Goverment lie's

lol, now if they could release the video's and prove us wrong, that would work in their favour

missle, or fighter jet anyone?
 
the video's and message's do have a very stern point, where's that 757 airliner at?, if it was one..? how can it fly that fast that low without breaking up ,,scattering over a larger area, + how can a beast of a machine like that make such precise puncture holes. and then vanish.
 
...there's a conspiracy for everything...

MISSILE
 
Wow. I think anybody who believes this really needs to seek out a psychiatrist ASAP. Its times like these I wish the right to free speech didnt extend to everyone ;)
 
Seinfeld, if Cheney said it was a 757 to you, when it blatantly looks and moves like a friggin rocket or sleek lined jet fighter you'd still kiss his feet and believe the dude aslong as he gave you some candy.

heck if Cheney gave you some candy then bribed you for it, to post on forums to attempt to plant biased views, or denie the external right to search for the truth, you'd probably take it

if you believe there fighting for your intrests as a citizen some how? then fine, but no presidential cabinet has had this many FBI and intelligence screw ups before in the past, infact its totally out of context, something is very wrong.
 
There are some things that should be off limits to these wild conspiracy theories. 9/11 is one of them. Are you aware of the death toll? If I told you the USSR never existed Clarky, would you believe me? I mean, its not there now, so it never was! You seem to believe every wild thought that people are willing to throw in your direction. This kind of stuff truly is disgusting. People are willing to blame the US for one of the worst disasters in our history. Please use some common sense and stop this foolery. I dont get people's fascination with Cheney. Its almost to an obsession. Oh no, its raining! Damn Cheney, him and his secret weather lab must of cooked this one up! Oh and what about every media outlet who reported the same thing, oh yeah they were all in Cheny's pockets too :rolleyes:
 
Let's try not to let this degrade into personal insults if we can help it.

Not pointing fingers, just seemed to be the trend of the thread.

I mostly have to agree with seinfeldrules about the validity of this. There are many explanations for things that the video never mentions. To even remotely consider it true, I'd need a whole lot more than a fancy flash cartoon.
 
clarky003 said:
Seinfeld, if Cheney said it was a 757 to you, when it blatantly looks and moves like a friggin rocket or sleek lined jet fighter you'd still kiss his feet and believe the dude aslong as he gave you some candy.

heck if Cheney gave you some candy then bribed you for it, to post on forums to attempt to plant biased views, or denie the external right to search for the truth, you'd probably take it

if you believe there fighting for your intrests as a citizen some how? then fine, but no presidential cabinet has had this many FBI and intelligence screw ups before in the past, infact its totally out of context, something is very wrong.
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The history channel had a documentary on the pentagon that I saw about 6 months before 9/11. A lot of that stuff explains the condition of the pentagon. The section that it crashed in did exactly what it was supposed to do.

How are you supposed to believe testimony from people who never seen a missle detonate. Hell, I bet a majority of those people have never seen a plane take of or land (outside of the plane I mean). I bet the plane did sound like a missle. I bet they formed their opinons from movies which probably used a plane a sound effect noise for missles.

This is utter garbage. FFS, i can't even rant anymore. This utter garbage.

Hell, what happened to the 757 then? No explanation for that.

Where is the jet that launched the missle? A military jet sounds completely different than a commericial airliner. Besides the loud noise, they sound completely different.

The missle impact doesn't look like any missle impact footage I have ever seen before.

Crap, this stuff is so garabage its not even funny. Those creators of the video need to STFU. They have no idea what they are talking about.
 
seinfeldrules said:
There are some things that should be off limits to these wild conspiracy theories. 9/11 is one of them. Are you aware of the death toll? If I told you the USSR never existed Clarky, would you believe me? I mean, its not there now, so it never was! You seem to believe every wild thought that people are willing to throw in your direction. This kind of stuff truly is disgusting. People are willing to blame the US for one of the worst disasters in our history. Please use some common sense and stop this foolery.
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I didnt say I believed it, what if it just is, and your wrong , Im simply saying your just totally not excepting that this could be a completely different reality, where not everything is in Ideal US patriotic terms, but infact very screwed up , by some very selfish people, doing some very selfish things.

dont be so superficial, all you seem to do is take things for surface value , to satisfy your own belief and perhaps put rest to that horrible thought of your country's leader's being in cahoot's with some very powerful organization's that have other things on their agenda, other than providing for it's country.

its most likely more deep than you could possible imagine

and your common sense isnt very well structured if you cant see that a 757 leaves a mess of debris, and would look a little larger 2 feet off the ground on that cam ,

have you even watched the video through?

edit: wow, thats a quality rant Blahblahblah, that really got up your jacksie didnt it, :O

horrible thought none the less, but who knows, there just isnt enough evidence, where is it all, still makes it terribly suspicious
 
doesnt make sense. why was the pentagon security tape released while the gas station and hotels were confiscated.
 
clarky003 said:
the video's and message's do have a very stern point, where's that 757 airliner at?,
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The vast majority of it ended up inside the building.

clarky003 said:
how can it fly that fast that low without breaking up ,,scattering over a larger area,
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Planes dont break up becuae they fly fast and low, they break-up becaue they hit things strong enough to damage them. If the plane never hit the ground before it hit the pentagon, there would be no reason to think it would loose any parts before that time.

clarky003 said:
+ how can a beast of a machine like that make such precise puncture holes. and then vanish.
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The side of the Pentagon that the plane hit was a section that had reinforcements completed. The windows were designed to break as a single piece instead of shattering and the concrete structure had also been beefed up.

Now, no matter how much reinforcement you give a structure, if you apply enough force, it will break, which it did in the areas where the plane hit.

The plane went through the hardened exterior and continued onto the interior. The fireball resulting from the crash actually went through THREE buildings in the pentagon: The outer ring and two inner buildings.
 
Planes dont break up becuae they fly fast and low, they break-up becaue they hit things strong enough to damage them. If the plane never hit the ground before it hit the pentagon, there would be no reason to think it would loose any parts before that time.

im just exploring what isnt so clear, but what you said doesnt make sense, Aircraft like 757's dont cut through denser air very well at high speed and low altitude, it would be under alot of stress , and would most likely break apart. but there's not video evidence of this so who knows.
 
seinfeldrules said:
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/

Do you want real? Look at the videos at this site. Its disgusting people are willing to relive this for the sake of some lame conspiracy theory.
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for the sake of the truth you Bell, alot of people are still in the dark, everything given out is too vague, people are just basing their 'facts' on a few mens words. Men we dont even know. and their still only human. And to be quite frank, no matter who they are, I dont trust humans who have invested intrest in vast amounts of money, and global corporate organisations.
 
don't worry, had it been the clinton administration that was in office when all these evens happened he would have been the one that started this topic clarky... Free speech is still free, if you don't like the topic of this thread you DON"T have to post in it.
 
Innervision961 said:
don't worry, had it been the clinton administration that was in office when all these evens happened he would have been the one that started this topic clarky... Free speech is still free, if you don't like the topic of this thread you DON"T have to post in it.
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Amen to that.
 
don't worry, had it been the clinton administration that was in office when all these evens happened he would have been the one that started this topic clarky
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That is a complete lie. Do you see me blaming Clinton for the bombings in Africa, how about the USS Cole. There is the double standard at work again. I'm suprised all you so called "sophisticated" liberals are stooping to this level for whatever reason. Most likely to remove Bush from office. If you need to bring such absurd topics like this into the debate then you really must be desperate. It seems Neutrino is the only one of the lot who isnt willing to jump into this. He gets my respect for that.
 
seinfeldrules said:
That is a complete lie. Do you see me blaming Clinton for the bombings in Africa, how about the USS Cole. There is the double standard at work again. I'm suprised all you so called "sophisticated" liberals are stooping to this level for whatever reason. Most likely to remove Bush from office. If you need to bring such absurd topics like this into the debate then you really must be desperate.
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you mean the level that your constantly at right? :p

jus J/k :naughty:

respect for restrained thought, :rolling: great, now I know some people dont consider this a Democracey.
 
clarky003 said:
edit: wow, thats a quality rant Blahblahblah, that really got up your jacksie didnt it, :O
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More than you can imagine. There is nearly 10 times the amount of evidence for the plane crash as there is evidence against it. People who can't see the truth are stupid.
 
clarky003 said:
Planes dont break up becuae they fly fast and low, they break-up becaue they hit things strong enough to damage them. If the plane never hit the ground before it hit the pentagon, there would be no reason to think it would loose any parts before that time.

im just exploring what isnt so clear, but what you said doesnt make sense, Aircraft like 757's dont cut through denser air very well at high speed and low altitude, it would be under alot of stress , and would most likely break apart. but there's not video evidence of this so who knows.
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Sorry, but the air density at ground level is not enough to cause a plane to break up. That's just silly.
 
Oh stooping to this level, right. Seeking the possible truth for the victims and families who were affected by this tradgedy sure is a bad thing. What if the truth isn't what the government spoon fed you during all the chaos the days and weeks after 9/11, what if they had foreknowledge of the events, or what if it was an inside job? I'm not saying it is, but wouldn't it be good for the victims familys' if we answered all of the unanswered questions?
 
Innervision961 said:
Oh stooping to this level, right. Seeking the possible truth for the victims and families who were affected by this tradgedy sure is a bad thing. What if the truth isn't what the government spoon fed you during all the chaos the days and weeks after 9/11, what if they had foreknowledge of the events, or what if it was an inside job? I'm not saying it is, but wouldn't it be good for the victims familys' if we answered all of the unanswered questions?
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What unanswered questions are there?
 
that was pretty weird.

so any explination on the neat holes punched in the inner rings of the building? that seems a little weird.
 
blahblahblah said:
More than you can imagine. There is nearly 10 times the amount of evidence for the plane crash as there is evidence against it. People who can't see the truth are stupid.
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sounds like the words of a person who isnt really sure himself, more along the lines of a worried assurity.

show me clear pictures of a 757 , from any of those multiple suggested camera's, which should of caught it, then you can lay this topic to rest
 
I'm not saying it is, but wouldn't it be good for the victims familys' if we answered all of the unanswered questions?
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Ever hear of the 9/11 Commission (composed of liberals and conservatives equally)? (OHhhhhh yeah he says) I'm fairly positive they would of uncovered something as massive as what you are proposing.
 
I like how they showed some damaged pieces of metal and say "SEE!!! What are these from??!?"
And your supposed to think OMG that dosent look like a plane bit.
One would think pices of metal would be common place at a crash site...
 
seinfeldrules said:
Ever hear of the 9/11 Commission (composed of liberals and conservatives equally)? (OHhhhhh yeah he says) I'm fairly positive they would of uncovered something as massive as what you are proposing.
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Again, they get a paycheck from the government... If you robbed a store and people wanted answers would you hire a group that would actually rat on you :) Just be open minded thats all...
 
Dulrough said:
I like how they showed some damaged pieces of metal and say "SEE!!! What are these from??!?"
And your supposed to think OMG that dosent look like a plane bit.
One would think pices of metal would be common place at a crash site...
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yea that was a little bad but the rest seems fairly questionable.
 
clarky003 said:
sounds like the words of a person who isnt really sure himself, more along the lines of a worried assurity.

show me clear pictures of a 757 , from any of those multiple suggested camera's, which should of caught it, then you can lay this topic to rest
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Obviously that would be a little hard to do considering they are in possesion of the FBI. And I doubt they're worried enough about a flash cartoon to release them.

What do you want to bet that the people who came up with this idea don't have any competent education to back them up? Do you think they have aerospace enginering degrees or are qualified to examine and hypothosize about an airplane crash? Highly doubtful.

So rather than showing you the FBI videos, why don't you show me one single person who is qualified to examine airplane crashes who supports this theory that it wasn't an airplane.

I'm pretty much with BlahBlahBlah on this one, if for slightly different reasons. I think such consipracy theories are actually hurting the image of people who are against Bush. We need to focus on factual and tangible things that he has done and explain why we consider those things to be wrong. Creating unlikely conspiracy theories only undermines the position of the more mainstream liberals and democrats and I wish people would stop it.
 
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