GIs mistreating prisoners in Iraq. :(

[GhostValkyrie]

OMG! This is absolutely disgusting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/

People in such authoritive positions need to be profiled, screened, and have a thorough record check. I can't believe such scum was in control of a prison. Not only do they shame the military, but they're making the situation worse with a wrongful representation of the US to the Arab world. I hope they get prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Good job making us look bad, you assholes! :flame:

 

[fizzlephox]

We are bad.

 

[Sprafa]

I like fizzle's attitude.

Americans always look bad, everyone does after a while. The press here is hardly mentioning it.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

Arround 8 British soldiers have also been put in the spot light here in Britain along with those troops. Kind of sad really that this level of unprofessionalism is still here...


(I know I can't spell)



Oh and btw, this news is old in pretty much everywhere but America. I just want to point out that little fact. We heard of it about 2 or 3 days ago. This is why I aint such a fan of american media coverage of the war. They don't show things like this until they absolutely have to. Call that patriotism if you will, but I think its holding back information to influence peoples view on the war....



Meh, I am tired. Sorry if you interpret this post as anti-USA. I have nothing wrong with americans or anyone else in this world.... I have said this all before havn't I...



You know I mean well

 

[GhostValkyrie]

I decided to delete my original post. You're right, guys, all Americans are bad.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I guess it was only a matter of time before something like this happened...I just wish it hadn't because it can only end in more violence.

 

[fizzlephox]

Oh yeah the Iraqi's as well as other middle-eastern peoples are gonna be extremely pissed about this. At least those soldiers had a few laughs, of course it's at the expense of their fellow soldiers who will end up dying in firefights with those people who have been so enraged by this.

 

[Letters]

The media coverage I see actaully in America tends to always be extremely negative on the war. Someone I know who went to Iraq commented on it and said how we don't get to see all the good things that happen, which happen outnumber the bad a great deal.

 

[fizzlephox]

All news is about the bad. The bad is more interesting and entertaining. The thing to wory about is if it's factual and to what extent.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

I actually find the good news to be more entertaining.

Like in some of the towns friendlier to the US where people were giving flowers to soldiers, and helping them tear down pictures of Saddam. And when the Military and the citizens over-took Baghdad and took down the statue.

 

[zEphyr]

I trust BBC news more than most other sources, even though I live in the u.s. There's a lot of shit here to sift through.

 

[Sprafa]

BBC is censored by the British Gov. since the Hutton Report.

I (and I'll say this again) only trust Reuters, sometimes I check the drudgereport, but that's rare.

 

[Dedalus]

BBC is censored by the British Gov. since the Hutton Report.

I (and I'll say this again) only trust Reuters, sometimes I check the drudgereport, but that's rare.

think you need to do some research there mate.

this has been up on bbc.co.uk for a couple of days now. i was waiting for GhostValkyrie to post it because if i'd posted it, it would have seemed hostile in some way.

here's the link for the UK divvys. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3675215.stm

can't find the article about the US tortures.

maybe it's frustration? maybe it's stupidity? who knows.

 

[zEphyr]

everybody across the world has to just cool down and get into all of the HL2 hype.

 

[MaddMexican]

All news is about the bad. The bad is more interesting and entertaining. The thing to wory about is if it's factual and to what extent.

You will never hear about anything good happing over there. The American news media controls the trickle of info.

It makes me upset that others are so quick to jump and label American soldiers as cruel to Iraqis. The people who did this are a small group out of the 150,000 soldiers stationed in Iraq.

 

[fizzlephox]

Hey Maddmexican you from Dallas/Fort Worth?

Anyways the American news media only controls american news. At least I hope that's all they control.

 

[MaddMexican]

Yes I live in Ft. Worth.

 

[Sprafa]

think you need to do some research there mate.

this has been up on bbc.co.uk for a couple of days now. i was waiting for GhostValkyrie to post it because if i'd posted it, it would have seemed hostile in some way.

here's the link for the UK divvys. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3675215.stm

can't find the article about the US tortures.

maybe it's frustration? maybe it's stupidity? who knows.

They can't isolate BBC from all other news agencies, but from the Hutton Report on the Birtish Gov. has the power to take down any news they want if they feel necessary. It's said they haven't doen nothing yet thou.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

this has been up on bbc.co.uk for a couple of days now. i was waiting for GhostValkyrie to post it because if i'd posted it, it would have seemed hostile in some way.

here's the link for the UK divvys. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3675215.stm

Unless you'd have said Americans suck or something like that, I wouldn't have taken it hostile. I won't cover up the misdeeds and wrong-doings people of this country make because I'm a patriot. Though others would disagree, I don't let my patriotism blind me from the horrors Americans have done. I want this country to be better, and for people who do such horrible acts to be punished.

As for waiting on me specifically, why?

 

[fizzlephox]

GhostValkyrie it's because you are the second of the three. You've got ear you've got ear moving all up in here! Hey I'll buy your "me time" for ten cents a pound. By me I mean you as in your.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Ack! Not again!

Second of what three, you ghoul?

EDIT: I never said when I'd take that me time.

 

[Pressure]

Things like this will always happen and thats as shame. Acts of just a few men can make a whole country look bad and cost other men their lives. This kind of crap sickens me.

OT: I love your avatar Ghost

 

[not28]

F*cking bullshit. That's all I can say.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Things like this will always happen and thats as shame. Acts of just a few men can make a whole country look bad and cost other men their lives. This kind of crap sickens me.

OT: I love your avatar Ghost

Yay! Somebody likes me!
Thanks!

 

[gh0st]

im sure the PRISONERS OF WAR want a bubble bath too. tough shit, they shouldent have gotten captured. ending sarcasm now.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

*sigh*

Can we please keep this clean?

 

[gh0st]

sure. i think its discusting but i agree with bush that it represents a tiny fraction of the character and good nature of our armed forces.

 

[fizzlephox]

I think we can all agree that GhostValkyrie's a lot more likeable than gh0st. Belittling things like this is one reason lots people don't like americans. Even if it was sarcastic, saying something like that was uncalled for and in no way funny.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

It does represent a small fraction. A fraction that needs to be brought to justice. Our military shouldn't give in to the same tactics Saddam's did. Video-taped executions and tortures, etc. We agreed to the Geneva convention, and we should hold ourselves to our promises. Therefore, these men deserve to be severely punished.

 

[Gorgon]

WTF, a British soldier is Pissing on the Iraqi prisoner.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Thanks, Fizzle.
I know that sometimes I can be a jerk like anyone else, but I really don't mean it. Anytime someone does what I see as wrong I get angry. And, in the heat of the moment I get caught up in my rage and end up making a comment that can be miscontrude as zealous or prejudice. Understand, when I address insurgents or terrorists I mean them, not Iraqis, Afghanis, Saudis, etc.

Just something I thought I'd address incase any of you thought differently.

 

[Gorgon]

Thanks, Fizzle.
I know that sometimes I can be a jerk like anyone else, but I really don't mean it. Anytime someone does what I see as wrong I get angry. And, in the heat of the moment I get caught up in my rage and end up making a comment that can be miscontrude as zealous or prejudice. Understand, when I address insurgents or terrorists I mean them, not Iraqis, Afghanis, Saudis, etc.

Just something I thought I'd address incase any of you thought differently.

So what are you saying is that these Soldiers are terrorists cause they did something wrong (against the law) ?

 

[GhostValkyrie]

So what are you saying is that these Soldiers are terrorists cause they did something wrong (against the law) ?

No, I was talking about when people have accused me of being zealous because I call terrorists animals, so then(for some reason) they think I mean all arabs and/or muslims.

But quite frankly, these soldiers are no better than those who did the same to our troops when they were captured. So even though I wasn't saying they are before, I think that's a fair way to put it. They're the same.

 

[gh0st]

I think we can all agree that GhostValkyrie's a lot more likeable than gh0st. Belittling things like this is one reason lots people don't like americans. Even if it was sarcastic, saying something like that was uncalled for and in no way funny.

i think i can agree that i dont give a rats ass what you think. sorry im misrepresenting a country on an internet message board by using sarcasm. ones nationality shouldent have a damn thing to do here.

 

[Gorgon]

No, I was talking about when people have accused me of being zealous because I call terrorists animals, so then(for some reason) they think I mean all arabs and/or muslims.

But quite frankly, these soldiers are no better than those who did the same to our troops when they were captured. So even though I wasn't saying they are before, I think that's a fair way to put it. They're the same.

OK, but Bush called

those who did the same to our troops.

are terrorists, and you called them "They're the same".

Does that mean they both are terrorists or is there any other TERM for THE SAME ?

 

[GhostValkyrie]

I don't know how to explain it any further.

[big flashing lights]-->The American and British soldiers who were torturing the Iraqi prisoners are no better than the Iraqi terrorists and soldiers who were torturing American prisoners.<--[/big flashing lights]

 

[fizzlephox]

i think i can agree that i dont give a rats ass what you think. sorry im misrepresenting a country on an internet message board by using sarcasm. ones nationality shouldent have a damn thing to do here.

That argument can apply to anything on a web board and isn't even a good one. What's the point of you arguing and saying no one cares what I think if, "it's just an internet message board".

It may be an internet message board but that doesn't change the fact that you can discuss topics with people and hear out valid opinions that may change how you look at things. I also think nationality does have almost everything to do here. The whole incident is about how this will make people view US and UK troops in Iraq (the incident also deals with morals). You just come off as mean, but again it's just an internet message board isn't it.

 

[LoneDeranger]

Can we stop using the word "terrorist" whenever someone does something evil?? Kinda reminds me of the cold war, except there you would call them "communists".

 

[fizzlephox]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. All the revolutionaries throughout history were probably considered terrorists by the monoarchs/governments and people who supported the government the revolutionaries were trying to overthrow. But these recent terrorists are nowhere near the same thing as those of the past.

I don't think any one can disagree on the fact that 9/11 and other attacks targeting civilians were heinous and just wrong acts. I still wouldn't apply the same term to describe people fighting armed soldiers in their home countries in a sense of liberating their homeland from another government thousands of miles away, to those targeting another country's civilians because of a hatred they have for that country's government.

 

[GhostValkyrie]

Can we stop using the word "terrorist" whenever someone does something evil?? Kinda reminds me of the cold war, except there you would call them "communists".

Well, we're talking about Iraq. Where terrorists and Saddam's henchman had previously taken Coalition soldiers captive. What do you expect me to call them, Gingerbread men? That's what they are, terrorists, isurgents, guerillas, etc. It's not like I'm pointing at someone looting a store and going *Gasp*" Look at what that terrorists is doing!" And I didn't say the soldiers were terrorists, but that they were simply no better than the terrorists for doing what they did - In the area of tormenting prisoners.

God forbid some soldier goes solo and starts bombing civilian homes and and the like. If that were to happen, then I'd call him a terrorist.

BTW: Terrorism isn't just blowing a building up. In fact, the very point of terrorism is to terrorize people, create fear, and to kill the very hearts of those who witness it. The very reason terrorist video tape their crimes, wait for cameras to show up, etc. Without coverage, there's no one to scare. Terrorism can be anything from a car bomb to a threatening letter.

I guess I'm stuck in Cold War mode, because I call something a communist when it doesn't work - like my computer, my friends, enemies in video games, etc. I don't mean it harshly, it's just a goofy habit and it seems to entertain people because it's out of the norm.