Galloway: Bombing Blair 'justified'

[Raeven0]

Sometimes, killing, war, violence, and antagonism are necessary and justified.

Truth doesn't go away just because you don't believe in it.

 

[Solaris]

Solaris,

WTF are you talking about? You should hang your head in shame, Jesus; Razaair,a guy from America knows more about UK politics than you do. For goodness sake please shut up.

He doesn't.

The Lib democrats have always opposed the war. Of the three main stream parties they were the only ones who unanimously voted against it. Not one of them approved, not one abstained, they all voted against it.

I do credit them with that, they are however just not hitting the government hard enough with it. As soon as the war started he did as promised, he and his party supported the troops.
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Whilst George Gallloway:

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They have always been an antiwar party and said so without resorting to sensationalism and tacky remarks that Galloway seems to wallow in. This demi god who you seem to think represents true British feeling is an insult.

Cummon, George Galloway went to the senate and really beat the turth into them. He got the anti-war message out to a global audience, now that's speaking out against the war. He was the largest voice against the war from the start, the guardian agrees with this
He's still speaking out against the war now, the liberal democrats on the other hand are supporting the troops and thus supporting the war.

Jesus,is there anything this guy couldn't say that you wouldn't agree with?

He is wrong, you are wrong, accept it and move on.

He's against abortion, but wouldn't want to change the law. I'm pro abortion, so yes I don't agree with him on everything.

 

[baxter]

He went to America to beat the truth into them? Did he nick, as the link you provided says

Perhaps the war's most outspoken critic, the Labour MP for Glasgow Kelvin has faced a series of allegations regarding his relationship with Saddam Hussein's vanquished regime. Documents the Daily Telegraph has claimed it unearthed in Iraq's former foreign ministry allegedly detail payments to Mr Galloway.

He went to answer the charge (which I believe still hangs over him) that he profited from his relationship with a mass murderer.
(We’ve been down this road, you know my feelings on this matter, so let’s not get drawn into this again).

What exactly do you mean by the Lib Democrats supporting the troops? Are you saying we shouldn’t care and support our troops? To do so is to support the war is it?
Should I actually be hoping that more people get killed, especially our own troops?
Drop this line of thought as it is as misguided as the belief that any murder is morally justifiable.

 

[Solaris]

He went to America to beat the truth into them? Did he nick, as the link you provided says

He went to answer the charge (which I believe still hangs over him) that he profited from his relationship with a mass murderer.
(We’ve been down this road, you know my feelings on this matter, so let’s not get drawn into this again).

He was there to defend himself, but used the opppertunity fantastically for the anti-war movement.

What exactly do you mean by the Lib Democrats supporting the troops? Are you saying we shouldn’t care and support our troops? To do so is to support the war is it?
Should I actually be hoping that more people get killed, especially our own troops?
Drop this line of thought as it is as misguided as the belief that any murder is morally justifiable.

The Lib Dems said they are behind 'our boys' 100%. George Galloway asked for troops to refuse to follow orders to go to Iraq. Which statement do you think had the potentcial to stop the war?

 

[baxter]

Tell you what Solaris, why don't you put it to the test?
Do me a favour and hop onto a bus that takes you to the nearest military barracks. Find a bar full of squaddies (It shouldn't be that hard, since its Saturday night) and put it to them.

Mind and say you don't support them 100% and you think it would be a good idea if they started disobeying orders.

Also do me another favour post a few photographs of yourself, from which ever hospital you wake up in tomorrow.

 

[Solaris]

Tell you what Solaris, why don't you put it to the test?
Do me a favour and hop onto a bus that takes you to the nearest military barracks. Find a bar full of squaddies (It shouldn't be that hard, since its Saturday night) and put it to them.

Mind and say you don't support them 100% and you think it would be a good idea if they started disobeying orders.

Also do me another favour post a few photographs of yourself, from which ever hospital you wake up in tomorrow.

Actually a good many soldiers have refused to obey orders and go to Iraq, there's been one in the news recently who is going to court with the defense the war was illegal, should be an intresting trial.

And what's your point? Most soldiers arn't going to refuse, but the more support they have from politicians and the general public the more likely they are to do so.

 

[baxter]

My point is that I do not support this war but like the vast majority actually support our troops.
It is not their fault they are over in Iraq fighting in this mess. They deserve and should receive our unreserved support, unlike the individuals who started this.
It is totally unacceptable to be slagging off individuals at ground level and encouraging them to let down other individuals on the ground by disobeying orders.
Whether a good many soldiers have refused to go to Iraq is a matter for their own individual conscience and not something that your demi God should making political mileage out off.
In the same way he should not be making political mileage out of morally justifying murder.

 

[Solaris]

My point is that I do not support this war but like the vast majority actually support our troops.
It is not their fault they are over in Iraq fighting in this mess. They deserve and should receive our unreserved support, unlike the individuals who started this.

They choose to join the armed forces, something I don't hold against them. But they were told to do something illegal and immoral; which would help kill innocent civillians. The people who deserve our support are the downright heroes who refused to fight, knowing they'd be going to military jail for a long time.

It is totally unacceptable to be slagging off individuals at ground level and encouraging them to let down other individuals on the ground by disobeying orders.

Then the people on the ground should have teh moral conscience not to fight as well.

Whether a good many soldiers have refused to go to Iraq is a matter for their own individual conscience and not something that your demi God should making political mileage out off.

If you think he's wrong you go at him for that, but if he's right he get's called for trying to advance his career. How can I argue why he's doing what he's doing? It's impossible to know 100% what anyones motivations are, all we can tell is what he's done. And trying and doing so much to stop a war is what he has done.

In the same way he should not be making political mileage out of morally justifying murder.

He's not, he gave his opinion to a quandary posed to him.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Wether or not the Coalition chose to invade Iraq, Radical Terrorists would still be attacking us due to our alliance with Israel. So really, to say that a terrorist is killing for the sake of those 10,000 people who he knew personally died, is not entirely accurate.

The actual reasons for commiting suicide, at a glance, are for more diverse and often times far less motivating then some would think. IMHO, the difference between a Cruise Missle and a Suicide Bomber is none.

It's still controlled death, wether instigated by vengeance or initiatives of hate still does not justify the act.