide-screen make sure v-card supports it.

Every video card has a maximum resolution, that maximum resolution of the v-card should fall below the maximum screens resolution.
Also most games until very recent do not support wide-screen, that should be something one should think about.
There, I hope I'm now making more sense.

Good Luck.

 

[Asus]

Every video card has a maximum resolution, that maximum resolution of the v-card should fall below the maximum screens resolution.
There, I hope I'm now making more sense.

Good Luck.

If you said the Video card should support the same or higher resolution of the screen, that I understand. I'm not sure what your point is I guess.

 

[Barney Fife]

Asus why are you giving drunk people hard time?
I lost the point OK, Find your own point I'm going to sleep.

 

[giant384]

Why the heck would I buy a 20" widescreen monitor if not using its full capability to play games in 1680*1040? Of course I want to play at maxiumu resolution, else it's no use to buy this one

What I know is that game performace will drop by 40-70% depending on the game. I might be able to play HL2 on high settings but FSAA and AF disabled on 30-60 fps.

Only bad thing is that I might want/have to spend lots of cash on a new graphics card, cpu, motherboard and ram. Except that it'll just be great, movies, work, websites and most of all my room will look better and more comfortable

you dont really need AA as bad on 1600x1200 resolution and up its hardly noticable, but 19" monitors are still nice. also i have no idea what barney is saying either; because the max resolution of the video card wouldnt matter at all.

 

[Reaktor4]

I did not say it will only gather 1024x768, I said your frame rate will massively drop, sometimes totally black-screen, if you set game to higher resolution than your card is able to handle.
If that's maximum resolution of the card (1024x768) that's all its going to draw without compromising performance. if you set game higher than 4:3 to wide-screen you must also know that you will need more pixels to fill, and believe me 1024x768 will not look good on wide-screen you need higher resolution than 1024x768. And this was an example as I have stated "EXAMPLE" before my sentence.
Don't worry where I got this information but I want you to try.
Up until about a year-1 1/2 yrs ago the maximum resolution used to be 1024x768, hl2 supports wide-screen and I have seen people set game to wide-screen not knowing v-card not able to handle and they end up with black-screen.

Yes, Thank you. :cheers: That's all.

I think youre getting mixed up with people setting their refresh rate too high for their monitor to handle. And resolutions well above 1024 have been available for years. Even ancient cards support resolutions up to 2048.

 

[Barney Fife]

OK let me set this straight, once again, since I'm less drunk now.

When it comes to gaming, the 2048x1536 advertised in most ancient cards will be out the door.
2048x1536 only applies to when you're at your Desktop, staring at your Icons.
Mind as well, there are some games and cards that don’t support windscreen option, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116381 please check and read the recommended resolution at NewEgg.
Recent cards (256MB, 400-500MHz Core and 400MHz RAMDAC) can only support 1024x768 the highest, without massive lost of frame-rates.
This issue where you must play with your screen recommended resolution and V-card’s highest out-put resolution in games, “Give And Take”.

The reason why I can’t be understood is that because I’m not talking about normal operation of Monitor vs. V-card. My discussion is mainly based on when you start playing games. Everything that the advertiser claim the card will do, will be at the mercy of the game and its engine.

Don’t let me kill your buzz, I will choose LCD instead of CRT when it comes to anything. My screen recommended resolution is 1600x1200 and all of my games are set to 1024x768x32bit. Otherwise my 6800 Ultra will start smoking. And my frame will drop from over 80-90 to like 25-35FPS.

Also, here at this forum, you all saw with me, people complaining about when they set resolution higher than 1024x768 they get BSOD, meaning card kicking the puckett.

Anyway if you got a decent V-card then my theory or whatever I just said should be disregarded.

Good Luck.

 

[giant384]

OK let me set this straight, once again, since I'm less drunk now.

When it comes to gaming, the 2048x1536 advertised in most ancient cards will be out the door.
2048x1536 only applies to when you're at your Desktop, staring at your Icons.
Mind as well, there are some games and cards that don’t support windscreen option, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116381 please check and read the recommended resolution at NewEgg.
Recent cards (256MB, 400-500MHz Core and 400MHz RAMDAC) can only support 1024x768 the highest, without massive lost of frame-rates.
This issue where you must play with your screen recommended resolution and V-card’s highest out-put resolution in games, “Give And Take”.

The reason why I can’t be understood is that because I’m not talking about normal operation of Monitor vs. V-card. My discussion is mainly based on when you start playing games. Everything that the advertiser claim the card will do, will be at the mercy of the game and its engine.

Don’t let me kill your buzz, I will choose LCD instead of CRT when it comes to anything. My screen recommended resolution is 1600x1200 and all of my games are set to 1024x768x32bit. Otherwise my 6800 Ultra will start smoking. And my frame will drop from over 80-90 to like 25-35FPS.

Also, here at this forum, you all saw with me, people complaining about when they set resolution higher than 1024x768 they get BSOD, meaning card kicking the puckett.

Anyway if you got a decent V-card then my theory or whatever I just said should be disregarded.

Good Luck.

the resolution you play on in games is all personal preference. there is not just supported resolution for games. well mabye some really old games, but it depends on your monitor max resolution. also everyone sees fps differentlly in games. some might not mind the low fps and or are use to it and others love to have 80+.

 

[Stigmata]

and others love to have 80+.

And pretend to be able to notice the difference between 70 and 80

(you can't, btw)

 

[Mutley]

A smooth 30fps is enough for any game to be honost. As long as it doesn't jerk between loads. I guess that's the benefit of having more fps.

 

[Barney Fife]

I can't remember which game (Over 50 games at my disposal), but there are some games that are "Some what, unplayable" below 40 frames.

So yeah, I also do pretend to notice between 80-85, any serious gamer would.

 

[3ssence]

I like a good 50 upwards.

The majority of lcd screens have 60hz refresh rates, so once you go above 60fps you'd be hard pressed to notice, as the screen can only update 60 times per second anyway. Plus, once you go above that kind of level of fps, the human eye will not a actually register any difference, you may however fool yourself into thinking it looks noticeably different....

 

[The Brick]

I can't stand the drag of the mouse under 45 fps in css. Quake3 must be 70+ at all times... In any non-shooter 30 fps would do.

 

[3ssence]

Yeah, i agree with the mouse drag in css brick, infuriating. I can happily play sp games with a framerate of 40 odd, but online, mainly css, it needs to be perfectly smooth.