Game Over: Alyx & Eli Dead?

[TyrantII]

well finished the game, and a little sad it wasn't as plot heavy as HL1. Just wish they wrapped up and explained stuff a little more, but it was enjoyable.

So from the looks of things both Alyx, Eli, and Mossman are dead as the dark energy reactor exploded (and by the name most likely worse then an antimatter explosion, which means a big boom).

So it's safe to say theres a possibility that city17 was wiped off the map, and all our other friends are gone if the reactor exploded in that way.

Gman might have saved them, but who knows....

my guess is HL3 will deal with a new storyline for 1/2 the game, and possibly going back and stopping yourself in HL2 half the game. (due to breens warnings, the wierd ending, and not knowing if your working for good or evil with Gman)

 

[Fighter]

You never see them actually die, I doubt they did....

 

[Armageddon00]

Well sorry to all the Pervs but Alyx is more than 90% chance of being dead. Breen said that the room files with "elements yet to be named by earth scientists" and "You will die in everyway probable and improbable" It seems Alyx must be dead... As for City 17, Eli, Mossman, Etc. Theres a chance they are alive.

On the subject of stopping yourself.. that would probably mean going against the 'assignment' the Gman sets out for you. Mister G wont like this... Unless of course the Gmans employers want you to save your self (maybe the employer is gordon from the future!?!!, just a thuoght)

 

[Messermeier]

valve, dont kill alyx, dont kill the others!


i know i repeat myself ;(


we will have to live with the fact that we dont know what happens to them .. until .. god knows when

 

[Fighter]

You cant make this kind of assumption. HL2 is not a realistic game, you dont know what is going to happen when that thing blows. Breen said it is going to happen if the teleporter activates, it never did.

What you see in the end is Alyx getting hit by the shockwawe of the explosion nothing more. You dont know if everything is going to be destroyed, you assume that but it is not a fact. There might be time to get out or there might not be, Gman or Dog or whoever else migh save her. There are endless things that could happen in science fiction. How exactly did you come up with 90%?

I am sorry for your theory but it is likely that Valve will save Alyx for the Pervs as you put it.

 

[Armageddon00]

I suppose your right Fighter..
It just seemed that the huge Explosion was fate..

Then again look at The Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe That is one scifi book where ANYTHING could happen, why not a scifi game i suppose..

just read messermiers sig... wow... i mean im a nerd with no gal but wow... she was hot though...

 

[Chronos]

Breen said it is going to happen if the teleporter activates, it never did.

Couldn't have said it better - Breen promised everyone would die if he teleported... Strange teleporter, that is, then...

Anyhoo, what we have seen might be a not-so-powerful explosion, perhaps Dark Energy reactors are more safe than nuclear reactors (which does NOT produce nuclear explosion when something goes wrong, because there's no critical radioactive mass). But that's all speculation... Alyx might actually be in danger... I do hope G-Man rescues her, after all, otherwise Freeman might become a disgruntled employee!

As for the Citadel tower, I think it wouldn't collapse, and if it does, I guess Dog can catch it and hold it in place until they evacuate the area, and then throw it upward, effectively bypassing Earth's gravity and sending entire damn thing to space, since Dog is one damn son-of-a-gun motherloving arse-kicking bot I have ever seen!

 

[Armageddon00]

She is certainly in danger.. the magnitude of this danger is the real question here

Hot of the Press

Valve announces Half Life 2: DOG

 

[Chronos]

valve, dont kill alyx, dont kill the others!

[(spoiler)]
http://www.riesenameisen.de/hl2/dka.jpg

Petition anyone?!

This might be a decent idea actually. One online petition that could make a difference, since they are not too much into designing sequel/expansion. Or we can just all send postcards like this The picture is really good too.

 

[Messermeier]

Petition anyone?!

where can we start one? :E
i mean, seriously *g*

The picture is really good too.

thanks *g*

 

[Armageddon00]

Mouth drops to floor..

Its only Alyx im sure there will be another gal in HL3 to druel over if shes dead

 

[TyrantII]

well i thougth about it for a while, and everything pointed that she was in grave danger at that second. why else would the Gman scoop you up and away right there.

after all, lets look at the scene. Just beofe you tear down the final parts of the reactor, Breen shouts "don't do it, you could bring the whole tower down" which leads us to believe that this reactor is pretty damn powerful/unstable when you mess with it. Also time pauses when alyx is hit by the air shockwave, and you can see she's off balance and being thrown back. What we see where the reactor once was is a very dangerous looking explosion developing, and traveling fast toward both of us before Gman stops it.

Now eli and Mossman are in the tower, and if Breen was right (and we should assume he was, as he knows the toer ebtter then we do) they're in for a 3 mile ride to the ground, and fast. Don't foget, it apears the teleporter/dark energy reactor travels the length of the citidel (remember throwing combine into it at the lower levels?)

No as i said i just assumed this reaction would be like an nuclear or antimater explosion, but it may not. But with the grim ending, why not hit a grand slam? take city 17 off the map!

a little off topic, what was the use anyways? there are citidels in many cities all over earth, not to mention the other combine strongholds (air plant, ect). Why would this one citidel and city matter? wouldn;t they all be working on teleporters and have dark enegery reactors? Why VALVe, why did you leave us no information at all!?


guess they truely want us to be driven crazy till they wrap it up in HL3

edit: Messermeier, that is awsome! haha. How about one where you put her in that kitten picture with a caption

"everytime a dark matter reactor is phscannoned apart, Gman kills an alyx"

 

[Armageddon00]

a little off topic, what was the use anyways? there are citidels in many cities all over earth, not to mention the other combine strongholds (air plant, ect). Why would this one citidel and city matter? wouldn;t they all be working on teleporters and have dark enegery reactors? Why VALVe, why did you leave us no information at all!?

Working on maybe the key.. Seeing as City 17 is conceivably the provincial capital of Earth it would HAVE to have teleport as for the other ones they may not have a teleport thus stranding the combine here making it easier for earth to rebel and (this is more of a wish that wont happen) crown Gordon their King

 

[Bing_Oh]

I strongly suspect that, assuming there is not intervention by the G-Man (or other outside forces) that Mossman and Eli will have been killed in the explosion of the Dark Matter Reactor. Barney, Kleiner, and Dog have a better chance, being that they are not in the Citadel itself. Alyx, however, will almost certainly be saved by the G-Man. His interaction with her indicates that she was frozen in time just as Gordon was. Perhaps she will prove to be a pawn in the G-Man's games...or a bargaining chip for the G-Man if Gordon decides to rebel.

As for the significance of the teleporter in City 17, it is one-of-a-kind. The other cities have Citadels, but not teleporters. It was the teleporter and the Dark Matter Reactor that made City 17 the capitol of the Combine forces on Earth.

 

[Armageddon00]

Ok assuming that Alyx is alive then the series will continues with Gordon eventualy defeating the combine (most likely). So what role would Alyx play in the rest of this? Just as Gordon's sidekick/friend?

 

[Chronos]

where can we start one? :E
i mean, seriously

Sure, here it is: http://www.petitiononline.com/

You can use your picture in the header page, if it is possible.

I will be the second one to sign.

Those petitions can be used for anything. Most of the times they do nothing, i.e. when people requesting something like: "Make Spielberg Director of Star Wars III" and stuff....

This one, however, may show Valve how people truly care, and actually influence their decision. Not saying they will do exactly what we say, but at least that will show 'em

 

[f|uke]

Gman saved Gordon (again). I dont see why he couldnt save Alyx too.

Petition is pointless. VALVe already knows if she'll come back, and personally I think its pretty obvious she will.

Eli and Mossman could easily be somewhere safe,. if there was another teleporter besides the one that blew up when you went through it with Alyx.

 

[Armageddon00]

But when we left them (Mossman and Eli) they didnt seem to be near a teleporter (after all we just came up there wouldnt we have seen it on our travel?)

Why bother saving Alyx anyhoo?

 

[SupahFly]

Petition is pointless. VALVe already knows if she'll come back, and personally I think its pretty obvious she will..

Optimist. Valve does't have a clue right now. They'll brainstorm a few times ... maybe they come up with some stupid explenation , but more likely she will just show up without any explanation on what happend. And the fanboys will all be stunned by the great & powerfull storytelling. :cheers:

Eli and Mossman could easily be somewhere safe,. if there was another teleporter besides the one that blew up when you went through it with Alyx.

Naah , probably it was just a dream. Hl3 will start with the Gman waking you up , saying you where having that stupid nightmare again. :imu:

 

[Armageddon00]

A Dream would be interesting but no probable if so then what was all of HL2 for?

 

[f|uke]

"It was all a dream" is an old cop-out that would rob any meaning from the entire plot.

We were made to care for Alyx, and she did not die. There is reason for hope. Would VALVe keep our hopes up just to kill her and make nothing of it?

Alyx lives.

 

[SupahFly]

who will tell ?
keeping the fanboys buzy for a while ?

 

[Armageddon00]

Killing Alyx would give a motivation to continue on and ultimatley own whoever killed her so there is definatly a possibility that Alyx is dead as for eli i dont know but i hope mossman dies - i never liked her much even b4 she did her whole help breen then not help ... she always was jelous of my 1337ness in Black Mesa

 

[Fighter]

well i thougth about it for a while, and everything pointed that she was in grave danger at that second. why else would the Gman scoop you up and away right there.

a little off topic, what was the use anyways? there are citidels in many cities all over earth, not to mention the other combine strongholds (air plant, ect). Why would this one citidel and city matter? wouldn;t they all be working on teleporters and have dark enegery reactors? Why VALVe, why did you leave us no information at all!?

G-man takes you away because it is "Mission Accomplished" at that point in time. Thats my view.

City 17 is the headquarters for Earth's administration. A succesfull uprising there has a great chance of sparking a worldwide resistance movement. Thats one explanation, but the G-man or whoever is his employer might be playing a different game altogether.

On subject:

I should repeat myself, there is no one explanation as to what will happen to the citadel. Simply because it is a fictional thing, the logic that applies there is pretty vague.

Full destruction of City 17 would probably be taking it too far, but entirely possible.

The decisions about characters is simply with storywriters and there is no logical deduction that can be applied from what we know so far. I am pretty certain that they will keep all the main characters atleast for the next installment/expansion.

Sure Alyx is in danger, but like you've never seen it done in the games or movies before. She will make it in the last nano-second before the tower oblitirates itself or be miraculously resqued by [insert any HL2 character name here].

Now if Alyx be shot in the head that would be a difficult one to explain. Otherwise you can come up with atleast a dozen ways to have her "die another day" from the top of your heads I am sure.

 

[Messermeier]

Killing Alyx would give a motivation to continue on and ultimatley own whoever killed her

that means you would have to pwn yourself, because you're more or less responsible for it :|

Now if Alyx be shot in the head that would be a difficult one to explain. Otherwise you can come up with atleast a dozen ways to have her "die another day" from the top of your heads I am sure.

two dozens.

 

[MaverickUK]

You cant make this kind of assumption. HL2 is not a realistic game, you dont know what is going to happen when that thing blows. Breen said it is going to happen if the teleporter activates, it never did.

What you see in the end is Alyx getting hit by the shockwawe of the explosion nothing more. You dont know if everything is going to be destroyed, you assume that but it is not a fact. There might be time to get out or there might not be, Gman or Dog or whoever else migh save her. There are endless things that could happen in science fiction. How exactly did you come up with 90%?

I am sorry for your theory but it is likely that Valve will save Alyx for the Pervs as you put it.

He said the teleportation chamber (where you fight him) will fill up with molecules that will in many ways kill you. From my knoledge he never states it will blow up. He says it blow up if you kill him like in the final battle.

P.S Thread starter please change the thread title and put a spoiler warning.

 

[Fighter]

....will fill up with molecules that will in many ways kill you....

After Breen safely teleports... If the teleporter functions properly...

At that point he does not think you will be able to destroy the teleporter, what you describe would happen if the actual teleportation occurs acording to Breen. Then he sais you might destroy the whole citadel, after you start damaging the teleporter.

I though he made it pretty clear.

It clearly starts to blow up in the end though, what I meant was there is no telling what the exact damage will be or the timeframe.

 

[MaverickUK]

No. I meant that if Gordon did not destroy or even touch the teleporter that will happen.

 

[Asknoone]

I doubt the entire citadel collapsed, perhaps the top was blown apart by the reactor explosion but little else...

afterall breen could have simply been trying to persaude you not to destroy the portal...and all he said was could

 

[MaverickUK]

Asuming the teleporter used antimatter(Dark Energy?) it would be one almighty explosion that would more than likely cause the citadel to explode.

 

[TyrantII]

well dark matter/energy is different, how diffrent? I don't know...

it exists and is seperate from antimatter, but i haven't looked into it much at all. I just know it's what scientists call the large ammount of matter they can't find/see that gives the universe the extra weight they do find.

as for changing the topic, i don't have that power (i think a mod needs to). Plus this is in the HL2 Singleplayer (Spoilers) Forum... why repeat ourselfs? Don't read in here if you don't wana be spoiled!




I agree it's a game and the writers can change anything, and logic won't always apply, but from what we know now, i'm just looking at possible theories.

I mean one possibility is the explosion grew no bigger and sounded like a huge fart. Now the probability of the story taking that turn is very small.

The last reason i think my hypothesis is close, is because look at her fase, and how sudden time stops. After the whole game playing with alyx, you develope a feel for her, and seeing this, atleast in me, made be concerned. Gman started taking me away, and i could feel myself esisting going with him, and trying to save here. But there was nothing to do, he scoops you away.

Maybe this is why he makes the "decision" for you, as he knows this time you won't make a rational decision, and stay to save alyx, and ultimatly die.

 

[GiaOmerta]

I'm 'assuming'

*BOOM*

Tip of the Citadel is blown off.

A.) Alyx is dead.
B.) GMan saves Alyx. (Say's he's typical thing.)
C.) DOG saves Alyx.
D.) GMan places Alyx in statis.
E.) Alyx wakes up on some random sidewalk.

Thinking these 5 are likely. One way or the other.

Realistically, she'd probably be dead. (Heat, Shockwave.)

It's a game... a very good on at that... so we'll, see.

 

[SenorDingDong]

Optimist. Valve does't have a clue right now. They'll brainstorm a few times ... maybe they come up with some stupid explenation , but more likely she will just show up without any explanation on what happend. And the fanboys will all be stunned by the great & powerfull storytelling. :cheers:



Naah , probably it was just a dream. Hl3 will start with the Gman waking you up , saying you where having that stupid nightmare again. :imu:

Valve defintly does have a clue, the story is all done. They would not end the game this way and then just fill in the rest after making it up. The story is done.

 

[CrimsonKing]

All I got to say is that Laidlaw is a genius.

 

[CoolFunkMan]

Indeed, it is an odd ending, but I doubt Valve would let everyone die.

My theory is that earth could have fused with the Combine home world, if that's what it is. If you look above the portal when the gunships arrive before you kill Breen, you can see an alien homeworld (Combine looking to me as it has many Citadel style towers.)

Afterwards, the explosion doesn't look like a natural one, so it could be the portal opening (unless this is the way dark energy works. or due to G-man's time manipultion.)

G-Man waited till the Combine took full force before sending Gordon on his mission, so if my theory is correct he could be waiting till the fusion is complete.

That's what I think anyway...

 

[TyrantII]

yes and the script was said to be hundreds of pages long, which means a detailed book on the plot of the game.

of cource alot of it wasn't used, or used in a way to make it more intresting, but im always gona wonder what the script calls for, and what it tells us about what was happening in city 17.

 

[sprinterboy]

its so frig'in obvious they did`nt die at the end, g-man has holted time and saved freeman and alyx and maybe the others. g-man will stop time again and put them back or forward ? to the black mesa again I think maybe ? ant theories on this.

 

[sprinterboy]

its so frig'in obvious they did`nt die at the end, g-man has holted time and saved freeman and alyx and maybe the others. g-man will start time again and put them back or forward ? to the black mesa again I think maybe ? any theories on this . the black mesa will look a lot different though

 

[Fighter]

I hope you dont have to play on some weird looking world like Xen. I rather like Earthly urban levels.

I have a more simplistic idea: The characters managed to escape out of a crambling citadel. Alyx possibly saved by the G-man, he doesn't really have to explain why. The saga will go on from there.

 

[LittleB]

How can you have such a huge spoiler in the thread title? People can see that in the main forum section you know...