Half life 2 vs Deus ex 2

[Dagobert]

Sniper - would you compare a car built by GM and one by Ferrari?

There are distinct differences in development budget, time and talent between developers occasionally. Most gamers (even hardcore ones) don't acknowledge this, but it's a real fact of game development.

What is sad is that publishers don't sell cheaply made games cheaper. So we tend to judge them the same.

 

[ZQW]

Originally posted by Dagobert
1. Deus Ex's team is smaller
2. They have more less experienced, lower paid staff
3. They have had 3 years (less if you consider the PS2 port of DE1)
4. They are owned by a financially weak publsher (Eidos), and have significantly less money and are held to a strict milestone schedule
5. See above
6. Licensed tech from Epic.

You simply cannot under any circumstances expect the level of polish and quality of content in a game like Deus Ex 2 as you can HL2.

Ion Strom is established by John Romero.
Ion Strom has Warron Spector.
Ion Strom also has lots of talents.
They did a great job already,to develope Deus Ex.

Ion Strom is not that bad though this time the studios diappoint us.

 

[Dagobert]

I'm sorry, Ion Storm do not have the money, time or flexibility to compare them. You obvisouly don't understand game development very well.

Ion Strom is not that bad though this time the studios diappoint us.

There is always a developmental reason for creating a poor game. They don't happen by accident. Sometimes it's lack of money, sometimes it's lack of time, sometimes it's lack of talent, sometimes it's lack of good management.

Im sure Ion Storm staff would say that some of those reasons are the reason for the screwups in DE2.

 

[ZQW]

I still hope their next project-Thief3 will be good.

 

[iamironsam]

Originally posted by Grimresfa
Get a life jack ass, i will pit them together if I want to. Its not like there is anything else to talk about any way.

I could compare an Ford Pinto to an Aston Martin in the Aston Martin Forum if I wanted to, but why the **** would I want to do that? Anyways, there's been a ton of discussion about Deus Ex 2 by itself in the General Off-Topic Chat section. Stupid Headcrab thread starters...

 

[iamironsam]

Originally posted by Comreak
The graphics in the original DX were pretty bad as well but that's not why people played it. They played it for the open ended gameplay. They played it because you weren't restricted by the developers idea of how you should be playing their game. Graphics aren't the only point of comparison.

I understand that, but that's all we really have to compare right now because there isn't a Half Life 2 demo yet. We do have a Deus Ex 2 demo that was absolutely abysmal in my opinion. You aren't restricted to taking the pacifist route, but once everyone realizes how terrible the firefights are, that's the only way anyone will want to play this game. I consider the fighting in this game utterly unplayable.

 

[Dagobert]

Why don't you compare it to the award-winning original? It isn't that different.

 

[iamironsam]

Originally posted by Dagobert
Why don't you compare it to the award-winning original? It isn't that different.

Yes, comparing the Deus Ex 2 demo to Half Life 1 would be a much better comparison.

 

[HybridM]

wait until both the games are out then compare them. I think it is fair to compare the graphics of the games, but not the gameplay.

 

[Dagobert]

I think it is fair to compare the graphics of the games, but not the gameplay.

Why? One is an internally developed engine, in dev for 5 years and custom built for the game (Source) and for PC. The other is a third-party solution, Ion Storm have had it for 3 years and it's a general case solution for lot's of different games and also for Xbox.

If you can compare both engines in this way, then why didn't Valve build HL2 in the Unreal engine instead of investing millions in Source?

Also - from a non-developmental position, Deus Ex 2 is a unified volumetric light engine and Source uses pre-calculated lighting for the landscape's self-shadowing.

 

[HybridM]

We have two games whom both share a common narrative style, that is grounds for comparison.

The fact that different routes have been taken to arrive at the final look of the game is exactly why they SHOULD be compared, you can't compare things that are identical!

 

[iamironsam]

Originally posted by Dagobert
...Deus Ex 2 is a unified volumetric light engine...

That seems to kill the framerate on even the beefiest of systems.

 

[Shaihalud9]

First off, yes, lets all be fanboys. I doubt any one of you can objectively compare the two games. Second, Ion Storm has stated on their official forums that they toned down Localized damage so they could prolong and showcase firefights. As for the graphics, why do I have none of these problems you guys do? I think the models look great, and I dont see these "square" doorknobs, and everything else is looking good. Are you guys playing with the graphic settings on low?

As for halflife 2, all you guys have seen are movies, and as brought up in the past.. certain points of these movies have been edited to showcase certain features in HL2 too. You cannot compared a modified-from-gold-retail demo to a bunch of movies that you arent sure if they themselves have been modified.

A few people have stated that graphics dont make the game, I agree. Deus Ex 1 was an excellent game, the conspiracy theories and open ended aspect of gameplay was superb, it wasnt made GOTY by several review sites and magazines for being a crappy game. Half Life isnt the end-all be-all of games. We havent played Half Life 2, we dont know if it's the end-all be-all of games to come either. For all we know, HL2 will be a pretty game with crappy controls and story, it may be a flop. We dont know, because no one has played it.

And I thought alot of you were smarter than to get bogged down by fanboyism.

 

[MultiVaC]

So just because we think IW sucks that makes us fanboys? The problems go a lot deeper than just the locational damage. The whole game has been dumbed down. For example, take the hacking. Instead of actually having to do something, you just hit use and it hacks itself. The entire interface is all screwy and doesn't make any sense. The AI just stands and shoots. The no reloading and one ammo type is stupid. It is simply not fun. Oh, and yeah, I am playing on low graphics settings because the game runs like crap.

 

[iamironsam]

I'm not even trying compare IW to HL2, I'm just stating that from what I've played of the IW demo, the game looks and plays awefully. It's a real let down for me cause I liked the original DE. It's too bad IW turned out to be a console travesty.

P.S. If you haven't seen the 6 polygon doorknobs, you haven't been paying attention to the graphics at all.

 

[MiG]

Originally posted by Kschreck
If Deus Es is as good as Half-Life 2 then I am not buying Half-Life 2. Deus Ex was one of the worst games I have played in a while (IMO). Want a game thats good, BUY "Chaser" that is one of the few games that I believe can compete with Half-Life 2 (IMO) Good Story, graphics, music, gameplay, ETC.

Deus Ex, is one of the best games ever. Beated only by Half Life.
Chaser, people didn't give a second glance at. It was an awful game. Awful, rubbish fps that anyone whos played any fps since quake has seen a million times before.
Good Story? Deus Ex has one of the best story's in games ever. No not the stupid conspiracy theroy rubbish that was the plot. But the way that everybody who played through it had a different experience, while still following a well designed and structured game.
Btw why does everybody keep on using the term gameplay? What is "gameplay"?
People can say that a game is well designed from concept, or the level design is brilliant, the dynamic (say CTF) is fun and interesting, the game is interactive and really immersive. But doesn't anybody think gameplay is too general a term?

 

[$niper]

Originally posted by HybridM
We have two games whom both share a common narrative style, that is grounds for comparison.

The fact that different routes have been taken to arrive at the final look of the game is exactly why they SHOULD be compared, you can't compare things that are identical!

That's a very good point.

 

[Gorgon]

Do you see my sig, read my sig please and you will get my answer.

HL2 :sniper: DeusEx2

 

[Menelaos]

Of course HL2 will be better than Deus Ex 2, but that doesn't mean DX2 won't be a good game, if it's as good as DX1 was, it should be fine. But yeah HL2>DX2.
EDIT: cool, I'm a zombie finally.

 

[Subz]

deus ex 2 has been XBOX'd and therefore will not be better than halflife2.

however i regaurd dx1 as a muuuch better game than halflife1. (SP)

 

[Grimresfa]

Originally posted by iamironsam
I could compare an Ford Pinto to an Aston Martin in the Aston Martin Forum if I wanted to, but why the **** would I want to do that? Anyways, there's been a ton of discussion about Deus Ex 2 by itself in the General Off-Topic Chat section. Stupid Headcrab thread starters...

Well first of all i have been here 3 months longer than you and second of all if you don't want to see the comparison DONT READ IT!

You see in a forum people post, and GOD FORBID! they might post something that you don't feel like talking about.... but there is this really cool solution, dont discuss it!

 

[Sparta]

I'd try to compare the two games if i could even PLAY either of them

I spent all of yesterdat downloading Deus Ex 2 in anticipation and as i installed it today everything goes fine, i start up the game and go into the main menu, see that the menu is running dodgy so i try to adjust the graphics in the graphics menu

I click the slider, the menu pops up, i change resolution to 1024x768 and by this time i just figure that it should run fine ingame, its probably just a bug in the menu or something, heck knows.

I press escape to get backto the main menu and the game freezes, i reset, play game, freezes again. I go on the Eidos Forums read all the stuff about modding the default.ini file to make the game WORK, do everything they say, run game, start game. Yay im happy, thank god it works...........Game freezes...

Deus Ex is one of my favourite games, beats Half Life in my opinion (not Opposing Force though) but Deus Ex 2 is ****ed up on PC, i think i'll get it on Xbox instead. That way, it may look dodgy, but at least it will freakin work, and run good. Ah well......

To sum up my feelings about the "Next-Gen" games so far

Deus Ex 2: Delay the game and fix the bugs...Screw the Xbox version make it for PC only

Half Life 2: I'm still anxiously waiting for it...But the lack of media is killing my anticipation

Doom 3: Looks awesome.....but for some reason i don't care about it as much as either of the above games. Probably because the above games have actual story-lines compared to the Doom Series. And i couldn't give a shit about shadows because........really........whats there to look at? Not much....just a shadow....a silhoutte.... adds to the atmosphere for sure but, and im sure you could use LOTS and LOTS of effects with lights and everything, with dynamic lighting and all, but really I can only think of 2 ways that would be useful. In Stealth games like Splinter Cell, and scary games, ala Doom 3, besides, does anyone know if Doom 3 can handle open areas? Big open areas like something from Half Life 2?

Stalker: Good Graphics, Gameplay looks boring. I'll play the demo but chances are i wont get the full version when it comes out, because after all the screenshots i've seen, i think the only reason they are making the game is to show off the engine

Far Cry: Good Graphics..............haven't seen enough of it to form an opinion.......But it looks like a Tropical Serious Sam.....but with vehicles. Once again. I haven't seen any movies for this game, so feel free to correct me. I heard its done by one of the guys who made de_Aztec for counter-strike. Is that true? Because if it is, the multiplayer will be awesome

Battlefield Vietnam: looks like Battlefield 1942 all over again. I just hope there's AI in this game. Unlike the single campaign where the AI just runs around with grenades trying to blow up tanks. You can take out 20 of them with a knife before 1 even notices.


I think thats all of them now so........yeah

 

[StickFigs]

They ruined Deus Ex series by making it a console game also, they had to tear out its guts and make it suck eggs so PC game would amount to Console. I'm sickened by demo, Deus Ex 1 was one of the greatest games ever and they RUINED it, your not even JC denton anymore!

 

[Styloid]

The way I see it, everybody(realistically) agrees that, as a game, Deus Ex 2 is just not as polished compared to, say, Max Payne 2. This means control (which seems okay on my computer though I've heard otherwise), graphics (not bad, not great), weapons, HUD, AI, etc... =pretty mediocre. But doesn't anyone think that the content in this game must be phenomenal? Just in the demo there was some neat stuff, Warren Spector had loads of extra material he wanted but couldn't fit in DX1 and looking back on previous projects (DX1, Thief, SS), I think they are more than up to the task.
On another subject: HL2 does not resemble DX2 much at all. Their philosophies are completely different. Valve are doing a mostly linear but meticulously crafted experience where storytelling is above all else while Ion Storm is going for non-linear experience but loaded with tonnes of content like characters, background information, subplots, etc. and player freedom is above all else. Then there's the different styles that either side use in their type of game or the type of gameplay...

 

[Zeus]

Of course everyone's going to say Half-Life 2. They haven't played a demo to see any flaws, and are on a Halflife2 video game forum. The answers are going to be about 98% biased in halflife's favor. I say HL2 is a better game, but go to a DX2 forum, I guarentee they will say DX2.

 

[MultiVaC]

Originally posted by Zeus
Of course everyone's going to say Half-Life 2. They haven't played a demo to see any flaws, and are on a Halflife2 video game forum. The answers are going to be about 98% biased in halflife's favor. I say HL2 is a better game, but go to a DX2 forum, I guarentee they will say DX2.

I'm not too sure about that, most Deus Ex 2 fans have ditched it because the demo sucked so much.

 

[Shaihalud9]

The hacking in the demo is quick and easy because the devs gave the player a max-level hacking aug. I think its unfair to gauge a game off of a modified demo against an unreleased game that no one has played.

 

[Shaihalud9]

By the way, bashing a game doesnt make you a fanboy. Bashing a game based on a modified (& Non-gold) demo, and not a full version, and comparing it to the propaganda you hear from developers, and movies and screenshots for a game that hasnt even been released DOES make you a fanboy.

Review both games when they come out, and then feel free to bash til you turn blue. Until then, give both games the benefit of the doubt. We dont know that Half Life 2 will be the best game ever, nor do we know that Deus Ex 2 will suck. Im not trying to stir people up and insult everyone, but c'mon.. cant we be a bit more objective?

 

[MultiVaC]

Demos are meant to impress people. They are "developer propaganda" as you say. They are supposed to show off the least flawed part of the game so people will buy it. Why would would you put in breakdancing corpses, useless headshots, stupid AI and an overall suckiness in what is essentially an advertisement for your game? And don't say the story will redeem it, because a story with bad gameplay might as well be one of those choose-your-own-adventure paperback books.

 

[ZQW]

Originally posted by MiG
Deus Ex, is one of the best games ever. Beated only by Half Life.

same here

 

[$niper]

I'd have to say Deus Ex and Half-Life were on the same level.

Deus Ex had a much better story than Half-Life, and Half-Life had much better everything else.

Apart from the AI, in many respects, Deus Ex's monster AI had a lot of things over Half-Life's. They could jump to locations, sweep areas, investigate sounds, you could hide from them and they wouldn't cheat to know exactly where you were, they could flank you and kick your ass.

 

[Chump]

Alright first post.

This is rediculous.

DX2 (Im assuming from DX1) is a game based on a sequence of events in which the gamer has no control over. With in this main storyline the gamer must make moral decisions and choose sides to make the main story line unique an origonal every time it is played (unless you played it doin the exact same thing.)

HL2 Is a storyline in which the player moves through without controlling it what-so-ever and the main point is to survive.

JUST BECAUSE I TYPED MORE FOR DX2 DOES NOT MEAN I AM SAYING IT WILL BE BETTER!

what im saying is that the main attraction of DX2 is how you go about the story line. (If you played DX youd know that its more fun than it sounds.)

Story is not the main attraction of HL2. Yes its a big part, but the main draw of HL2 will be the action, physics, awsomeness or however you think "game play" will be.

The main appeal to "game play" in DX2 (at least in my mind) is not the shooting sequences, which no doubt they will be more fun than in the Demo.(why? more weapons and different settings) No. The most fun part of "game play" in DX2 is being able to create a character that can throw any object of any size, Jump 30 feet and land without breaking limbs, all those biomods which it seems alot of ppl are forgetting. The different ways to approach things in the game is huge too.

So in the Demo they cannot make it so that it gives away any huge bits of storyline, which is the main draw. They cant make it long enough to provide tons of weapon mods, or biomods, which is the best part of the "game play". So many really great things about the game will be left out.

As for HL2 (or at least it seams for most of you) Put me on a map, gimme some weapons, throw some combine in, Lets start shootin! This should be fun. Mind you an HL2 demo also probly wont include much story line, but it would have the main attraction which is survival and shooting the crap out of things.

With that said, we'll just have to wait and see. HL2 will probly be better, but who knows, we havnt seen the substance of either game, unless your "friend stole the Beta" and you just happened to have played it (alot)

 

[ZQW]

Originally posted by $niper
I'd have to say Deus Ex and Half-Life were on the same level.

Deus Ex had a much better story than Half-Life, and Half-Life had much better everything else.

Apart from the AI, in many respects, Deus Ex's monster AI had a lot of things over Half-Life's. They could jump to locations, sweep areas, investigate sounds, you could hide from them and they wouldn't cheat to know exactly where you were, they could flank you and kick your ass.

Deus Ex came out years later after Half-Life. So you can not simply compare the graphics,the AI,ETC.

 

[$niper]

Originally posted by ZQW
Deus Ex came out years later after Half-Life. So you can not simply compare the graphics,the AI,ETC.

I just did.

 

[InsertNameHere]

Half-Life 2 and Deus Ex: The Invisible War are two completely different types of games. HL-2 is a basic balls-to-the-wall FPS where all you do is run and gun. DX:IW has more stealth, strategy, and RPG-like management. Both will be great fun, but it's like comparing apples and oranges.

I think it's worth mentioning that I used the barrels in the DX:IW demo to trap Sophia Sak in her office, Traptown-style. It worked like a charm :bounce:.

Max Payne 2 uses the Havok 2 engine, same as HL2, and has the best graphics to date, IMO. Definitely worth checking out, especially considering the addictive gameplay and incredible story.

 

[spitcodfry]

Originally posted by InsertNameHere
HL-2 is a basic balls-to-the-wall FPS where all you do is run and gun.

Basic??!! You think Half-Life 2 is basic?! BLASHPHEMER! May Ifrit's hellfire find you! Naw jk.

Really though, Half-Life 2 imo has only competition from two other fps in terms of originality and what it'll do for the genre: Far Cry and STALKER. I included Far Cry because of its engine's awesome draw distance abilities, and the squad AI network functioning across the entire island in real time. For STALKER, I believe its dynamic schedule and placement for the other stalkers in the game world will create a unique experience for everyone who plays it.

 

[poseyjmac]

every fps is going to be run and gun. would you rather have walk and not gun?

 

[HybridM]

I want a pool-side simulator! NO RUNNING!!

 

[iamaelephant]

Chump that is simply the most intelligent post I have ever seen on this board, ever. See, n00bs are good for something! :cheese:

 

[Stryyder]

Re: Half life 2 vs Deus ex

Originally posted by Grimresfa
I downloaded the deus ex 2 demo thinking oh yay! this is going to be so cool. ...the reason i am vs it against hl2 is the graphics are around par of hl2 and then general game play seems to be there to.
. :\

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You sir are a flame baiting moron, If you think Deus Ex II looks graphically anything like HL2.

The textures suck, it is to dark, the lighting is ok, their are no expansive areas and the character models all like like complete crap. That is just my 30 second observation I also think you should know that all the DXII fans are blasting the demo as a POS on the EIDOS websiter right now.