Gamer Campaign against VUG

[fluX]

I was just thinking .. VUG can hold HL2 for six monthes, delay it or do whatever they want. It seems they have the legal right to do so.

The only thing to deter them is money; this has two parts:
1-They need revenue from HL2
2-They need money from other (future) games.

I think we can do something in that regard, to support valve (oh! how loyal are we! /sarcasm) and get HL2 asap.
We can play on the "reputation" card.

We can boycott VUG, we can spread the word about the issue, giving VUG a ad reputation among gamers. Game companies would move away from VUG .. etc. I don't know, but we surly can do something. After all this waiting .. we deserve HL2.

If VU delays HL2 intentionally just because of thier greed, they will surely piss alot of gamers off, and create a bad reputation for themselves.

But anyways, I would love it if it was our own (HL2 fans) pressure that forces VUG to release HL2. :naughty:

Try your best. They will be scared

BTW: VU will earn via sales over STEAM as well - they are not that stupid.

 

[Feath]

Try your best. They will be scared

BTW: VU will earn via sales over STEAM as well - they are not that stupid.

No they won't. That's one of the main points of the lawsuit.

 

[Dougy]

Maybe if valve had just shut their traps and finished the game we would not be seeing VUG threatening to hold the game?

of course though, with fan boy logic im a vice chairman of VUG in diguise or a doom 3 whore becuase we all know that valve can never ever ever be wrong about anything at all in anyway......

 

[Feath]

Maybe if valve had just shut their traps and finished the game we would not be seeing VUG threatening to hold the game?

of course though, with fan boy logic im a vice chairman of VUG in diguise or a doom 3 whore becuase we all know that valve can never ever ever be wrong about anything at all in anyway......

Spending time over a game is a good thing. I'm glad that Valve is independant and publishers don't have influence over them. Like id, Activision doesn't care when they finish games because they know the games will sell well.

 

[Scaramanga]

Go here:
http://www.vugames.com/contact.do

Spam their mailboxes.

 

[fluX]

No they won't. That's one of the main points of the lawsuit.

That would be really strange. Just imagine you are a selling cars. Like uhm Porsche. Then someday Porsche ltd. tells you: "Ok, we are actually selling them ourselves from now on. Biiiig factory outlet."
Well, I would be pissed...

It would be interesting to know what the truth and the original contract setup is. Since VU took over Sierra I guess there is a lot of work for the biggest menace on mother earth: LAWYERS! (eek)

 

[Feath]

That would be really strange. Just imagine you are a selling cars. Like uhm Porsche. Then someday Porsche ltd. tells you: "Ok, we are actually selling them ourselves from now on. Biiiig factory outlet."
Well, I would be pissed...

It would be interesting to know what the truth and the original contract setup is. Since VU took over Sierra I guess there is a lot of work for the biggest menace on mother earth: LAWYERS! (eek)

Have you read the Gamespot articles? Sierra gave Valve the rights to sell the game online in 2001.

 

[dusk]

er and what would we sue them for? lol Havent done anything wrong to us (legally)

Psychological damages. I think an 8 or 9 figure settlement would be in order.

 

[fluX]

Have you read the Gamespot articles? Sierra gave Valve the rights to sell the game online in 2001.

Hm, do you have information about the profit sharing? Having the right to sell is not the same as sucking up all the profits.

 

[jimbones]

I am totally pissed at VUG for declining all attempts by the press to get a comment on this whole situation.

They are trying to hide something.
Them bitches..

I'll be buying HL2 over steam. there. :dork:

 

[Feath]

Hm, do you have information about the profit sharing? Having the right to sell is not the same as sucking up all the profits.

Well, Valve have already said that they get 2.5x more money when they sell the game online. And if Vivendi did end up making money from Steam sales, I doubt they'd be complaining about Steam.

And why should Vivendi get money from sales on Steam? They have invested little/no money into Half-Life 2 and no money into Steam.

 

[Octavian]

Eh. If they throw a tiff with the game I'll just download it via steam. Cuts their profits a bit and boosts Valve's. My two-cents. Literally.

 

[fluX]

Well, Valve have already said that they get 2.5x more money when they sell the game online. And if Vivendi did end up making money from Steam sales, I doubt they'd be complaining about Steam.

And why should Vivendi get money from sales on Steam? They have invested little/no money into Half-Life 2 and no money into Steam.

I think it is a contract issue nevertheless. As far as I understand the gaming industry, a publisher like Vivendi is in charge of

1. QA (quality assurance, getting the bugs out)
2. Production, Packaging
3. Shipping
4. Marketing

Since 1. is needed for both selling channels, 2.-3. only for the store version and 4. for both I see a reall clash of interests here.

Getting 2.5 x more money could also mean that you save all the money spent on points 2 and 3. and benefit from 4. (though marketing is already done by Mr. Lombardi himself

So I am still not quite sure if Vivendi does not get any money from Steam sales. It would really surprise me, especially it the thoughts above are somewhat close to reality.

 

[cadaveca]

i'm pretty sure that valve gets only 70% of STEAM as it stands right now.

 

[jimbones]

download it via steam. Cuts their profits a bit and boosts Valve's

my thoughts exactly

 

[Feath]

So I am still not quite sure if Vivendi does not get any money from Steam sales. It would really surprise me, especially it the thoughts above are somewhat close to reality.

Oh well, we'll probably never know. I still think it'll be strange for Vivendi's case if they do get money. They'd just be complaining that they don't get as much money, which is a bad argument, because they do less work.

If I were Vivendi, I would be happy with the retail sales alone. I mean, that's going to make them a fortune.

 

[fluX]

Oh well, we'll probably never know. I still think it'll be strange for Vivendi's case if they do get money. They'd just be complaining that they don't get as much money, which is a bad argument, because they do less work.

If I were Vivendi, I would be happy with the retail sales alone. I mean, that's going to make them a fortune.

If I were Vivendi I would really try and fight for the very cent. There is so much money involved here. Just imagine: If HL2 ships 10 Million times, this is profits in the range of (probably several) 100M$. It's worth fighting to get a big helping of that cake....

From a creative point of view, you are right. They did not do much. But that is like in other parts of real life business: Selling and getting the hardware out is incredibly important as well. And QA is., too. So I will happily pay them both as long as they get the freaking game out, damnit

 

[killahsin-[CE]]

Are you nuts? Do you have ANY idea how big Vivendi is? On top of that, VUG is only a distributor. If they look like a bad one, then game houses will choose another one. Nobody is going to attribute poor game sales to the distrubution company, unless they screwed something up royally.

The only problem with this is, not all game development teams can just pick a publisher.


The only way to hurt vivendi is to boycott them, and buy through steam only. Their latest earnings report was very, very, bad. They are relyign heavily on HL2, and WoW to pull them out of the red. V/VU/VUg are all different entities, and their earnings are all seperate. If enough damage is done to them in 2 more quarters you can be sure, NBC will push for restructuring. If the media firms keep it public knowledge as to why the games section of VU is failing misreably the changes will be made accordingly.

If I were Vivendi I would really try and fight for the very cent. There is so much money involved here. Just imagine: If HL2 ships 10 Million times, this is profits in the range of (probably several) 100M$. It's worth fighting to get a big helping of that cake....

From a creative point of view, you are right. They did not do much. But that is like in other parts of real life business: Selling and getting the hardware out is incredibly important as well. And QA is., too. So I will happily pay them both as long as they get the freaking game out, damnit

They analysts are speculating 200-300million from valve alone for VUg. This is also with steam in mind.

 

[boglito]

If VUG actually decides to hold hl2 hostage I will certainly do my best not to give them more money than I have to. Since they are so incredibly huge this does not mean not using their products, but it does mean not paying for them when possible.

Normally I pay for movies and games that I like to support the developers so they can continue their excellent work but if VUG holds hl2 hostage for any prolonged period of time and monolith (who are making fear) want my money for their game they had better establish a paypal account, 'cause in that case I'm not buying it from the stores.

This isn't about wether Valve or VUG are right in all their current lawsuits, it is about who keeps hl2 away from my sweaty little hands.

.bog.