games for windows live goes free and direct x 11 unveiled

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Holy shit, I wonder if this means more people will consider investing in gaming PC's?.

and as for cross platform.. especially in fps games, PC users are going to have a ball lol.
 
Not entirely there is that too. You still need a decent computer to play the latest games if your going to switch from paying on the 360 to free live.
 
Damn, now all my free Live keys are useless.
 
Eh, I guess I'm not up to speed with the industry. I really don't know what went free.

For a second there I thought we're talking about Xbox Live. Which should go free.
 
Wasn't GFW free already? I don't even have CP games, unless GOW or Halo 2 have that.
 
I'm with others here....wut?

Is GFW only Vista?
 
Yes Pitz. It's a scam for you to buy Vista.

So what. 3 new features?

  • New compute shader technology that lays the groundwork for the GPU to be used for more than just 3D graphics, so that developers can take advantage of the graphics card as a parallel processor
  • Multi-threaded resource handling that will allow games to better take advantage of multi-core machines
  • Support for tessellation, which blurs the line between super high quality pre-rendered scenes and scenes rendered in real-time, allowing game developers to refine models to be smoother and more attractive when seen up close
At this rate, we'll be at DX32 before I get a new computer.
 
Disclaimer: atomic says everything is a scam, including himself.
 
Lol. It's my favorite word.

But you'd only be 100% cross/multi-platform with OpenGL.
 
Any progress in the graphics department is good progress as far as I'm concerned. I'm interested in all of the parallel processor/multi-thread support stuff. Dual/Quad core CPUs haven't even been taken advantage of yet (though I recently got GoW for the PC and according to my CPU usage, it shows all four cores being used quite a bit, not the usual EVERYTHING HAPPENS ON CORE 1 with some stuff happening on the others.
 
Hm, might be incentive to buy Gears of War for the PC now.
 
atomicspark85 said:
Lol. It's my favorite word.

But you'd only be 100% cross/multi-platform with OpenGL.
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Yeah, if only they'd freaking release the 3.0 spec! Taking long enough and so many broken promises along the way.

It's not a scam. I honestly hope you don't really think it has only 3 things new. There are going to be quite a lot of differences, optimizations, enhancements all around, etc...

Personally, I prefer DirectX to OpenGL. It's a bit easier to use, and has lots of nice features along with it, and is very powerful. I just wish it didn't use a left-handed system. :-\ (Granted all you need is one matrix to switch it, but I still wonder why they didn't just make it right-handed like everything else)
 
StardogChampion said:
Did they honestly expect many people to pay to play PC games online?
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If they had all of their shit together and somehow found a way to revolutionize the online space, which is what they were hoping for, then yes they did expect it.

However, Steam has really kicked things up a notch and Microsoft knows they just can't compete with all of these free services on the PC with a subscription model.
 
atomicspark85 said:
Yes Pitz. It's a scam for you to buy Vista.

So what. 3 new features?

  • New compute shader technology that lays the groundwork for the GPU to be used for more than just 3D graphics, so that developers can take advantage of the graphics card as a parallel processor
  • Multi-threaded resource handling that will allow games to better take advantage of multi-core machines
  • Support for tessellation, which blurs the line between super high quality pre-rendered scenes and scenes rendered in real-time, allowing game developers to refine models to be smoother and more attractive when seen up close
At this rate, we'll be at DX32 before I get a new computer.
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Please stop calling everything a scam.
 
360 owners continue to fall for their scam. Multiplayer gaming should be ****ing free regardless the platform. Unless it's a MMO with continuous updates and improvements, **** off!
DirectX 11? You gotta be kidding me.
 
There are hardly any games out there taking advantage of DX10 atm tbh. I expect no doubt that ATI & Nvidia will somehow decide that PCI express is a redundant hardware format for it and expect everyone to jump ship to some newer technology as a result...
 
I think I figured it out, do they mean the 'gold only' features will be for all PC users? If that's the case, it may help A BIT, if at all. Of course I hope for lots.
 
Kadayi said:
There are hardly any games out there taking advantage of DX10 atm tbh. I expect no doubt that ATI & Nvidia will somehow decide that PCI express is a redundant hardware format for it and expect everyone to jump ship to some newer technology as a result...
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Blame the consoles for the lack of DX10 games. Consoles are still running on DX9 hardware, and I'm sure developers opt to make all cross-platform games DX9 only to save on development time and costs. We probably won't see DX10+ become the industry standard until the next generation of consoles. It's a shame, because a lot of nice features recent cards are capable of are going to waste. As for PCI-E, the new video cards are just finally starting to use all the bandwidth that 16x lanes allow. They still have a ways to go before utilizing all the bandwidth in PCI-E 2.0 though.
 
Sedako said:
Consoles are still running on DX9 hardware, and I'm sure developers opt to make all cross-platform games DX9 only to save on development time and costs.
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The exception being Alan Wake, coming on 360 (DX9) and Vista only (DX10). But we are talking about Microsoft marketing/money in this case.
 
PaoloM said:
The exception being Alan Wake, coming on 360 (DX9) and Vista only (DX10). But we are talking about Microsoft marketing/money in this case.
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Alan Wake will be DX9. Vista only means that you won't be able to play it on any other OS. It's the MS marketing machine at work.
 
Sedako said:
Alan Wake will be DX9. Vista only means that you won't be able to play it on any other OS. It's the MS marketing machine at work.
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Yeah, we know this little secret, but better not break Remedy's web of lies... ;-)
Hopefully we will get a hack to run the thing on XP too (Halo 2/Shadowrun anyone?)
 
I'm sure that it will be easy to make it run on XP. They probably just wont officially support anything but vista.

atomicspark85 said:
[*] Support for tessellation, which blurs the line between super high quality pre-rendered scenes and scenes rendered in real-time, allowing game developers to refine models to be smoother and more attractive when seen up close
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This actually sounds pretty ****ing awesome.
 
VirusType2 said:
This thread made me hate Microsoft.
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Why?

There is absolutely no reason for any of this "hate". I guess everyone has the memory of a goldfish or something because this is nothing new.

DirectX used to have yearly revisions so 6.0 came out, then next year 7.0, then 8.0, then 9.0.

Then they waited over two years to ship DX10 which was a major undertaking.

You guys should be thanking Microsoft for doing this and not doing exactly what they did a few years back with a new version of DX out every year, with multiple a,b,c versions. DX11 isn't out yet.

You have DX10.0, then DX10.1, now you have DX11.0.

It's not like they need every developer on the planet to go to DX10 before creating DX11. Developers still need to wait for the DX10+ market to grow before putting in serious resources, and on top of that, it will be a good amount of work to change the underlyings of the engine to take advantage of the new features.

Plus, all it is is an API, not so much a platform. API's should get updated frequently so that developers always have something fresh to look forward to and can decide which version is best for them to start working with.

On top of that, does everyone realize that with Vista and DX10 or DX10.1 hardware that you are already DX11 compatible? You do absolutely nothing extra on your part. You don't have to go out and buy a "DX11" GPU because they've been out on the market for a while already. Though, as with all hardware, newer versions of hardware will run the API better and will be more tuned to it. Similar to what we have now. It's not anything new.
 
1) DX10+ requires Vista

2) Alan Wake requires Vista

3) I don't want to use Vista

4) I hate consoles. The very few games that will be coming to PC anymore will require a different operating system. Remember back in the day, "compatible with win 98, mill, 2000, XP". now it's just 'Vista'

5) "Did they honestly think they could get us to pay to play online?"

Microsoft is basically like - if you want to play any newly released games, you either pay us like $300+ for a console, or $300+ for a new OS. Sure it's inevitable that OS will become Obsolete, but this is just forced upgrades, nothing more.

Sure, it's business as usual. Welcome to technology. Welcome to America. etc. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

This is similar to what Creative does though, and part of the reason I hate that company. They sell you hardware that will still be working for decades, yet they stop supporting them in just a couple years. And expect you to buy a new card every few years.
 
Maybe this time the new version of Direct X will add something more than sunbeams and a huge performance hit.
 
VirusType2 said:
1) DX10+ requires Vista

2) Alan Wake requires Vista

3) I don't want to use Vista

4) I hate consoles. The very few games that will be coming to PC anymore will require a different operating system. Remember back in the day, "compatible with win 98, mill, 2000, XP". now it's just 'Vista'
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Think back to the day that Microsoft broke compatibility with 95 and people complained. It had to eventually happen.

XP Graphics subsystem was getting really old and clunky (GDI = yuck!). They rewrote that entire subsystem for Vista, which meant that DirectX had to get a rewrite as well.

Considering the fact they did not want to go back and redo the entire XP driver model as well, which would have cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars, for what? So people can hang onto the legacy OS? Yes, tons of people use it. People always have to move on.

If you don't want to move to Vista, vote with your wallet. It was just shown that if people don't pay for a product, ie GFW Live, then Microsoft will take action if a majority makes that decision. Clearly, a lot of people don't feel the same way.

BTW, have you tried Vista for more than a month (using it for a few days, or a week isn't enough, you need to use it for a month or more)? Or are you going based off of mac ads, FUD on the internet and via word of mouth?

So if you want to hang onto XP, maybe you really don't like Vista, awesome, nobody is stopping you. If you want to move forward and play some of the next generaiton games, then Vista, DX10 is the only way. It's like complaining that Halo 3 wasn't ported to the original Xbox. People just need to move on sometimes, whether they are dragged kicking or screaming or not. It's the way of the world, and I promise you that probably nothing is going to change the path MS has chosen with DX10 and DX11 (you can try the voting with your wallet, but unless you can convince a whole heck of a lot of the gaming world, then I doubt it will work). It's just way too damn expensive for MS to do, and XP is getting close to EOL, and doing a huge rewrite is a horrible and risky choice.
 
I agree with you. I'm just not happy about it. Shit, I don't hate Microsoft, I'm using Windows right now - but I'm just aggravated.

I guess I'll just kiss gaming goodbye. I'm fed up with the lack of games for Windows, and finally one comes out that interests me...

Maybe I'd set up a bootleg or a trial of it to play Alan Wake, but I won't use Vista as my OS. I don't like it. I don't know my way around it, and I don't want to learn a new OS when mine works perfectly. It took me years to learn where every little setting is. I don't want to spend tons of frustrating time learning how to remove every performance robbing feature they added that I didn't need or want.

I just like having choices. The fact that I can't play it just pisses me off, it doesn't make me want Vista. I don't know what goes on in the code, but, to me, it seems Vista is just XP with a bunch of crap I don't want added on that makes it run like shit on my computers.

When an OS comes out that has things I actually want... I* mean you know? The Operating System should sell itself. I should be like, WOW THIS IS WAY BETTER. The old OS should be put to shame! I mean, isn't this the case with every other upgrade that you make - anywhere, ever?

So far, the only thing Vista has that I like is the visual appeal and, of all things, the lack of fragmentation. Neither of these are even selling points to me. Especially not with free visual upgrades for XP available.

I shouldn't have to be forced to get something just because it's newer and because they want more money.

Oh well, 5 years from now, I might not even care about anything I just said. I hope their new OS coming out in a couple years is really good, because I'll probably be wanting to play some new games by then.
 
I'll be getting Vista in a couple of months. :D
I think that it's been out long enough, so most of the problems people had with it should be fixed.

I just hope I won't have incompatibility issues up the ass.(ie: being unable to play BF1942, Battle for Middle-Earth 2, Call of Duty: UO, Diablo 2)
 
I'll upgrade when I absolutely have to which will be around the time Windows 7 is released.
 
Is market place going to be client side software that you have to download, because I prefer that than what they have now
 
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