Grab the guns while we still can

[CptStern]

I've already done the research. I just have better things to do than to spend half an hour grabbing statistics for a pointless internet debate. I just simply like to argue.

no you dont, you just like to posit your opinion and say to hell with the reprucussions

And, if I can get a few people turned towards my side, that's a plus.

by not presenting a good case? you can have those people

Quite simply put: The US is different. We have different laws, a different culture, and much MUCH more racial diversity than Sweden does. Comparing the US to Sweden is like comparing and apple to a banana, they're both fruit, but are doubtless very different.

Also, why is it that most people who are arguing for gun control are not Americans? Does no one else find this strange? Why do you guys care in Canada and Sweden?

I'm not mexican but


I am canadian

The two major sources of illicit firearms in Canada are: domestic thefts; and those smuggled from the United States.

the issue isnt exclusive to america ...you're just the most visible

at least only superficially as to why I care. it's also a universal issue like abortion, pope palpatine's uncanny resemblence to palpatine and why those christians/conservatives are just so, well, gosh-darn-it crazy. It merits discussion

 

[Ridge]

Banning games, movies, even ****ing plants are banned, wtf is that.

What has been banned? Marijuana, yeah, its stupid, its part of that pointless War on Drugs I mentioned back on Page 2...I havent heard or seen any games or movies that have been banned...

 

[Ridge]

So Stern, you bash us all day long about our weak or non-existant arguments.

Plead your case. Tell us why the US should ban all guns. And provide examples where it has worked.

 

[CptStern]

? what have I been doing up to now? whistling dixie? .............or is it whittling dixie? wilted dixie?

 

[Ridge]

In a single post comprise your argument.

 

[CptStern]

sorry I dont do requests ..I have 30,000 + posts I'm sure there's tons of stuff on guns ...knock yourself out

 

[Ridge]

So, basically, you cannot form a concise argument to support your cause? Go on back to Mary Jane there, buddy...i'll be at the range.

 

[CptStern]

So, basically, you cannot form a concise argument to support your cause?

what are you, a freakin idiot? are you really that dense that you need someone's pov summerised in a single sentence despite the fact we've been debating the very issue for pages now? sheesh, talk about being unreasonable

Go on back to Mary Jane there, buddy...i'll be at the range.

what does that even mean? I'm avoiding the issue? you've been avoiding my points from the get go, why the hell should I fulfil your request when you wont even consider what I've written? so you can ignore huge chunks of it and cherry pick what you can answer? which is usually off topic and or irrelevant to the discussion at hand?


my stance on the issue is pretty clear, I shouldnt have to spell it out for you, especially when I have on more than one occasion

 

[Ridge]

Gotcha. Europeans and Canadians think the US should get rid of its guns. Americans do not. They are in the wrong, and should bend to the will of the world, because that is how we got to be the single most powerful nation on the planet. Along those lines;
Europeans and Canadians like Obama and his policies, and Americans who dont are clearly racist.

Did I miss anything?

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Europeans and Canadians like Obama and his policies, and Americans who dont are clearly racist.

What the ****, where the hell did that one come from?

 

[Ridge]

Every other thread in this forum...

 

[CptStern]

Gotcha. Europeans and Canadians think the US should get rid of its guns. Americans do not. They are in the wrong, and should bend to the will of the world, because that is how we got to be the single most powerful nation on the planet. Along those lines;
Europeans and Canadians like Obama and his policies, and Americans who dont are clearly racist.

Did I miss anything?

I now know that I should probably stop replying to your posts ..you dont understand a word of what I say so what's the point? really could you have simplified it any further? what's next? crayon drawings and sock puppets?

 

[Ridge]

Sock puppets suck...shadow puppets are where the action is...

 

[justin.walters01]

I'd like to get something straight here. I bet you think I am a fat, gun toting redneck who lives in Alabama don't you? Well, I have something to tell you. I'm actually an 18 year old college student who goes to Northern Arizona University. I am a libertarian. I love the outdoors and am very concerned with the environment. Now how could I still hold the opinion against more regulations on guns living in such a liberal environment you ask. The reason is because I make up my own mind based on my own principles and my own research. I think the way I do. I think that you are wrong, and I am right. You are not going to change that regardless of any argument you have previously presented. All of your posts are filled to the brim with personal attacks and barely any non biased information. I don't know if it is your fault, but you seem to be very misinformed. I doubt you'll be able to change my mind, but if you come up with an unbiased and concise argument well supported by evidence and devoid of personal attacks, I may actually listen to you cpt stern.

 

[xcellerate]

I'd like to get something straight here. I bet you think I am a fat, gun toting redneck who lives in Alabama don't you?

Some of us are gun toting rednecks who live in alabama so you better watch who you're stereotyping.

 

[Jintor]

So Stern, you bash us all day long about our weak or non-existant arguments.

Plead your case. Tell us why the US should ban all guns. And provide examples where it has worked.

You can't ban all guns. That's ridiculous.

What you can do is heavily regulate them.

Say, Australia, circa Port Arthur Massacres.

Dunno if it would work in America what with this attitude problem everybody seems to have.

 

[Ridge]

Yeah, god forbid we throw a fit when liberals decide that we should just throw out the words of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and the others who made this country...

 

[AJ Rimmer]

Yeah, god forbid we throw a fit when liberals decide that we should just throw out the words of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and the others who made this country...

The people who made your country were creatures of their environments and time, like all human beings, they were flawed, they couldn't predict the future, why do you cling on to the words of these people as if it was dogmatic law?

 

[justin.walters01]

Some of us are gun toting rednecks who live in alabama so you better watch who you're stereotyping.

Sorry. I didn't mean offense. I was just trying to make a point. No offense intended.

 

[Jintor]

Yeah, god forbid we throw a fit when liberals decide that we should just throw out the words of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and the others who made this country...

Just because it's old and it comes from great men does not make it automatically relevant to our times.

 

[Tagaziel]

Yeah, god forbid we throw a fit when liberals decide that we should just throw out the words of Jefferson, Washington, Franklin and the others who made this country...

232 years ago.

The world has changed since then, substantially. So get off your knees and stop sucking the rotten cock of a bunch of carcasses and start growing up.

 

[Jintor]

You guys need to stop personal attacking him, they're using it as a shield to cover their ears and go LAH LAH LAH I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS and ignore the rest of anything we say.

Of course they'd do that anyway but I digress.

 

[Kase]

Guns are For Soldiers not for everyday people when you have to fight in a war then you can have a gun thank you and goodnight.

 

[xcellerate]

Guns are For Soldiers not for everyday people when you have to fight in a war then you can have a gun thank you and goodnight.

then cars are for people who only use them for utility; nobody is allowed to use them for racing, drifting, off-roading, or anything that doesn't involve accomplishing something (and having fun is not accomplishing something), because that's what cars were invented for...not for people to drive in circles 500 times and risk killing people.

 

[Navaha]

Guns are For Soldiers not for everyday people when you have to fight in a war then you can have a gun thank you and goodnight.

I'm all for gun control, but you're a little extreme. Handguns, shotguns, and hunting rifles are fine for civilians to own for hunting, target practice, or home defense. Assault rifles, on the other hand, are really only good for killing people, and probably should be kept out of civilian hands for everyone's safety. I mean, they don't even give cops (with the exceptiong of SWAT) automatic weapons, if a bunch of anti-government crazies got some assault rifles, it would be chaos.

TL;DR version:

Handguns, shotguns, or hunting rifles = Fine.
Assault rifles = Bad.

And don't even get me STARTED on RPGs...

 

[justin.walters01]

I'm all for gun control, but you're a little extreme. Handguns, shotguns, and hunting rifles are fine for civilians to own for hunting, target practice, or home defense. Assault rifles, on the other hand, are really only good for killing people, and probably should be kept out of civilian hands for everyone's safety. I mean, they don't even give cops (with the exceptiong of SWAT) automatic weapons, if a bunch of anti-government crazies got some assault rifles, it would be chaos.

TL;DR version:

Handguns, shotguns, or hunting rifles = Fine.
Assault rifles = Bad.

And don't even get me STARTED on RPGs...

Are you OK with semi-automatic assault rifles? Because that's all you're allowed to buy unless the weapon was made before 1984. My friend owns an AR-15 and I think it would be perfect for deer hunting.

 

[V-Man339]

This sort of thing is why I avoid the politics thread as much as possible...

 

[Navaha]

Are you OK with semi-automatic assault rifles?

Sorry, not a huge expert on guns. I'll do some research and get back to you, rather than make an ignorant comment.

Okay, from what I read, a semi-auto still fires one shot per trigger pull, so I guess I'm okay with that.

Unless I'm confused. That happens a lot. :bounce:

 

[jverne]

My friend owns an AR-15 and I think it would be perfect for deer hunting.

ahaha...ahahah.....ahahahahahah...ahah

you're a real comedian you know that?
ever heard of the term hunting rifle? i sure didn't hear hunting assault rifle.




edit: unless of course the deer is wearing Kevlar armor

 

[Emporius]

ahaha...ahahah.....ahahahahahah...ahah

you're a real comedian you know that?
ever heard of the term hunting rifle? i sure didn't hear hunting assault rifle.




edit: unless of course the deer is wearing Kevlar armor

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=-c8stoUN2x4

 

[xcellerate]

-Thousands of hunters hunt with handguns, the s&w 500 is a hunting handgun. They also make revolver scopes for hunting and collapsible mono pods to support the revolver.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/smith_500_10.jpg

yea I know they're just trying to be funny, but they end up being stupid. They get their first 'fact' wrong and then they make up the next two...fail.

 

[Ridge]

The people who made your country were creatures of their environments and time, like all human beings, they were flawed, they couldn't predict the future, why do you cling on to the words of these people as if it was dogmatic law?

Why does all of western civilization still follow the Magna Carta? Its hundreds of years old...

-Thousands of hunters hunt with handguns, the s&w 500 is a hunting handgun. They also make revolver scopes for hunting and collapsible mono pods to support the revolver.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/smith_500_10.jpg

yea I know they're just trying to be funny, but they end up being stupid. They get their first 'fact' wrong and then they make up the next two...fail.

If I recall, when Obama was trying to appeal to gun owners, he went duck hunting with a 6 shot revolver...

 

[Jintor]

Why does all of western civilization still follow the Magna Carta? Its hundreds of years old...

Because it's kind of relevant today.

I don't think you're getting this.

In anycase, while English Common Law is based of the Magna Carta it is superceded by more recent documents or legislations that guarantee freedoms.

 

[Ridge]

And what makes it different from the Constitution?

 

[justin.walters01]

ahaha...ahahah.....ahahahahahah...ahah

you're a real comedian you know that?
ever heard of the term hunting rifle? i sure didn't hear hunting assault rifle.




edit: unless of course the deer is wearing Kevlar armor

I don't think you know enough about guns to be saying this. There are many different types of assault rifles in many different calibers. Only armor piercing ammunition can pierce bullet proof vests. Armor piercing ammunition comes in almost every caliber. You can get armor piercing ammunition for your hunting rifle. The gun a bullet is fired from has nothing to do with it's armor piercing capabilities. The only thing that has to do with the power of a firearm is it's caliber and type of bullet. My friend's AR-15 fires 5.56(.223) ammunition which is very fast and accurate round. The round comes in many different styles. You can get tracers, hollow points, and ball rounds for instance. Ball rounds would be perfect for hunting deer. All in all, it depends on your weapon preference. Just because it is an assault rifle, doesn't make it any more dangerous than a hunting rifle.

 

[Jintor]

And what makes it different from the Constitution?

Age =/= flaws.

Flaws = irrelevance to today.

Magna Carta = still relevant to today.

Sections of the Constitution = may or may not be irrelevant to today.

 

[jverne]

I don't think you know enough about guns to be saying this. There are many different types of assault rifles in many different calibers. Only armor piercing ammunition can pierce bullet proof vests. Armor piercing ammunition comes in almost every caliber. You can get armor piercing ammunition for your hunting rifle. The gun a bullet is fired from has nothing to do with it's armor piercing capabilities. The only thing that has to do with the power of a firearm is it's caliber and type of bullet. My friend's AR-15 fires 5.56(.223) ammunition which is very fast and accurate round. The round comes in many different styles. You can get tracers, hollow points, and ball rounds for instance. Ball rounds would be perfect for hunting deer. All in all, it depends on your weapon preference. Just because it is an assault rifle, doesn't make it any more dangerous than a hunting rifle.

actually i never talked about armor piercing rounds.

the issue is that for hunting one shoot should be enough, having semi auto guns to do repeated shots if the animal is running away is just inhumane. a repeated shot is considered when the animal is not scared away and you have another chance to hit the vital area.

a standard scoped rifle is the best choice here...don't see where the advantages of a assault rifle come in?

 

[justin.walters01]

actually i never talked about armor piercing rounds.

the issue is that for hunting one shoot should be enough, having semi auto guns to do repeated shots if the animal is running away is just inhumane. a repeated shot is considered when the animal is not scared away and you have another chance to hit the vital area.

a standard scoped rifle is the best choice here...don't see where the advantages of a assault rifle come in?

There aren't any advantages of an assault rifle, it's just a personal choice. And you did talk a bout armor piercing rounds because you said "Unless that deer is wearing kevlar". Only armor piercing rounds can pierce body armor. Also, what if you shoot an animal but it doesn't die? Let's say it runs away and bleeds to death. I'd rather have another shot to end it's life without as much suffering, and a bolt action rifle is simply just not fast enough to do that accurately. Also, you can put a scope on any rifle. I suggest that you do some research before you come into this thread talking about something you obviously know nothing about. I do not mean that as insulting in any way.

 

[CptStern]

I'd like to get something straight here. I bet you think I am a fat, gun toting redneck who lives in Alabama don't you? Well, I have something to tell you. I'm actually an 18 year old college student who goes to Northern Arizona University. I am a libertarian. I love the outdoors and am very concerned with the environment.

that's nice

Now how could I still hold the opinion against more regulations on guns living in such a liberal environment you ask.

cant say I've lost any sleep over it but go ahead, knock yourself out

The reason is because I make up my own mind based on my own principles and my own research. I think the way I do. I think that you are wrong, and I am right.

even if the facts disagree with you ..there's a term for people like that ....

You are not going to change that regardless of any argument you have previously presented.

says more about you then it does me, no? you dont like facts, we get it

All of your posts are filled to the brim with personal attacks

point out where I've made a personal attack to you personally. You joined this site in the last 13 days, why would you care if I attack other people

and barely any non biased information.

hey I got you to admit there's at least some unbiased information ..I guess that "barely" unbiased information was all of the reports I posted from the fbi crime files ..because I cant think of why the fbi stats would be at all biased ..perhaps you're thinking reality itself is biased because unless you're living in some imaginary la-la land logic is without bias. Also funny how if they're so biased why dont you refute these facts? it should easy, right?

I don't know if it is your fault, but you seem to be very misinformed.

where exactly? post the exact post where I'm "misinformed" and I'll further clarify it. you can present your facts and I can dismiss them with my own ...simply saying I'm "misinformed" without evidence is like farting in the wind

I doubt you'll be able to change my mind, but if you come up with an unbiased and concise argument well supported by evidence and devoid of personal attacks, I may actually listen to you cpt stern.

go back through this thread, present which of my facts are biased or "unconcise" and I'll do my best to rip your argument to shreds ... deal?

 

[G(ordon)-man]

In here (Estonia), the only way to obtain legal gun is to join the army or pass series of tests, medical and emotional. You know, to determine that are you a mass-murderer or no. Then you must take 1 month of gun practice and after that you can finally obtain gun for high price. Sounds right for me.