Gay Teens Hanged in Iran

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This is quite desturbing politics.

Two teenagers have been executed after a religious court found them guilty of homosexuality.

The Iranian Students News Agency (ISNA) reports that the executions took place on July 19 in the northeastern city of Mashhad.

ISNA says one of the teens was aged 18, the other was a minor, believed to be aged 16 or 17.


Don't post ogrish links ~cpmrade
 
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F*ckers.

edit: Who the **** gets their news from Ogrish?
 
Sulkdodds said:
edit: Who the **** gets their news from Ogrish?
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That's what i was thinking, can't imagine that link (or this thread) will stay.
 
well i just bowsing the web on Google video & this was there so i fought it was interesting to share.
 
According to Article 152, if two men not related by blood are discovered naked under one cover without good reason, both will be punished at a judge's discretion.
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WTF??? I wonder what they would deem a "good reason"...

Man, and I thought homosexuals had it tough in the US because they can't get married! It seems homosexuals and women are equally demonized and harshly punished under strict Islamic law. How awful! Every story I hear about this sort of thing or the gang rape of a wife in Pakistan for slandering the husband's family or some such nonsense makes me sicker and sicker and I wonder what in the world can be done to stop such sickening behavior!!!

Oh yeah, and ogrish???? Virtually the most detrimental thing on the 'Net....
 
This is old news guys, it did happen and was on the news some time ago.
There are multiple newsreports on barbaric executions ( people are still getting stoned to death and die a torturous death), people imprisoned for "converting to another religion" etc. Where is the world going to...
 
Bah. Don't post ****ing Ogrish links. That site is disgusting.


But anyways, about the topic at hand. I don't care if you don't like homosexuals, you don't ****ing kill them!
 
Well, the problem is, in Iran, it seems that you do. When the religious leaders have extremely harsh (and often downright cruel) policies, and EVERYTHING is saturated in religion, you end up with this sort of thing. It's f*cking disgusting.

And people say America should go back to god... :x

EDIT: and, like everybody else said, don't post links to Ogrish. Anyone in their right mind should stay the hell away from that abominable site.
 
JNightshade said:
Well, the problem is, in Iran, it seems that you do. When the religious leaders have extremely harsh (and often downright cruel) policies, and EVERYTHING is saturated in religion, you end up with this sort of thing. It's f*cking disgusting.

And people say America should go back to god... :x
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Christians are above executing people for slight differences of sexuality and religion, etc in modern times.
 
they are not allowed and they haven't killed a minor (younger than 18 yo)
how the **** do you trust orgish anyway?
 
wow, you talk about radical Islam. But you just need to look at their civilization as an advancing one that's either going into the dark ages or coming out of them. 100 years ago, most countries probably would have done the same. But those free thinkers should keep their heads up; With all that repression something good is bound to happen, like an explosion of intellectual ideas.
 
Originally Posted by Raziaar
Christians are above executing people for slight differences of sexuality and religion, etc in modern times.
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For the most part, that's very true. However, it's not the Christians, but the Christian LEADERS, that worry me. Can you imagine what life would be like if Pat Robertson had complete control over every aspect of American life? And if he took control, he'd get a following- fast. Secularity is not only what America was founded upon, it's also what helps keep it strong. That, combined with openmindedness, is the antithesis to fundamentalism.
 
jerkasaur said:
they are not allowed and they haven't killed a minor (younger than 18 yo)
how the **** do you trust orgish anyway?
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Are you trying to defend the Iranian government?
 
VictimOfScience said:
WTF??? I wonder what they would deem a "good reason"...
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they were both doing a woman?

also what if they're not under any cover?


it also seems that if they're related by blood then some other law applies(I wonder if it's accepted then :p)
 
This is just as disturbing as that one kid who recently stormed that gay night club shooting and slashing at people with a hatchet. The world is a twisted place.
 
The scary thing that use Mercedes trucks to hang people....germany has "great"
relation with regime there....dumb politicians
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Are you trying to defend the Iranian government?
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please, you've defended worse ..oh and incidentily gay men have been tortured and executed in Saudi Arabia ...but since they're allies ......


on topic ...this did indeed happen but many sources including the ruling government that it was rape not because they were gay ..although many questions are left unanswered ..oh and it happened last summer ..not recently

http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews31/page4.cfm
 
CptStern said:
please, you've defended worse ..oh and incidentily gay men have been tortured and executed in Saudi Arabia ...but since they're allies ......
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No, I haven't, nor have I ever been fond of the Saudis. Our relationship with them is fragile only due to our dependence on their energy, which we should hopefully be able to break with ANWAR drilling. But to make it sound like I somehow like the Saudi government- completely untrue.


CptStern said:
on topic ...this did indeed happen but many sources including the ruling government that it was rape not because they were gay ..although many questions are left unanswered ..oh and it happened last summer ..not recently

http://www.sgn.org/sgnnews31/page4.cfm
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Ah well if it was rape, different. However, Iran's done it many a times in the past to people innocent of real crime who violated the social restrictions of the Iranian regime. That one girl who was hanged recently in the news for example.
 
Rape? ......i don't think so, 2 people punished for rape, what did they suddenly decide to rape each other or something?
 
jerkasaur said:
they are not allowed and they haven't killed a minor (younger than 18 yo)
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Are you actually justifying this?

You are a seriously ****ed-up individual if you think this sort of thing is OK.
 
As far as the news i remember hearing it was because they were "gay" and "warned multiple times".
Not sure though could be the media twisting stuff.
Anyways, its still sick to hang such young kids, and for rape? cmon.
 
jerkasaur said:
they are not allowed and they haven't killed a minor (younger than 18 yo)
how the **** do you trust orgish anyway?
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I hope you're not trying to defend it in any way. And I've already posted three other news sources, so it did happen.

Cpt.Stern said:
please, you've defended worse ...this did indeed happen but many sources including the ruling government that it was rape not because they were gay ..although many questions are left unanswered ..oh and it happened last summer ..not recently
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I don't see how it's relevant that he's 'defended worse' - it doesn't change the severity of what we're discussing - but in any case, yes we know it happened last summer. However:
- it has happened more than once and it seems indicative of Iran's general policy on homosexuality. I refer you to this and this.
- Furthermore, there are many arguments that the rape charges were trumped-up in order to convict the two homosexuals, and that article that you posted tells us that:
SGN said:
OutRage! continues to disagree. (Historically, both OutRage! and Human Rights Watch have proven to be reliable sources.)
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Sulkdodds said:
I don't see how it's relevant that he's 'defended worse' - it doesn't change the severity of what we're discussing - but in any case, yes we know it happened last summer.
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it is relevant because it points to motivation ...one case of barbarism is permissable the other isnt ..it's partisan politics at it's worst

Sulkdodds said:
However:
- it has happened more than once and it seems indicative of Iran's general policy on homosexuality. I refer you to this and this.
- Furthermore, there are many arguments that the rape charges were trumped-up in order to convict the two homosexuals, and that article that you posted tells us that:
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I'm not disputing the evidence, I'm very aware of how homosexuals are treated in developing nations. However I cant help but feel that this is a calculated PR campaign to continually thrust Iran into the public spotlight almost as if they're building a case for invasion based on humanitarian reasons ..it's exactly what happened in the months before desert storm and the lead up to current war. You couldnt flip through a news program without seeing daily montages of Saddam's cruelty and the threat he posed to decent people everywhere

Imprisonment, torture and excution of homosexuals is common place in countries like Saudi Arabia or Turkey but they rarely get any western media coverage because they're allies
 
sulk, hanging a less than 18 year old person is against both islamic and iranian rules, he could get imprisoned or even wiped, but not hanged. that's why i'm saying this. do you have any other source for this? like an actuall iranian-controled website or something?
Edit: you had a good point there stern, you never see these kind of news about saudi arabia, even though it happens, i mean like you know if someone steals anything in saudi arabia, they cut the hands... but why is the western media focused on iran too much?
 
iranian-controled website or something?
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Sure like the Iranians would promote this...
I can only remember seeing it on the news some time ago, although lately thats not a 100% credible source anymore :S

Perhaps we should browse some news reports/CNN reports to attempt to confirm if these teens were actually hanged ( what the pictures and news back then implyed ), and for what reasons.
 
Perhaps we should browse some news reports/CNN reports to attempt to confirm if these teens were actually hanged
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i lol'ed.
i don't trust no other source than an actuall iranian-controled website, cause i'm 100% sure it's against both islamic and iranian rules to hang a minor.
 
CptStern said:
it is relevant because it points to motivation ...one case of barbarism is permissable the other isnt ..it's partisan politics at it's worst




I'm not disputing the evidence, I'm very aware of how homosexuals are treated in developing nations. However I cant help but feel that this is a calculated PR campaign to continually thrust Iran into the public spotlight almost as if they're building a case for invasion based on humanitarian reasons ..it's exactly what happened in the months before desert storm and the lead up to current war. You couldnt flip through a news program without seeing daily montages of Saddam's cruelty and the threat he posed to decent people everywhere

Imprisonment, torture and excution of homosexuals is common place in countries like Saudi Arabia or Turkey but they rarely get any western media coverage because they're allies
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Turkey? Are you sure? I would doubt the EU would even consider letting them in if they are punishing homosexuality. Recently we got them to legalize adultery, but I would've expected this to have higher priority for the EU.
 
jerkasaur said:
but why is the western media focused on iran too much?
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I see stuff about saudi arabia all the time. The idea that no one cares what the saudi's do because they are our allies is complete bullshit on the part of stern though im sure he has some links from nationalsocialist.org that beg to differ.

Only trusting iranian sources on a matter that reflects poorly on iran is stupid. That is like only trusting george bush on matters that concern him. I'm not sure you know what a non-biased source is...and don't ask anyone here they don't either...but that is what you should trust.

And who the hell hangs people anymore? It's not like iran is lacking as far as firearms go.
 
it's not like the EU doesn't want Turkey in, it's just that it's trying to see how much Turkey would obey. at least as i see it.
Edit: the reason i ask for an iranian source, is that i'm pretty sure it hasn't happened. the 18 year old one, yeah, but the minor, no.
 
And who the hell hangs people anymore? It's not like iran is lacking as far as firearms go.
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They even stone people to death in Iran and sometimes force the convicted's kids to watch...
 
ok not execution (they have in the past imprisoned gays (80's and 90's)) ..they have taken steps to reform their policies since 2001 but discrimination and random arrests still occur


Ome_vince the same thing happens in Saudi Arabia
 
I think this is less of a calculated media "campaign" and more has to do with the public eye being currently focused on Iran with the recent incidents. Newsmakers know where the public eye is currently at and aim to take advantage of it.
 
They even stone people to death in Iran and sometimes force the convicted's kids to watch...
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they stone, yes, but not to death . and they don't force anyone to watch. that's what happens in iran. how are you that sure talking like this Ome?
 
I'm not disputing the evidence, I'm very aware of how homosexuals are treated in developing nations. However I cant help but feel that this is a calculated PR campaign to continually thrust Iran into the public spotlight almost as if they're building a case for invasion based on humanitarian reasons ..it's exactly what happened in the months before desert storm and the lead up to current war. You couldnt flip through a news program without seeing daily montages of Saddam's cruelty and the threat he posed to decent people everywhere

Imprisonment, torture and excution of homosexuals is common place in countries like Saudi Arabia or Turkey but they rarely get any western media coverage because they're allies
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Stern's right, they do execute Homosexuals there.

Ever watch a pair of them get tied up in bags, then have rocks thrown at them for an hour? Don't. Okay, do, if you need to be shaken up with how middle eastern law reguards homosexuality (with its per influence by Islam).

This is why I dislike Iran, well, this why I dislike most Middle Eastern countries.
 
i checked and asked a couple of people here, it actually happened and the judge ordered the execution, but he was taken to the suprime court for answers. it's not something that happens all the time. i'm really sorry for that gay dude.
 
jerkasaur said:
they stone, yes, but not to death . and they don't force anyone to watch. that's what happens in iran. how are you that sure talking like this Ome?
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Why are you so certain of things? Wiretapping is against the law, but Bush went ahead and did it. What makes you think that Iran always runs within the rules? Especially a nation whose president denied that Holocaust ever happened.

Edit: And I didn't notice your last post. Understood. *removes tension*
 
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